Fake Injury Ramifications?

[Brave Volunteer]

It really only cost the Vols 3 additional points. Kept the game a little closer than it would've been.

Yeah I mean, come on. Anything can happen but, we were GOING to kick that field goal and make it a two score game regardless. All the run off did was make the ending less exciting. Wildcat fans saying this cost them the game are delusional.

 

[smoltie29``]

At least have them sit out until the next series starts. Put an official on the sideline with the sole responsibility of making sure they don't reenter until change of possession.

 

[njvols]

how do you prove what someone's intent is or what they are thinking??? No, there will be no action taken.

I've seen countless instances of players heading to sideline hurt and staff has them drop to the ground. they were really hurt but that is every team does.

Film don’t lie. Make them sit first quarter of following game. I’m talking about the obvious ones.

 

[daj2576]

The clock runoff is the penalty for this and it cost UK big time. They aren’t going to start having the refs go over and make sure they’re actually hurt. That’s just dumb. The league will have to decide if it’s worth bringing it up for a discussion with the rules committee, but there would have to be a viable solution, which there currently isn’t. We can’t even depend on refs to catch a holding penalty, now we want them deciding if players are faking injuries? No thanks.

The solution is pretty simple to me.

If a player goes down requiring a game stoppage, that player must be removed from the game for medical evaluation in the locker room, until they are cleared to return by medical staff AND at least 1 minute of game clock has elapsed or there is a change of posession, whichever is longer.

Also, when the game is stopped due to injury there can be no substitutions on the injured players team, except to sub a player for the injured player. If the same player goes down requiring a stoppage more than twice a game, they are required to go to the locker room for the remainder of the game for appropriate medical treatment.

NCAA makes a rule like that for "player safety" and flops stop completely.

 

[utchs81]

In this case , at least, the ramifications were clear and immediate.

 

[sami]

How about addressing the substitution and play clock running.
It's another bush league situation.

That's something that must be addressed, but likely won't. Teams are more and more going to drain the play clock when substituting - hell, I'd do it for sure.

Should be a delay of game, and it's easy to spot it happening. My bet is nothing ever gets done, because they'd rather UT slow down than anything else.

 

[savannahfan]

That is BS and you know it. The guy was not hurt. He stood up and then realized he was suppose to lay down. Refs make judgement calls all game long. Time for the SEC office to stand up.

God forbid giving them anymore "judgement" power. Their judgement is usually slanted one way or the other.

 

[Ovol]

I think there was only a 10 second runoff because 1) it was in the last minute of play, 2) it was inside the 40 sec. play clock, and 3)UK did not have a time out left. So 10 seconds were run off and the 40 second clock reset.

 

[CAVPUT]

Will the SEC take any action against KY for fake injury? On the last TD drive by TN, 97 faked injury and proof was shown on TV. Can the SEC suspend him for a half or take any other action?

Proof? That's the problem. Some injuries are obvious like McCoy. When I saw Bowers get injured, Hadden get "dinged", etc, they didn't look so serious. The opponent can always claim it was a cramp that "just hit". Then you have the liability concerns when a guys goes down and you force him to try and get off the field or risk a faking penalty? What if he is really injured and doing that leads to further damage? Now I'll grant you that what I'm saying clearly wasn't the case vs UK, but they no longer call holding and pass interference in today's game to speed things up. Do you really think they're going to die on the hill of fake injuries? I don't and that's mainly behind who runs our hurry up offense and who doesn't. We're among a small group of "unicorns" and we ain't Bama, OSU or Michigan.

 

[CAVPUT]

Change the rules so the player must sit out the next two series unless his team takes a time out. One series isn't enough because that might only be one or two plays.

They must have felt helpless. I'd bet Stoops had such a sick feeling in his stomach when the officials informed him of the call for the run off and the game was over. That dude knows there's no covering this mistake and that his fan base is gonna go ape poo poo on him because it happened in THIS game against THIS hated opponent with THIS history of losing. Bet he went and poured a stiff one before hitting his post game presser.

 

[miket4god]

Will the SEC take any action against KY for fake injury? On the last TD drive by TN, 97 faked injury and proof was shown on TV. Can the SEC suspend him for a half or take any other act

not saying it doesn't happen or that was not the case. Just saying, the SEC is not going to do anything because they will not try to interpret intent in those cases. Every time it happens is not a fake instance. As a league, how do you decide which is which?

The SEC doesn't have to interpret intent because there is no rule against faking injuries currently.

 

[FBtime]

We have been exploiting this for the last two years with OL "injuries" on extra points, especially after we score quickly.

 

[aRmo]

That is BS and you know it. The guy was not hurt. He stood up and then realized he was suppose to lay down. Refs make judgement calls all game long. Time for the SEC office to stand up.

We do the same thing on FG plays after we score quickly. Its always the same player with us too. I just chuckle.

 

[bigorangepoppa]

The solution is pretty simple to me.
ain't game for medical evaluation in the locker room, until they are cleared to return by medical staff AND at least 1 minute of game clock has elapsed or there is a change of posession, whichever is longer.

Also, when the game is stopped due to injury there can be no substitutions on the injured players team, except to sub a player for the injured player. If the same player goes down requiring a stoppage more than twice a game, they are required to go to the locker room for the remainder of the game for appropriate medical treatment.

NCAA makes a rule like that for "player safety" and flops stop completely.

That may be the best solution I have seen posted so far. But it makes too much sense, so, ain't gonna happen.

 

[EconVol92]

Exactly, a rule needs to be made for player safety and that rule needs to include enough time to assist the player medically and for observation. If you are too hurt to get off the field you need time to recover, say 15 min or even 15 min of game time.

All in the name of player safety, who could argue against that?

 

[VolinMichigan]

They must have felt helpless. I'd bet Stoops had such a sick feeling in his stomach when the officials informed him of the call for the run off and the game was over. That dude knows there's no covering this mistake and that his fan base is gonna go ape poo poo on him because it happened in THIS game against THIS hated opponent with THIS history of losing. Bet he went and poured a stiff one before hitting his post game presser.

TN still had the field goal attempt. If TN misses the attempt, UK has maybe 10 seconds with no timeouts to try and go score a TD. Yes it was a blunder but UT was going to win the game barring a miracle. The game was effectively over after UTs last first down.

 

[volinSmyrna]

The only realistic thing that could help would be only the injured player gets subbed for, unless the other team subs...and that player cannot re-enter during that series.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Will the SEC take any action against KY for fake injury? On the last TD drive by TN, 97 faked injury and proof was shown on TV. Can the SEC suspend him for a half or take any other action?

Until this doesn't look suspiciously like a flop, no.

 

[JRich]

No, because you can't risk it when it is a legit injury.

Personally, for "player safety" if you go down with an injury and receive treatment, causing a delay to the game, you shouldn't be allowed to go back in for that entire series.

UT does it, too, on PAT's to give the defense extra time to rest if the offense scored really fast.

 

[utvolpj]

Yeah I mean, come on. Anything can happen but, we were GOING to kick that field goal and make it a two score game regardless. All the run off did was make the ending less exciting. Wildcat fans saying this cost them the game are delusional.

FGs get blocked and UK is well aware of that (remember when they had to almost decapitate Eric Berry to prevent him returning a block for the win?) The runoff solidified the win and made it so we didn't have to even try it.

 

[GAVol]

The solution is pretty simple to me.

If a player goes down requiring a game stoppage, that player must be removed from the game for medical evaluation in the locker room, until they are cleared to return by medical staff AND at least 1 minute of game clock has elapsed or there is a change of posession, whichever is longer.

Also, when the game is stopped due to injury there can be no substitutions on the injured players team, except to sub a player for the injured player. If the same player goes down requiring a stoppage more than twice a game, they are required to go to the locker room for the remainder of the game for appropriate medical treatment.

NCAA makes a rule like that for "player safety" and flops stop completely.

It's an obvious solution and it's not complicated at all. There's no other sport where players re-enter a game as quickly after an injury while the clock is running. Basketball, baseball etc all have natural stoppages that create time to deal with injuries. Football substitutes on the fly and there's still a meathead mentality for a lot of people when it comes to injuries.

I'll never forget working the chains on a high school sideline about 10 years ago and hearing a coach admonish a D-lineman who got his bell rung telling him that him not being able to recover from a shot to the head was a conditioning problem. Meanwhile, the kid is literally wobbling as he tries to get to the bench.

 

[utvolpj]

A player could have a legit injury that would allow them to get off the field under normal circumstances. Given our pace there is no reason to chance it and get a penalty. I hate it but not sure we want to get in the business of critiquing injuries in real time

 

[dobre_shunka]

My solution is to have the rest of the defensive players on the field run 10 yard sprints for each injury before the next snap. That way the injured player is not affected but there is a downside if it's a faked injury

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Exactly, a rule needs to be made for player safety and that rule needs to include enough time to assist the player medically and for observation. If you are too hurt to get off the field you need time to recover, say 15 min or even 15 min of game time.

All in the name of player safety, who could argue against that?

Nick Saban whined "player safety" about up tempo. We dragged him all over the place for it.

Stating that a guy needs "15min of game time" because he cramped up and couldn't walk is BS.

Also, asking a player to decide if that injury will be aggravated by "walking it off" so the team doesn't get a penalty is a step even worse than having the notoriously incompetent refs decide what's a "bad" injury and what isn't.

Like tempo, it's uncomfortable for the other side and that's part of the game. Maybe we should stop allowing time outs to try to "ice the kicker" or when our offense or defense doesn't like what they see......it just delays the game, you know.

 

[Vols1313]

The clock runoff is the penalty for this and it cost UK big time. They aren’t going to start having the refs go over and make sure they’re actually hurt. That’s just dumb. The league will have to decide if it’s worth bringing it up for a discussion with the rules committee, but there would have to be a viable solution, which there currently isn’t. We can’t even depend on refs to catch a holding penalty, now we want them deciding if players are faking injuries? No thanks.

They won’t do anything about it for legal reasons