Facts are facts - Kiffin is running off the talent

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Duckhook

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With the most recent losses, the Vols now have a grand total of 18 players currently on-campus who were 4-star or 5-star recruits. Of the 9 that have left so far, EIGHT of them fit this criteria, as well...say what you want, that is a serious loss of talent for a roster thin on it. 11 of the incoming recruits will help this, but will only bring the number to 29. Worse, of the 18 elite players on campus today, 9 are SRs and Eric Berry makes 10 who will be leaving after 2009, meaning the staff will have to have a banner year in the 2010 class to really make an improvement. Don't bother arguing that stars don't matter, because all of the best players are included in these 18 (Berry, Hardesty, Jones, McCoy, McClendon, Brown, Crompton, etc).

There are some elite players in spots, but they are surrounded by very average to below-avg talent around them. This would have been the value of the players who have now left in the coming seasons. Plus, the fact that Bama, LSU, Fla, and UGA all have over 40 already on campus, and will have around 60 come fall, tells you why UT can't compete right now.

The point is that there will be little to zero talent in the upperclasses during the 2010 and 2011 seasons. That doesn't bode well for turning things around in those years, considering all 4 of the teams listed above are on the schedule each of those years. If you're one of the ones praising LK for these moves today, don't be caught at the front of the mob wanting to run him off after 3 mediocre seasons.

Just the facts. It won't be pretty for the next few years.:hmm:
 
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I disagree. We have a lot of soft players. Doesn't matter how good you are when that's the case.
 
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Duckhook said:
With the most recent losses, the Vols now have a grand total of 18 players currently on-campus who were 4-star or 5-star recruits. Of the 9 that have left so far, EIGHT of them fit this criteria, as well...say what you want, that is a serious loss of talent for a roster thin on it. 11 of the incoming recruits will help this, but will only bring the number to 29. Worse, of the 18 elite players on campus today, 9 are SRs and Eric Berry makes 10 who will be leaving after 2009, meaning the staff will have to have a banner year in the 2010 class to really make an improvement. Don't bother arguing that stars don't matter, because all of the best players are included in these 18 (Berry, Hardesty, Jones, McCoy, McClendon, Brown, Crompton, etc).

There are some elite players in spots, but they are surrounded by very average to below-avg talent around them. This would have been the value of the players who have now left in the coming seasons. Plus, the fact that Bama, LSU, Fla, and UGA all have over 40 already on campus, and will have around 60 come fall, tells you why UT can't compete right now.

The point is that there will be little to zero talent in the upperclasses during the 2010 and 2011 seasons. That doesn't bode well for turning things around in those years, considering all 4 of the teams listed above are on the schedule each of those years. If you're one of the ones praising LK for these moves today, don't be caught at the front of the mob wanting to run him off after 3 mediocre seasons.

Just the facts. It won't be pretty for the next few years.:hmm:
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:cray: If they are too whiny to be on the team then good riddance.
 
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It's not like all of them were going to see serious playing time. Morely was the only starter, he is replacable. It was debatable whether Creer would see the field, especially with BB and DO coming in. I don't think we would have seen many of the others anyways. I don't see a big deal in it.
 
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Get over it. These guys felt they were bigger than the team. And tell that to Utah, I guess they have no talent either since they have few 4 or 5 star guys.
 
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The last one, BJ Coleman, was just being a spoiled brat. He played well in the OW game. He may have very well won the starting job but he wanted an answer NOW and Kiffin said all along that the BEST players would be on the field. BJ should have just waited his turn and his chance would have come. Some of the others that left, well, good riddance. If they can't handle practices we sure as hell don't need them.
 
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We have had more 5* bust than booms in the past 5 years. Kiffin needs players who believe in what he is doing to succeed. Let the man earn his pay. BTW, we aren't going to win more than 8 games next season and that's the ceiling.
 
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I'll take heart, desire, work ethic and coach ability over stars any day. Also your reference to upperclassman sounds like it came straight from Coach Fulmer's mouth. Obviously you missed what other teams did this past year with UNDERCLASSMEN. Ever heard of Florida and Alabama?
 
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Which of these guys not named Demetrice Morley have done anything? And I'd like to point out I never thought much of Morley's ability and I think he'd probably be close to getting the boot even if Phil were still here.
 
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I love how some "fans" state that we aren't going to win more than 8 games next year. How about lets actually play the games before we say that?
 
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If they had so much talent, why did we have a losing season the last 2 out of three years. It wouldn't all the coaches fault!
 
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Duckhook said:
With the most recent losses, the Vols now have a grand total of 18 players currently on-campus who were 4-star or 5-star recruits. Of the 9 that have left so far, EIGHT of them fit this criteria, as well...say what you want, that is a serious loss of talent for a roster thin on it. 11 of the incoming recruits will help this, but will only bring the number to 29. Worse, of the 18 elite players on campus today, 9 are SRs and Eric Berry makes 10 who will be leaving after 2009, meaning the staff will have to have a banner year in the 2010 class to really make an improvement. Don't bother arguing that stars don't matter, because all of the best players are included in these 18 (Berry, Hardesty, Jones, McCoy, McClendon, Brown, Crompton, etc).

There are some elite players in spots, but they are surrounded by very average to below-avg talent around them. This would have been the value of the players who have now left in the coming seasons. Plus, the fact that Bama, LSU, Fla, and UGA all have over 40 already on campus, and will have around 60 come fall, tells you why UT can't compete right now.

The point is that there will be little to zero talent in the upperclasses during the 2010 and 2011 seasons. That doesn't bode well for turning things around in those years, considering all 4 of the teams listed above are on the schedule each of those years. If you're one of the ones praising LK for these moves today, don't be caught at the front of the mob wanting to run him off after 3 mediocre seasons.

Just the facts. It won't be pretty for the next few years.:hmm:
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Yeah, because actually coaching the players you have has nothing to do with winning. We'll all see soon enough.
 
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DOCTORLOOMIS said:
I love how some "fans" state that we aren't going to win more than 8 games next year. How about lets actually play the games before we say that?
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We don't have all the talent we need yet, so 8 games will be our ceiling, IMO. If people expect more, then Kiffin's head will be on a stick by the end of this year.
 
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You won't have any trouble selling your tickets. Put everything orange in a yard sell, then you won't worry so much. Chicken little
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
We don't have all the talent we need yet, so 8 games will be our ceiling, IMO. If people expect more, then Kiffin's head will be on a stick by the end of this year.
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IMO, there are two "guaranteed" losses. I think the rest of the games are certainly winnable. I still think the ceiling is 10 games, but more than likely we'll win 8 games +/- 1. This schedule just isn't that bad.
 
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Sudeepvol said:
IMO, there are two "guaranteed" losses. I think the rest of the games are certainly winnable. I still think the ceiling is 10 games, but more than likely we'll win 8 games +/- 1. This schedule just isn't that bad.
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I agree with the 10 Ws ceiling. I think UF is the only one I just can't see us winning. We will be the dogs against Bama, UGA, and Ole Miss. And at this point SC is a toss up. I could see us winning 2 out of the 5 above. 9 is reasonable, 8 is probable.
 
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I won't make any predictions - we've all seen the Vols win games they had no business winning and vice versa.

As for players leaving - if their presence would have affected team unity, shared responsibility and attitude; good riddance.
 
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Duckhook said:
With the most recent losses, the Vols now have a grand total of 18 players currently on-campus who were 4-star or 5-star recruits. Of the 9 that have left so far, EIGHT of them fit this criteria, as well...say what you want, that is a serious loss of talent for a roster thin on it. 11 of the incoming recruits will help this, but will only bring the number to 29. Worse, of the 18 elite players on campus today, 9 are SRs and Eric Berry makes 10 who will be leaving after 2009, meaning the staff will have to have a banner year in the 2010 class to really make an improvement. Don't bother arguing that stars don't matter, because all of the best players are included in these 18 (Berry, Hardesty, Jones, McCoy, McClendon, Brown, Crompton, etc).

There are some elite players in spots, but they are surrounded by very average to below-avg talent around them. This would have been the value of the players who have now left in the coming seasons. Plus, the fact that Bama, LSU, Fla, and UGA all have over 40 already on campus, and will have around 60 come fall, tells you why UT can't compete right now.

The point is that there will be little to zero talent in the upperclasses during the 2010 and 2011 seasons. That doesn't bode well for turning things around in those years, considering all 4 of the teams listed above are on the schedule each of those years. If you're one of the ones praising LK for these moves today, don't be caught at the front of the mob wanting to run him off after 3 mediocre seasons.

Just the facts. It won't be pretty for the next few years.:hmm:
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The point at which I realized this was a joke.
 
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Sign reads " I will give my all for Tennessee today." CLK is determining which player will do this day in and day out. If players are incapable of meeting the task then they should move on or be culled.....it feels a little painful right now but I'd rather feel the pain now instead of later..
 
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One of the themes of the Spring was "Earn your right to play for Tennessee" and the coaches really tried to instill that in the players. If they weren't up for the task, they were encouraged to move on or did so of their on accord. That's just football.

These are mistakes on evaluating by the former staff that are being corrected by the current one. It sucks that we are so thin talent-wise, but that is the situation the former staff left us in. Has little to do with the current staff.
 
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