Facts are facts - Kiffin is running off the talent

#51
#51
Vols5150 said:
I really do feel sorry for you and others that actually believe this. No offense man, but you are going to be extremely disappointed this year. We've got about as much chance of winning 10 games as Vandy does winning the SEC. Possible.....technically, yes. Probable....no way in hell.

It really amazes me how, after everything we've seen and heard this off season, that everybody is still running around with total confidence in Kiffin. I guess some folks would rather lie to themselves than face reality.
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There isn't any reality. The Kiffin regime hasn't coached any football games at Tennessee yet.
 
#52
#52
Vols5150 said:
I really do feel sorry for you and others that actually believe this. No offense man, but you are going to be extremely disappointed this year. We've got about as much chance of winning 10 games as Vandy does winning the SEC. Possible.....technically, yes. Probable....no way in hell.

It really amazes me how, after everything we've seen and heard this off season, that everybody is still running around with total confidence in Kiffin. I guess some folks would rather lie to themselves than face reality.
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The reality is very simple: Fulmer left the cupboard bare in most areas. I would rather have the philosphy of Mike Singletary in that I would rather play with 10 that want to play then to have 1 out there who is only thinking about themself.

Keep taking up for your fallen leader 5150, I hope you are keeping up with the draft and notice how many players we have had drafted. My wish is that Kiffin exposes Fulmer for what he really was and that is a coach who could not establish disclipine on a team and it became a team where "I" came first and Fulmer played favorites for the cry babies.
 
#53
#53
Short term it may hurt a little....long term this is what that team needs. I have not seen the fire or leadership displayed on this team over the past 2 years....looked like they were going through the motions....way too relaxed to complete in the SEC.

I lool forward to rock solid hits and attitude on both sides of the line!!
 
#54
#54
Duckhook said:
With the most recent losses, the Vols now have a grand total of 18 players currently on-campus who were 4-star or 5-star recruits. Of the 9 that have left so far, EIGHT of them fit this criteria, as well...say what you want, that is a serious loss of talent for a roster thin on it. 11 of the incoming recruits will help this, but will only bring the number to 29. Worse, of the 18 elite players on campus today, 9 are SRs and Eric Berry makes 10 who will be leaving after 2009, meaning the staff will have to have a banner year in the 2010 class to really make an improvement. Don't bother arguing that stars don't matter, because all of the best players are included in these 18 (Berry, Hardesty, Jones, McCoy, McClendon, Brown, Crompton, etc).

There are some elite players in spots, but they are surrounded by very average to below-avg talent around them. This would have been the value of the players who have now left in the coming seasons. Plus, the fact that Bama, LSU, Fla, and UGA all have over 40 already on campus, and will have around 60 come fall, tells you why UT can't compete right now.

The point is that there will be little to zero talent in the upperclasses during the 2010 and 2011 seasons. That doesn't bode well for turning things around in those years, considering all 4 of the teams listed above are on the schedule each of those years. If you're one of the ones praising LK for these moves today, don't be caught at the front of the mob wanting to run him off after 3 mediocre seasons.

Just the facts. It won't be pretty for the next few years.:hmm:
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First, what exactly has this 'talent' done in the past 3 years (the first year the seniors this year would have been on campus)? A East title and the worst season UT's history....The got undressed by UF and Alabama two years in a row. The combined record was 24-15 including losses to Wyoming and UCLA. They were called out publicly by opponents for quitting or for being soft in numerous games (Penn State in the Outback bowl in 07, and Florida in 07)...how did they respond...by having a 5-7 recorded in 2008, and having 0 heart in virtually every game they played.

The bottom line is that this team was void of heart and character for the past 3 years, and as a result the new staff is having to cut the fat off the team, and get the players who truly want to play on the field.

I could care less about what the stars of a player are, what matters is how they play in Fall in front of 100,000+ fans, against SEC caliber teams. NO stars can predict that, just see JC.
 
#55
#55
mkil5 said:
It's not like all of them were going to see serious playing time. Morely was the only starter, he is replacable. It was debatable whether Creer would see the field, especially with BB and DO coming in. I don't think we would have seen many of the others anyways. I don't see a big deal in it.
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I'm glad Kiffin is getting rid of the rif-raf, but I have to disagree with your statment. Creer, Bailey, Langley, and Sawtelle wouldn't have seen much playing time.

But Morley would have started like you said. Either Johnson or Myers would have been starting at tackle opposite Chris Scott and whichever one didn't start, would have given UT some more depth on the o-line. If Coleman would have stuck it out, he might have ended up being the starting QB. And who's to say that Abrams-Ward wouldn't be seeing the field alot this coming year? He was a big physical WR who fits perfectly into Kiffin's system. IMO it's one thing to say that these guys were head cases and punks, but it's another thing all together to say that they wouldn't have been able to perform on the field...
 
#56
#56
A recruiting star doesn't measure how much someone wants something, or how coachable they are or how big a douchebag they are.
 
#58
#58
Vols5150 said:
It really amazes me how, after everything we've seen and heard this off season, that everybody is still running around with total confidence in Kiffin. I guess some folks would rather lie to themselves than face reality.
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It really amazes me that you still have an axe to grind against Kiffin. You've witnessed him bring in a great recruiting class and conduct an off season without a single Fulmer Cup point.

That is the reality


...loser
 
#59
#59
GmanTN said:
The reality is very simple: Fulmer left the cupboard bare in most areas. I would rather have the philosphy of Mike Singletary in that I would rather play with 10 that want to play then to have 1 out there who is only thinking about themself.

Keep taking up for your fallen leader 5150, I hope you are keeping up with the draft and notice how many players we have had drafted. My wish is that Kiffin exposes Fulmer for what he really was and that is a coach who could not establish disclipine on a team and it became a team where "I" came first and Fulmer played favorites for the cry babies.
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Can't win with 'em! Can't play with 'em! Can't coach with 'em! Can't do it!!
 
#60
#60
No off field incidences so far. Another improvement this offseason
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#61
#61
Ughhh said:
The last one, BJ Coleman, was just being a spoiled brat. He played well in the OW game. He may have very well won the starting job but he wanted an answer NOW and Kiffin said all along that the BEST players would be on the field. BJ should have just waited his turn and his chance would have come. Some of the others that left, well, good riddance. If they can't handle practices we sure as hell don't need them.
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BINGO!!!!!!
You beat me to it.
I hope he runs off all the whiners and cry babies.
I'm tired of watching my team quit after the first signs of adversity
 
#63
#63
Lexvol said:
Other than Morely there has not been one person with any real NFL potential that has left this team.
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And, he's the one guy who probably wouldn't have made it into the fall season under any coaching scenario.

I wanted to see him play one more year, but if it wasn't discipline, or bowling, something else was likely to keep him off the field in 2009.
 
#65
#65
ReeceBobby said:
The talent being brought in >>>the talent being run off
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If I was one of the Frosh coming this fall, I'd like my chances of getting some playing time as long as I understand, it's going to take some serious work and dedication to be a Vol.
 
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#66
#66
I remember Kiffen saying earlier, he likes to take 3's and coach them up

Facts are facts, when the fall starts check the so called 5"s and see how many are in the starting lineups for all the major teams. I belive the official facts I read were less than 15% with 72% of starters being 3's. Lets see what happens,

GO VOLS

Survival of the fittest
 
#72
#72
until proven otherwise, i'll trust CLK, CMK, and CEO et al evals on the field more than a star system on the www.

open up those scollies and bring in the new talent!
 
#73
#73
Duckhook said:
With the most recent losses, the Vols now have a grand total of 18 players currently on-campus who were 4-star or 5-star recruits. Of the 9 that have left so far, EIGHT of them fit this criteria, as well...say what you want, that is a serious loss of talent for a roster thin on it. 11 of the incoming recruits will help this, but will only bring the number to 29. Worse, of the 18 elite players on campus today, 9 are SRs and Eric Berry makes 10 who will be leaving after 2009, meaning the staff will have to have a banner year in the 2010 class to really make an improvement. Don't bother arguing that stars don't matter, because all of the best players are included in these 18 (Berry, Hardesty, Jones, McCoy, McClendon, Brown, Crompton, etc).

There are some elite players in spots, but they are surrounded by very average to below-avg talent around them. This would have been the value of the players who have now left in the coming seasons. Plus, the fact that Bama, LSU, Fla, and UGA all have over 40 already on campus, and will have around 60 come fall, tells you why UT can't compete right now.

The point is that there will be little to zero talent in the upperclasses during the 2010 and 2011 seasons. That doesn't bode well for turning things around in those years, considering all 4 of the teams listed above are on the schedule each of those years. If you're one of the ones praising LK for these moves today, don't be caught at the front of the mob wanting to run him off after 3 mediocre seasons.

Just the facts. It won't be pretty for the next few years.:hmm:
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Those stars stopped shining when they didn't produce for a losing team. I trust Kiffin and results. These guys would have never lived up to their "star" rating because they obviously do NOT think they have to work to be good. You'd think that seven losses would change that attitude. They can join Fulmer at the nearest donut shop.
 
#74
#74
Vols5150 said:
It really amazes me how, after everything we've seen and heard this off season, that everybody is still running around with total confidence in Kiffin. I guess some folks would rather lie to themselves than face reality.
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And what exactly has Kiffin done to betray our confidence?

  • We have had 0 player off-field incidents since the new sheriff has been in town.
  • He called his shot on bringing in one of the best, hardest working staffs in college football. Go back and refresh yourself: Monte Kiffin, and Eddie Gran are 2 of the best at what they do; Ed Orgeron and Lance Thompson are 2 of the best recruiters in the nation. The others are solid at worst.
  • He brought in a top 10 recruiting class (and better than that of the defending national champion and arch rival I might add) with only 3 months to work with.
  • He has Tennessee relevant in the media, and more importantly, in the minds of 17-18 year old stud recruits, again.
If you could get past seething over fulmer's dismissal you might be enlightened.
 
#75
#75
I put it in this context. florida and usc recruit highly rated/touted players out of h.s. those players know they will have to beat out other highly rated/touted players to get pt. some leave because they can't handle it or know they won't beat out the guy in front of them, but some stick it out. Cassel didn't start a game for USC and now he's a starting qb in the NFL. Obviously Cassel was good enough to start and he didn't quit.

BJ and the like were not really world beaters coming out of hs. if they can't beat out the other recruits that are in front of them (perceived or real) then it's apparent to me that they cannot handle the pressure.
 
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