Fake Injury Ramifications?

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Will the SEC take any action against KY for fake injury? On the last TD drive by TN, 97 faked injury and proof was shown on TV. Can the SEC suspend him for a half or take any other action?
 
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OrangeVolMan said:
Will the SEC take any action against KY for fake injury? On the last TD drive by TN, 97 faked injury and proof was shown on TV. Can the SEC suspend him for a half or take any other action?
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how do you prove what someone's intent is or what they are thinking??? No, there will be no action taken.

I've seen countless instances of players heading to sideline hurt and staff has them drop to the ground. they were really hurt but that is every team does.
 
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LWSVOL said:
how do you prove what someone's intent is or what they are thinking??? No, there will be no action taken.

I've seen countless instances of players heading to sideline hurt and staff has them drop to the ground. they were really hurt but that is every team does.
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That is BS and you know it. The guy was not hurt. He stood up and then realized he was suppose to lay down. Refs make judgement calls all game long. Time for the SEC office to stand up.
 
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That is BS and you know it. The guy was not hurt. He stood up and then realized he was suppose to lay down. Refs make judgement calls all game long. Time for the SEC office to stand up.
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not saying it doesn't happen or that was not the case. Just saying, the SEC is not going to do anything because they will not try to interpret intent in those cases. Every time it happens is not a fake instance. As a league, how do you decide which is which?
 
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I think the NCAA will probably have some chatter after this season about making some tougher rules to curb this fake injury horse crap.
 
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With a dumbass coaching staff that signals for a player to drop when they have no timeouts left and,therefore,ky,loses a 10 second runoff of time,then Tennessee gets 40 seconds of clock time to snap the ball and there are only 36 seconds left.What a coaching staff ky. has! Bluegrass=dumbass all day long!Go Vols!
 
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The clock runoff is the penalty for this and it cost UK big time. They aren’t going to start having the refs go over and make sure they’re actually hurt. That’s just dumb. The league will have to decide if it’s worth bringing it up for a discussion with the rules committee, but there would have to be a viable solution, which there currently isn’t. We can’t even depend on refs to catch a holding penalty, now we want them deciding if players are faking injuries? No thanks.
 
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LWSVOL said:
not saying it doesn't happen or that was not the case. Just saying, the SEC is not going to do anything because they will not try to interpret intent in those cases. Every time it happens is not a fake instance. As a league, how do you decide which is which?
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You’re right, nobody will ever be able to discern fake vs real injury. The solution SHOULD be that the player who is apparently injured has to sit out for a given amount of time. I think there is room for healthy debate on what that time should be (change of possession, a quarter, a half, etc). That way there is no interpretation required, there is insurance that an injured player’s needs are attended to, and it would at least be some sort of consequence for faking injuries.

There is clearly a problem. It’s a loophole that coaches are exploiting to negatively affect a perfectly legal scheme. It’s bad for the game, and something should be done. The hang up is that all of football is scared to take action, especially where injuries are concerned, because they are under the microscope for concussions. Every rule change seems to be geared toward player safety and they don’t want any backlash for creating a rule that has even the most minute whiff of contradicting that. Meanwhile, the sport suffers and the game looks stupid with fainting goats all over the field.
 
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OHvol40 said:
You’re right, nobody will ever be able to discern fake vs real injury. The solution SHOULD be that the player who is apparently injured has to sit out for a given amount of time. I think there is room for healthy debate on what that time should be (change of possession, a quarter, a half, etc). That way there is no interpretation required, there is insurance that an injured player’s needs are attended to, and it would at least be some sort of consequence for faking injuries.

There is clearly a problem. It’s a loophole that coaches are exploiting to negatively affect a perfectly legal scheme. It’s bad for the game, and something should be done. The hang up is that all of football is scared to take action, especially where injuries are concerned, because they are under the microscope for concussions. Every rule change seems to be geared toward player safety and they don’t want any backlash for creating a rule that has even the most minute whiff of contradicting that. Meanwhile, the sport suffers and the game looks stupid with fainting goats all over the field.
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With respect to the player safety issue, it should be emphasized with respect to the Birmingham office's ongoing rigged officiating scandal to realize that the clear pattern of no-calls to manipulate game outcomes endangers player safety.
 
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So pardon my ignorance here but I didn't realize there could be a runoff for an injury. I googled it and I was somewhat surprise it's several years old. Maybe you all knew about this but I sure didn't.

Due to player safety concerns I figure they will never make a rule penalizing a player for being injured. I was wrong.
 
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OHvol40 said:
You’re right, nobody will ever be able to discern fake vs real injury. The solution SHOULD be that the player who is apparently injured has to sit out for a given amount of time. I think there is room for healthy debate on what that time should be (change of possession, a quarter, a half, etc). That way there is no interpretation required, there is insurance that an injured player’s needs are attended to, and it would at least be some sort of consequence for faking injuries.

There is clearly a problem. It’s a loophole that coaches are exploiting to negatively affect a perfectly legal scheme. It’s bad for the game, and something should be done. The hang up is that all of football is scared to take action, especially where injuries are concerned, because they are under the microscope for concussions. Every rule change seems to be geared toward player safety and they don’t want any backlash for creating a rule that has even the most minute whiff of contradicting that. Meanwhile, the sport suffers and the game looks stupid with fainting goats all over the field.
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"Player safety" and the risk of liability is why they could and would never institute a 'fake injury' rule, and as you said, how is an official going to determine whether an injury is fake or real. The solution is so simple - require the player to sit the rest of a possession out. That addresses the safety issue, because if the player is actually hurt they have time to determine the extent of the injury, and it eliminates the fake injury nonsense because no coach will want to lose a rotation player if he doesn't have to.

The problem is that it's so simple and so logical that the brains in the NCAA and conferences will never do it.
 
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Make it a 5 yard penalty everytime somebody goes down, fake or not. It eliminates any ambiguity, it will stop the fakery, and it would absolve the refs from having to interpret intent.
 
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Another way to address it would be that the only substitution that can occur is for the injured player or players, one for one, unless the offense substitutes during the time out. That way concern for player safety stays and the element of supposed trickery is “addressed”.
 
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How about addressing the substitution and play clock running.
It's another bush league situation.
 
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OrangeVolMan said:
Will the SEC take any action against KY for fake injury? On the last TD drive by TN, 97 faked injury and proof was shown on TV. Can the SEC suspend him for a half or take any other action?
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The NCAA doesn’t have to take action. The dip$hit wildcats took action on themselves. Kroger field follies for life!
 
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Vol865 said:
Suspension is excessive. Just make them sit out a few plays and keep everyone on the field.
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Absolutely… common sense tells you that it takes a certain amount of time to evaluate an injury. Just put somebody on the sideline to track each injury and don’t let any injured player come back into the game for X number of plays, the rest of the possession, until the next dead ball etc.
 
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