Family survival plan (End of the world)

[LittleVol]

I have taken the time to prepare the basics, food, shelter (underground basement), water (1,000 gal rainwater tank), communications (ham radio operator), power (solar powered generators), guns and ammo but I would probably share my stuff with others rather than shoot them. I know the reality of a bad situation, that twilight zone episode about the family with the shelter made an impression on me.

Do you remember which episode? I was a wee little guy when the reruns of that show started and never got to see that one.

Struggling and hunger alters a person's brain patterns and chemistry.
I've seen it in 3rd world countries. And even here in America, where people will and steal from their own families.

I'm glad to hear you have a bunker.
If the world ends, burn the house completely down so noone will think to look there for shelter.

 

[LittleVol]

I'm guessing you didn't go into your list extensively, but I would plan for easier ways to start fire. I see the magnifying glass in your post but those means would be last ditch. Fire/heat is everything in survival situations. Also, it would be worth it to read up on things to treat relatively minor illnesses. That knowledge would be invaluable for your family.

Agreed.

I have a starting stone as well. And the ointment is highly flammable. It works almost as well as lighting fluid and it last forever basically.

We have first-aid kit stuff.
All of these things don't last forever except for my knives, so I THINK LOL...i think the best thing is to forage and be prepared to defend and evade as quickly as possible until we get to the stronghold.

Regardless, at the end of the day...good plan...bad planning, the will to survive is strong with me. And my wife.

 

[Go aeiou]

bend over kiss azz goodbye.

 

[LittleVol]

The best thing is to go quickly instead of wasting away over a few weeks or months.

See I have an alternate view.
Possibly extremely niave view lol.

But depending on the winds and were it blows the nuclear fallout and how the climate changes after....

People could find themselves completely alone with an areas of nature that has chance to heal because all the humans are dead. Yes the nukes will cause some damage centuries into the future in those places of detonation.

But this is a big planet that takes care of itself. Surely there's places where small groups can start over. I owe that to my family.

 

[LittleVol]

I don't

I can't remember what show it was...
But there was this rich guy and he had just married this beautiful younger woman.
And she legit was in love with him.

But he was out of shape and had grown up a kind of pampered life. So...the world ENDS, as they knew it and everything is back to the stone age.

So one day 3 guys pounce upon the couple. Two of the guys attack the wife, while the ONE guy ....one freakin guy attacks the husband and starts beating the crap out of him! He's crying for him stop while the other 2 are about to rape his wife...

Luckily a guy who had been surviving on his own hears his pleas for help. He stabs one guy that is attacking the wife, and snaps the other's neck. And then quickly goes to save the husband from the other one man.
It was a movie...yes.

But I've seen things. I've experienced being attacked by multiple people try to take stuff.
You never can know peoples real intentions and sometimes just trying to give your stuff away only invites an attacker to take more.
So I don't leave my fate to anyone else's hesitation or intent.

In real life noone came to help me when two tall black south African men attacked me while I was walking a girl home in Cape Town about 12 years ago. Yet, here I am talking about what if scenarios.

Silly guys didn't know they were messing with a Vol fan

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

See I have an alternate view.
Possibly extremely niave view lol.

But depending on the winds and were it blows the nuclear fallout and how the climate changes after....

People could find themselves completely alone with an areas of nature that has chance to heal because all the humans are dead. Yes the nukes will cause some damage centuries into the future in those places of detonation.

But this is a big planet that takes care of itself. Surely there's places where small groups can start over. I owe that to my family.

Well let’s hope we don’t have to find out the truth in our lifetimes but who knows with the lunatic over there in Russia.

 

[LittleVol]

Well let’s hope we don’t have to find out the truth in our lifetimes but who knows with the lunatic over there in Russia.

It's him...but it's also the many people lining up behind in these other countries that don't like us.

I think he hates the world...and he wants to die and take the world with him. I see nothing but evil in his eyes in his presses. How he smirked doing that stupid little dance after annexing those 4 areas of Ukraine.

And here's the thing..YEAH WE ABSOLUTELY PROVOKED HIM. This war...and everything after it so far. Seems like destiny. It seems like all of this is inevitable. He's not bluffing...because he's tired of being scared of the west. Russia is supposed to be strong, and he fears the power of the US, military and economically. He's spent his whole life hating it.

He doesn't want to win...or rule. He wants to burn it all.

So, I'm preparing as if one day...there will no more Tennessee Football. There will be no more pacific islands excursions.
There will be no more agruing with my wifes gready, disfunctional, hopeless family. Or sounding like a pompous ass to everyone on Volnation because I act like I know everything haha. Taxes...seasonal tradition...calling friends...all of it is in danger right now.

 

[Go aeiou]

It's him...but it's also the many people lining up behind in these other countries that don't like us.

I think he hates the world...and he wants to die and take the world with him. I see nothing but evil in his eyes in his presses. How he smirked doing that stupid little dance after annexing those 4 areas of Ukraine.

And here's the thing..YEAH WE ABSOLUTELY PROVOKED HIM. This war...and everything after it so far. Seems like destiny. It seems like all of this is inevitable. He's not bluffing...because he's tired of being scared of the west. Russia is supposed to be strong, and he fears the power of the US, military and economically. He's spent his whole life hating it.

He doesn't want to win...or rule. He wants to burn it all.

So, I'm preparing as if one day...there will no more Tennessee Football. There will be no more pacific islands excursions.
There will be no more agruing with my wifes gready, disfunctional, hopeless family. Or sounding like a pompous ass to everyone on Volnation because I act like I know everything haha. Taxes...seasonal tradition...calling friends...all of it is in danger right now.

How old are you?
I lived in the 50 and 60s when this was an every day event, and Putin is a holdover from the USSR. It's what they do.

 

[LittleVol]

How old are you?
I lived in the 50 and 60s when this was an every day event, and Putin is a holdover from the USSR. It's what they do.

Part of that is the problem...
Eventually, people get tired of the "status quo ".
It's not just Russia. The West is tired of dealing with their occupations. Autocracy in general.

So if you're saying you HAVEN'T prepared for what could happen, then fine.

I'm only trying to engage in conversation about what happens after.
Because it absolutely has come to a head whether you believe it or not.

I'm ONLY interested in who on here has actually planned for the worst. IDGAS about what their behavior has been for 60 years on going. Apologies for the forthrightness.

 

[Go aeiou]

Part of that is the problem...
Eventually, people get tired of the "status quo ".
It's not just Russia. The West is tired of dealing with their occupations. Autocracy in general.

So if you're saying you HAVEN'T prepared for what could happen, then fine.

I'm only trying to engage in conversation about what happens after.
Because it absolutely has come to a head whether you believe it or not.

I'm ONLY interested in who on here has actually planned for the worst. IDGAS about what their behavior has been for 60 years on going. Apologies for the forthrightness.

I have plenty of friends that feel the same way you do, and they are prepared.
I might go stay with some in AZ, but I doubt US criminals would allow that. Mexico might be even worse.

Living in a city of 1/2 million makes me doubt we would survive the nukes.

You choose to believe. My experience tells me it's not near.

 

[EricStratton]

4 pounds of lint. 1 pound of Vaseline. 4” fixed blade, full tang, carbon steel knife. And I’m going to the mountains.

 

[LittleVol]

I have plenty of friends that feel the same way you do, and they are prepared.
I might go stay with some in AZ, but I doubt US criminals would allow that. Mexico might be even worse.

Living in a city of 1/2 million makes me doubt we would survive the nukes.

You choose to believe. My experience tells me it's not near.

If you were there back then in the 1960s. That would make you a decent age.
So our dynamics might be a bit different. Even in a world full of destruction and less people...
I'm not ready to go or abandon my family to it.

Maybe you're right...

 

[VOLtaism]

Do you remember which episode? I was a wee little guy when the reruns of that show started and never got to see that one.

Struggling and hunger alters a person's brain patterns and chemistry.
I've seen it in 3rd world countries. And even here in America, where people will and steal from their own families.

I'm glad to hear you have a bunker.
If the world ends, burn the house completely down so noone will think to look there for shelter.

Twilight Zone Episode 68

 

[Vol737]

My plan…the second we get word nukes are headed our way, I’m going to where I believe the epicenter of a blast zone would be (Oak Ridge) and wait for my immediate evisceration from this earth. I believe if we reach that point, multiple nukes will rain down and most places on earth would be uninhabitable for decades if not centuries. Nuclear fall out and radiation would spread far and wide.

I don’t think we have any real concept, nor do I want to, of how difficult it would be to survive after something like that. It wouldn’t be surviving, it would be a daily chaotic, gut wrenching experience as radiation ravaged the earth, water supply, crops and our bodies. The deaths from radiation poisoning would be incredibly and indescribably painful. For those that did survive and had any provisions to do so at all, we would see it bring out the worst in humanity as others would kill and steal from you in an effort to survive as well. There would be too many to fight off. It would ALL be futile.

 

[YankeeVol]

My plan…the second we get word nukes are headed our way, I’m going to where I believe the epicenter of a blast zone would be (Oak Ridge) and wait for my immediate evisceration from this earth. I believe if we reach that point, multiple nukes will rain down and most places on earth would be uninhabitable for decades if not centuries. Nuclear fall out and radiation would spread far and wide.

I don’t think we have any real concept, nor do I want to, of how difficult it would be to survive after something like that. It wouldn’t be surviving, it would be a daily chaotic, gut wrenching experience as radiation ravaged the earth, water supply, crops and our bodies. The deaths from radiation poisoning would be incredibly and indescribably painful. For those that did survive and had any provisions to do so at all, we would see it bring out the worst in humanity as others would kill and steal from you in an effort to survive as well. There would be too many to fight off. It would ALL be futile.

This. Like you said, that wouldn't be "surviving."

Now if it were just gov't collapse, that's a different story.

 

[davethevol]

Read this book. It’s non-fiction, but was written with input from our military. It shows how quickly society will break down during a massive catastrophic event, and it is eye opening to how it will affect people, such as diabetics once they can’t get insulin anymore. This book changed the way I live, especially with having multiple plans of where to go and printed maps if multiple regions because traveling on primary roads would probably be shut down completely.

One Second After - Wikipedia

 

[hog88]

My plan…the second we get word nukes are headed our way, I’m going to where I believe the epicenter of a blast zone would be (Oak Ridge) and wait for my immediate evisceration from this earth. I believe if we reach that point, multiple nukes will rain down and most places on earth would be uninhabitable for decades if not centuries. Nuclear fall out and radiation would spread far and wide.

I don’t think we have any real concept, nor do I want to, of how difficult it would be to survive after something like that. It wouldn’t be surviving, it would be a daily chaotic, gut wrenching experience as radiation ravaged the earth, water supply, crops and our bodies. The deaths from radiation poisoning would be incredibly and indescribably painful. For those that did survive and had any provisions to do so at all, we would see it bring out the worst in humanity as others would kill and steal from you in an effort to survive as well. There would be too many to fight off. It would ALL be futile.

I would scrape and fight until whatever took my last breath but I do understand where you’re coming from.

 

[hog88]

Read this book. It’s non-fiction, but was written with input from our military. It shows how quickly society will break down during a massive catastrophic event, and it is eye opening to how it will affect people, such as diabetics once they can’t get insulin anymore. This book changed the way I live, especially with having multiple plans of where to go and printed maps if multiple regions because traveling on primary roads would probably be shut down completely.

One Second After - Wikipedia

Great book, read the whole series.

 

[utvolpj]

If there's enough warning I'll be in Northeast TN and that's all you'll get from me. If not we have a spot down here to wait it out

 

[gm1ll]

I'll be heading to the nearest Vault-Tec Vault and try to get in.

 

[LittleVol]

If there's enough warning I'll be in Northeast TN and that's all you'll get from me. If not we have a spot down here to wait it out

That's also a great spot!

That whole area is ancient. If you believe in science and that the world is 4.5 billion years old....that area is one of the most unchanged topography in the world. The Smokeys are supposedly over a 300 million yo and possibly 1 billion in some of the foothills. And when there were other huge cataclysm that area remained unscathed.
Oldest mountains in the world.

There was a huge earthquake in 1850?? But since then it's been great.
So if history repeats itself then that should be a great spot

 

[LittleVol]

Twilight Zone Episode 68

Thank you!

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

That's also a great spot!

That whole area is ancient. If you believe in science and that the world is 4.5 billion years old....that area is one of the most unchanged topography in the world. The Smokeys are supposedly over a 300 million yo and possibly 1 billion in some of the foothills. And when there were other huge cataclysm that area remained unscathed.
Oldest mountains in the world.

There was a huge earthquake in 1850?? But since then it's been great.
So if history repeats itself then that should be a great spot

Well there is this little town called Oak Ridge that may make the Smokies and NE Tennessee a poor choice to go to in a nuclear war.

 

[LittleVol]

Read this book. It’s non-fiction, but was written with input from our military. It shows how quickly society will break down during a massive catastrophic event, and it is eye opening to how it will affect people, such as diabetics once they can’t get insulin anymore. This book changed the way I live, especially with having multiple plans of where to go and printed maps if multiple regions because traveling on primary roads would probably be shut down completely.

One Second After - Wikipedia

"One Second After"

Thanks for that!

Yeah! I have a detailed map.
- no gps anymore
- no telephone and calling for directions
- possibly no traffic signs

I actually have been practicing with maping the night sky too. Just in case we have to move by night and the sky is clear.

That's cool that you have a variety of options. The place I'm going is near here:

 

[LittleVol]

Well there is this little town called Oak Ridge that may make the Smokies and NE Tennessee a poor choice to go to in a nuclear war.

I'm very familiar with all that,

And also Sweetwater TN. The many caves from the Lost Sea on down through southeast TN all the way to Chattanooga are many places someone could ride that out.

Those Smokey mountains have survived worst than a Nuclear blastS.