Facts are facts - Kiffin is running off the talent

#26
#26
In response to an earlier poster, I myself do not see any "guaranteed" losses.........
 
#27
#27
In the long run..no matter how good they are, the team is better off without them. We are trying to progress.
 
#31
#31
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#32
#32
Other than Morely there has not been one person with any real NFL potential that has left this team.
 
#33
#33
Part of my point about the 8 win ceiling is that we don't need to expect miracles in the first year. I would rather be pleasantly surprised with our season than disappointed because I put too much faith in an immediate turnaround and wasn't satisfied with the results. I even think there is a possibility that if things don't pan out better in the QB situation we could see a 6 win season next year and I honestly wouldn't be that disappointed if it happened. I just think that placing too much importance on wins/losses and not enough on getting people here for the systems in place will be our own worst enemy within the fan base.
 
#35
#35
I'll buy that we aren't loaded with talent right now but I won't buy that Kiffin is "running them off". Lack of talent is unfortunately more a product of the previous 2 to 4 yrs than it is Kiffin. Besides, most of these guys have quit, I don't really put those on Kiffin.

Regarding Kiffin needing to have a banner 2010 recruiting class....this is true. BUT, I don't see any reason why we won't have a huge 2010 recruiting class. Snuck into the top 10 this year with only a few months to work? CLK will bring in a HUGE class next year.
 
#36
#36
To be completely honest, I find it comical that these guys are quitting the football team. They have a chance to play major college football in front of over 100,000 of the best fans in college sports. They also have a chance to get a college education PAID FOR. In these economic times where a lot of people are losing their homes and can not afford the basic necessities of life, to quit on your team and to snub your nose at the aforementioned free education is a joke in my opinion. To be further honest, a large percentage of these "kids" would not even have a shot at college...much less for free....and to quit because you don't like whats happening is pathetic.
 
#38
#38
Duckhook said:
With the most recent losses, the Vols now have a grand total of 18 players currently on-campus who were 4-star or 5-star recruits. Of the 9 that have left so far, EIGHT of them fit this criteria, as well...say what you want, that is a serious loss of talent for a roster thin on it. 11 of the incoming recruits will help this, but will only bring the number to 29. Worse, of the 18 elite players on campus today, 9 are SRs and Eric Berry makes 10 who will be leaving after 2009, meaning the staff will have to have a banner year in the 2010 class to really make an improvement. Don't bother arguing that stars don't matter, because all of the best players are included in these 18 (Berry, Hardesty, Jones, McCoy, McClendon, Brown, Crompton, etc).

There are some elite players in spots, but they are surrounded by very average to below-avg talent around them. This would have been the value of the players who have now left in the coming seasons. Plus, the fact that Bama, LSU, Fla, and UGA all have over 40 already on campus, and will have around 60 come fall, tells you why UT can't compete right now.

The point is that there will be little to zero talent in the upperclasses during the 2010 and 2011 seasons. That doesn't bode well for turning things around in those years, considering all 4 of the teams listed above are on the schedule each of those years. If you're one of the ones praising LK for these moves today, don't be caught at the front of the mob wanting to run him off after 3 mediocre seasons.

Just the facts. It won't be pretty for the next few years.:hmm:
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So then incoming talent doesn't matter for at least a yr? Tell that to Saban he started at least 24 freshmen last year. Granted I agree with the fact a lot of talent is leaving, but if they feel it's toooooo hard then why keep them around anyway we can use the scholarship and go get some more 5 stars to fill their place. I'll say it again GIVE KIFFIN A CHANCE LET HIM COACH. If after 3 or 4 yrs we still suck then we can start up posts like this, but after 3 or 4 yrs we have won an sec title then all of you should have to publicly apologize
 
#39
#39
When he starts running off starters from last year, I think you raise the red flag then. Now no....
 
#40
#40
DOCTORLOOMIS said:
To be completely honest, I find it comical that these guys are quitting the football team. They have a chance to play major college football in front of over 100,000 of the best fans in college sports. They also have a chance to get a college education PAID FOR. In these economic times where a lot of people are losing their homes and can not afford the basic necessities of life, to quit on your team and to snub your nose at the aforementioned free education is a joke in my opinion. To be further honest, a large percentage of these "kids" would not even have a shot at college...much less for free....and to quit because you don't like whats happening is pathetic.
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#41
#41
We went 5-7 last year. I hate to see players leave, but in the end no matter who transfers . . . we can go 5-7 without them.
 
#44
#44
Duckhook said:
With the most recent losses, the Vols now have a grand total of 18 players currently on-campus who were 4-star or 5-star recruits. Of the 9 that have left so far, EIGHT of them fit this criteria, as well...say what you want, that is a serious loss of talent for a roster thin on it. 11 of the incoming recruits will help this, but will only bring the number to 29. Worse, of the 18 elite players on campus today, 9 are SRs and Eric Berry makes 10 who will be leaving after 2009, meaning the staff will have to have a banner year in the 2010 class to really make an improvement. Don't bother arguing that stars don't matter, because all of the best players are included in these 18 (Berry, Hardesty, Jones, McCoy, McClendon, Brown, Crompton, etc).

There are some elite players in spots, but they are surrounded by very average to below-avg talent around them. This would have been the value of the players who have now left in the coming seasons. Plus, the fact that Bama, LSU, Fla, and UGA all have over 40 already on campus, and will have around 60 come fall, tells you why UT can't compete right now.

The point is that there will be little to zero talent in the upperclasses during the 2010 and 2011 seasons. That doesn't bode well for turning things around in those years, considering all 4 of the teams listed above are on the schedule each of those years. If you're one of the ones praising LK for these moves today, don't be caught at the front of the mob wanting to run him off after 3 mediocre seasons.

Just the facts. It won't be pretty for the next few years.:hmm:
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........and what was our record last year with these 4&5* studs?
 
#45
#45
Duckhook said:
With the most recent losses, the Vols now have a grand total of 18 players currently on-campus who were 4-star or 5-star recruits. Of the 9 that have left so far, EIGHT of them fit this criteria, as well...say what you want, that is a serious loss of talent for a roster thin on it. 11 of the incoming recruits will help this, but will only bring the number to 29. Worse, of the 18 elite players on campus today, 9 are SRs and Eric Berry makes 10 who will be leaving after 2009, meaning the staff will have to have a banner year in the 2010 class to really make an improvement. Don't bother arguing that stars don't matter, because all of the best players are included in these 18 (Berry, Hardesty, Jones, McCoy, McClendon, Brown, Crompton, etc).

There are some elite players in spots, but they are surrounded by very average to below-avg talent around them. This would have been the value of the players who have now left in the coming seasons. Plus, the fact that Bama, LSU, Fla, and UGA all have over 40 already on campus, and will have around 60 come fall, tells you why UT can't compete right now.

The point is that there will be little to zero talent in the upperclasses during the 2010 and 2011 seasons. That doesn't bode well for turning things around in those years, considering all 4 of the teams listed above are on the schedule each of those years. If you're one of the ones praising LK for these moves today, don't be caught at the front of the mob wanting to run him off after 3 mediocre seasons.

Just the facts. It won't be pretty for the next few years.:hmm:
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I don't see how this proves he's running off talent. Everyone has left by choice or dismissal. If you have issues with his standards, fair enough, but I don't think he's really ran anyone off.
 
#46
#46
Duckhook said:
With the most recent losses, the Vols now have a grand total of 18 players currently on-campus who were 4-star or 5-star recruits. Of the 9 that have left so far, EIGHT of them fit this criteria, as well...say what you want, that is a serious loss of talent for a roster thin on it. 11 of the incoming recruits will help this, but will only bring the number to 29. Worse, of the 18 elite players on campus today, 9 are SRs and Eric Berry makes 10 who will be leaving after 2009, meaning the staff will have to have a banner year in the 2010 class to really make an improvement. Don't bother arguing that stars don't matter, because all of the best players are included in these 18 (Berry, Hardesty, Jones, McCoy, McClendon, Brown, Crompton, etc).

There are some elite players in spots, but they are surrounded by very average to below-avg talent around them. This would have been the value of the players who have now left in the coming seasons. Plus, the fact that Bama, LSU, Fla, and UGA all have over 40 already on campus, and will have around 60 come fall, tells you why UT can't compete right now.

The point is that there will be little to zero talent in the upperclasses during the 2010 and 2011 seasons. That doesn't bode well for turning things around in those years, considering all 4 of the teams listed above are on the schedule each of those years. If you're one of the ones praising LK for these moves today, don't be caught at the front of the mob wanting to run him off after 3 mediocre seasons.

Just the facts. It won't be pretty for the next few years.:hmm:
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are you assuming that all high school 5 stars are college 5 stars? high school 4 stars are college 4 stars?? etc.

around 35-40% of the players don't turn out from one recruiting year to another...
 
#47
#47
Duckhook said:
With the most recent losses, the Vols now have a grand total of 18 players currently on-campus who were 4-star or 5-star recruits. Of the 9 that have left so far, EIGHT of them fit this criteria, as well...say what you want, that is a serious loss of talent for a roster thin on it. 11 of the incoming recruits will help this, but will only bring the number to 29. Worse, of the 18 elite players on campus today, 9 are SRs and Eric Berry makes 10 who will be leaving after 2009, meaning the staff will have to have a banner year in the 2010 class to really make an improvement. Don't bother arguing that stars don't matter, because all of the best players are included in these 18 (Berry, Hardesty, Jones, McCoy, McClendon, Brown, Crompton, etc).

There are some elite players in spots, but they are surrounded by very average to below-avg talent around them. This would have been the value of the players who have now left in the coming seasons. Plus, the fact that Bama, LSU, Fla, and UGA all have over 40 already on campus, and will have around 60 come fall, tells you why UT can't compete right now.

The point is that there will be little to zero talent in the upperclasses during the 2010 and 2011 seasons. That doesn't bode well for turning things around in those years, considering all 4 of the teams listed above are on the schedule each of those years. If you're one of the ones praising LK for these moves today, don't be caught at the front of the mob wanting to run him off after 3 mediocre seasons.

Just the facts. It won't be pretty for the next few years.:hmm:
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The players that have QUIT have been overrated players that were coddled by the Fulmer regime and felt that they were owed playing time rather than having to earn it. None of them will be missed, and it will help us improve the team MUCH quicker because we will now be able to use those scholarships to recruit top level talent that is ready to work hard to improve. We no longer have to carry as much dead weight on our team. Just the facts.
 
#49
#49
Sounds as if some folks need to loosen their belts because the blood seems to be not flowing properly to the brain. If CLK is "running" off all this great talent then explain to me how we went 5-7 last season. To further support the fact that are talent pool is shallow just check out the draft. Thru 168 picks round 5 the Vols have had only Ayers drafted which makes us only 1 better then the Hurricanes for BCS schools.

We have not lost anyone that was going to be great for us next year... Perhaps you should think of this way...If the player was that great then they would have stayed to begin with.
 
#50
#50
Sudeepvol said:
I still think the ceiling is 10 games.....
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I really do feel sorry for you and others that actually believe this. No offense man, but you are going to be extremely disappointed this year. We've got about as much chance of winning 10 games as Vandy does winning the SEC. Possible.....technically, yes. Probable....no way in hell.

It really amazes me how, after everything we've seen and heard this off season, that everybody is still running around with total confidence in Kiffin. I guess some folks would rather lie to themselves than face reality.
 
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