Fake Injury Ramifications?

#51
#51
IMO, the only way anything is actually done about it is if O's are forced to give D's time to sub either every play or at certain points. It shouldn't be that way. But people like Saban wield too much power and very few coaches are capable of doing what Heupel does tempo wise.
 
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OHvol40 said:
You’re right, nobody will ever be able to discern fake vs real injury. The solution SHOULD be that the player who is apparently injured has to sit out for a given amount of time. I think there is room for healthy debate on what that time should be (change of possession, a quarter, a half, etc). That way there is no interpretation required, there is insurance that an injured player’s needs are attended to, and it would at least be some sort of consequence for faking injuries.

There is clearly a problem. It’s a loophole that coaches are exploiting to negatively affect a perfectly legal scheme. It’s bad for the game, and something should be done. The hang up is that all of football is scared to take action, especially where injuries are concerned, because they are under the microscope for concussions. Every rule change seems to be geared toward player safety and they don’t want any backlash for creating a rule that has even the most minute whiff of contradicting that. Meanwhile, the sport suffers and the game looks stupid with fainting goats all over the field.
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There technically is but it is only for one play. If they really cared about the players health it would be longer. Id say either the rest of that drive or minimum of 5 plays at least for the player to truly get evaluated.
 
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volsrock09 said:
There technically is but it is only for one play. If they really cared about the players health it would be longer. Id say either the rest of that drive or minimum of 5 plays at least for the player to truly get evaluated.
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Heupel and staff are already prepping for that kind of thing by doing our flops on FGs and XPs where it makes no difference/sense to make a guy sit "the next series" or "xxx game time."

Coaches trying to slow the momentum of the opposing team is as old as the game and flopping is too. Watch soccer, basketball, even hockey and you'll see "dives." You'll see coaches trying to eat the clock, get their guys some rest, slow the pace, etc in any way possible.

It's not like this is a "new problem." It's just something that disrupts Heupel's offense more than most, but the fact that Heupel uses flops on kicks is proof that he knows what's up.

It's part of the game.
 
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OrangeVolMan said:
That is BS and you know it. The guy was not hurt. He stood up and then realized he was suppose to lay down. Refs make judgement calls all game long. Time for the SEC office to stand up.
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I've had the wind knocked out of me and I popped right back up for about 5 seconds or so then went right back down to the turf. I'm not saying people don't fake it, but it's pretty difficult to tell most of the time.
 
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LWSVOL said:
how do you prove what someone's intent is or what they are thinking??? No, there will be no action taken.

I've seen countless instances of players heading to sideline hurt and staff has them drop to the ground. they were really hurt but that is every team does.
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I think the only way to prevent faking injuries is to require the player causing the injury timeout to stay out until the next series.
 
#57
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Fake injuries 100% happen, especially when teams play fast. Teams do it to Tennessee and (open secret) Tennessee does it to themselves on extra points in close games.

But nothing will come of it because of litigation risk. Players won’t go down if they have to stay out a quarter or a series. Or it will incentivize the other team to take cheap shots to force a player out who then has to sit a longer time.

Coaches or schools could be (and should be!) fined for egregious conduct. But there’s no way a conference will let a ref decide what injuries are real or fake in the moment. Even a team of doctors wouldn’t make that call. And a rule that penalizes players for going down will be exhibit A in a trial where a player tries to push through a concussion or thoracic injury and gets hurt worse as a result.
 
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There's enough "be a man" in sports already that encourages players to make absolutely stupid personal health decisions "for the team."

We don't really need to encourage more "I'm good, coach, I can stay in decisions."

 
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Firebirdparts said:
So pardon my ignorance here but I didn't realize there could be a runoff for an injury. I googled it and I was somewhat surprise it's several years old. Maybe you all knew about this but I sure didn't.

Due to player safety concerns I figure they will never make a rule penalizing a player for being injured. I was wrong.
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This rule change was probably a result of UT’s game against NC in 2010 Music city bowl. I was at that game and UNC ended up getting a 2nd chance to tie game at end of regulation after committing penalty. Today, game would have ended due to clock runoff. NC ending up winning in OT.
 
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hillsborovol said:
Change the rules so the player must sit out the next two series unless his team takes a time out. One series isn't enough because that might only be one or two plays.
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Then you have players who are really injured trying to stay on the field and possibly getting injured worse. Mustard and golf balls raining down is the best answer.
 
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LWSVOL said:
not saying it doesn't happen or that was not the case. Just saying, the SEC is not going to do anything because they will not try to interpret intent in those cases. Every time it happens is not a fake instance. As a league, how do you decide which is which?
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The NBA and college basketball does it with flopping do they not? It can be figured out.
 
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Sounds like some of you need a refresher on the :10 second run-off rule.

Go back and watch the final minute (regular, not OT) of the 2010 Music City Bowl - Tennessee/UNC and you'll see why the rule was implemented.

 
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Hunerwadel said:
Then you have players who are really injured trying to stay on the field and possibly getting injured worse. Mustard and golf balls raining down is the best answer.
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Forcing a player to miss 2 series would eliminate the fake injuries and players who are merely out of gas.

So, we would be left with real injuries. Maybe you can name a single example of a player ever being injured while hobbling off the field, but I have never heard of it. And, they used to hobble off the field routinely. Teams can avoid the 2 series penalty if the coach simply burns a time out. While attending to the injured player, the training staff can inform the coach that the player is going to be fine, and then the coach can decide whether to burn a time out or not.

Otherwise, we are left with players continuing to fake injuries...making a mockery of the game. I, personally, am sick of it. There needs to be repercussions for faking injuries.
 
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The rule needs to be-if time is halted for a player "injury",that player cannot return to the playing field until the possession has changed hands(cannot return until the other team is no longer on offense on that possession).
 
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OrangeVolMan said:
Will the SEC take any action against KY for fake injury? On the last TD drive by TN, 97 faked injury and proof was shown on TV. Can the SEC suspend him for a half or take any other action?
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Hey, it goes both ways; we fake them too. Remember the 4th down versus Bama......all of those PAT's over the past couple of years.
 
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OrangeVolMan said:
Will the SEC take any action against KY for fake injury? On the last TD drive by TN, 97 faked injury and proof was shown on TV. Can the SEC suspend him for a half or take any other action?
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The way you get this to stop is to put in a rule, that if you go down with an injury, you have to sit out that entire series. You can’t return until next possession.
 
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USCGVOL!! said:
.Another way to address it would be that the only substitution that can occur is for the injured player or players, one for one, unless the offense substitutes during the time out. That way concern for player safety stays and the element of supposed trickery is “addressed”.
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This would be the closet to getting passed.
I had thought like others, about making them sit out a complete series. Then the retort to that was they would be concerned that a player would endanger himself by playing hurt to keep from sitting out a complete series. So the answer is not easy because they definitely don't want to get sued.
 
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lastlapuncle said:
The rule needs to be-if time is halted for a player "injury",that player cannot return to the playing field until the possession has changed hands(cannot return until the other team is no longer on offense on that possession).
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They'll just have send some 3rd string scrub in for 1 play and have them flop.....🤬🤬🤬
 
#75
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Don't we fake an injury on pretty much every extra point? Took me a while to figure it out, but finally realized, that when we score, it's so quick the D didn't have time to rest...


Thus the (is it Lampley) injury on the extra points.
 
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