FBI, Lowder, Dye Etc Unbelievable Summary on the Newton Situation (Must Read)

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To all of the people debating about AU being forced out or allowed to stay in the SEC:

What about the part where Slive knows? Maybe he decides to make a push to get them out to save his own behind. I think the other schools would force AU out just because it could generate a guilty by association vibe about here. Other schools would jump at the chance to come to the SEC because of the money and there would be no trouble trying to find a replacement even if they don't make the same money as AU they wouldn't be as corrupt. Just my two cents I could be way off on that.
 
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mchandl7 said:
Losing accreditation is terrible for the university.
Their degrees would be almost worthless. Their students would have a hard time being admitted to other schools grad schools, professional boards would likely refuse to allow their graduates to sit for professional examination, and faculty would begin to abandon the place as fast as they could.
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glhal2814 said:
I posted this in another thread originally, but it applies here here too:

I think its automatic that Auburn gets kicked out if they lose SACS accreditation based on SEC charter.

But they aren't going to lose accreditation no matter what happened with the guys on the board. SACS is not going to strip accreditation from a school with that many alumni and that active enrollment at a Public University. Alabama has a govenor, two Senators, a pack of congressmen, a state legislature, and bunch of alumni lawyers and alumni judges that would prevent that.

Accreditation loss is a risk for small schools, not big publics.
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Big schools can lose accreditation just like small ones but the effect would be small and short-lived.

Generally you don't "lose" accreditation. You are put on "continuing review" or other term which means you failed in your re-accreditation bid and have a specific set of changes that are required to receive full re-accreditation. Usually continuing review is used when they think the school isn't taking accreditation seriously and it's a tool to force compliance to academic standards.

The talk of Auburn losing SACS accreditation is small not because of politics but because of how accreditation works. Likewise, if they are temporarily non-accredited it won't have any major impact on students getting into grad school etc.
 
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i read people saying that auburn brings too much money to SEC to get kicked out. well what money would they bring in if they were given the death penalty? and would the other schools even want a black eye (auburn) in the conference if this is true?
 
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aredfox28 said:
i read people saying that auburn brings too much money to SEC to get kicked out. well what money would they bring in if they were given the death penalty? and would the other schools even want a black eye (auburn) in the conference if this is true?
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That was my point a few post back. I honestly don't think they would be bringing the money in if they were on the death penalty. Even if it's just football are their basketball programs going to bring in a profit? What about all the other sports? I think not.
 
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its not like they're a powerhouse in basketball or anything. they wouldnt be on television, or give the SEC anykind of exposure.(except negative) so why keep them?
 
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volinbham said:
Big schools can lose accreditation just like small ones but the effect would be small and short-lived.

Generally you don't "lose" accreditation. You are put on "continuing review" or other term which means you failed in your re-accreditation bid and have a specific set of changes that are required to receive full re-accreditation. Usually continuing review is used when they think the school isn't taking accreditation seriously and it's a tool to force compliance to academic standards.

The talk of Auburn losing SACS accreditation is small not because of politics but because of how accreditation works. Likewise, if they are temporarily non-accredited it won't have any major impact on students getting into grad school etc.
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You can completely lose accreditation. Look at Knoxville College. They completely lost it had to start from scratch. That wouldn't happen at Auburn ever, which is my point. Knoxville College is a small, private, historically black college with a small student body, small alumni and very little political clout. The SACS can pull accreditation from them with very little fall out.

Auburn is a huge university that is very well regarded academically in engineering, with a huge alumni base that is very well politically connected. Auburn has already been put on the most strict version of continuing review / probation that can be done by SACS this decade, and the worst they would do is that again - but not because they don't pull accreditation in general. They specifically wouldn't pull it from a big university, like Auburn.

Essentially, you can be too big to fail if you are the SACS. They know the tail wags the dog in that case, which is why Lowder pretty much told them where to stick it. He knew they were dueling with blanks, and the worst that would happen is some staff guys he never deals with had to spend a year doing extra paperwork.
 
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Man alive, if this goes down you better believe the SEC will take a HUGE black eye for this. I mean Auburn will bear the brunt of this coming storm but they are a member of this conference and outside of this conference they represent all of us. A sad day for this league for sure.
 
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aredfox28 said:
you don't think they would if they got the death penalty?
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If even a fraction of this is true, Auburn would get put on the kind of probation that kills a program. We are talking significant scholarship reductions, post season bans and just about everything else short of a TV ban. If the majority of it is true... Auburn football as it has existed will end, I honestly believe if these infractions are accurate that Auburn football may get shut down. If it doesn't get shut down they will certainly be kicked out of the conference and most likely become an independent with a partial TV ban(games like the Iron bowl would likely still make it on TV).
 
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Cartervol said:
Auburn is ignoring the fact he's pretty much ineligible right now, they're all in. Man they have some true idiots running that program. I'd be very pissed if i were a Auburn fan right now. They want a championship so bad they're willing to cut their own throats for the next decade to get it. They all must have unibrows, it is Alabama afterall.
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If half of this is true they may never see an above .500 season again.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
AU's only saving grace might be the potential to separate Cam from Cecil and pretend that a Chinese wall existed between the two. Without substantial proof, Cam can't be implicated with his dad. AU is in trouble, but they might find the kid to be truthful and tread lighter.
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Doesn't matter, even if Cam is completely ignorant of what has gone on, Auburn is still responsible for it's actions and if money exchanged hands, ignorance is no excuse, he'll be ineligible and AU will get the death penalty.
 
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NickZ4UT said:
Doesn't matter, even if Cam is completely ignorant of what has gone on, Auburn is still responsible for it's actions and if money exchanged hands, ignorance is no excuse, he'll be ineligible and AU will get the death penalty.
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I originally gave him the benefit of the doubt but after reading "As the Plains Burn" I believe he knew what was going on. I don't think he was the only one either.
 
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ZWVol11 said:
I originally gave him the benefit of the doubt but after reading "As the Plains Burn" I believe he knew what was going on. I don't think he was the only one either.
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There's just no way, I mean look at what his dad has been saying "if money was solicited, we knew nothing about it". That is called damage control, Cecil knows it's about to get ugly and he is trying to plead ignorance. They knew exactly what they were doing, both of them and everyone involved is going to pay.
 
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Also, a story like this doesn't break unless there is some credence to it, these are the kind of accusations that if false get you super sued.

edit: as well the involvement of the FBI is a HUGE red flag.
 
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ZWVol11 said:
I originally gave him the benefit of the doubt but after reading "As the Plains Burn" I believe he knew what was going on. I don't think he was the only one either.
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He's the highest payed player on the team.... C'mon man... Of course he knew... From the looks of it he is just one of many getting a 'check'..
 
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I know I mentioned in my post a couple pages back about Slive having the power to withhold their portion of the tv and/or bowl money if they get tv/postseason bans, but another thought hit me this morning on this. Can ESPN and/or CBS withhold 1/12th of the TV contract for those years since Auburn would not be part of the deal if they got a tv ban handed down? I know some say they can't be discredited/kicked out/given the death penalty because of the economic impact, so do u think this holds true with a tv ban too. If it were to be enforced, the Iron Bowl wouldn't be able to be televised, etc. This would have a bigger impact on the SEC as a whole. It may come down to the fact that they can hurt the Auburn economy or the whole SEC economy. If the sanctions were stiff enough, the SEC may have no choice but to put them on some type of suspension/SEC death penalty u might say, add an a&m or (enter the college you would admit to the SEC) and plug them into Auburn's SEC schedule for that time to save the revenue of the other schools in the conference. As I said, this will all be interesting to watch. This may end up defining just how much clout the NCAA and, effectively the SEC and Slive, really have.
 
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WOW is all I can say to the posters who believe AU will get kicked out of the SEC. Most likely the same chicken littles who claimed BP would go out of buisness because of the oil spill.

Let's look at it from a reality standpoint:
1- The NCAA will not give them the death penalty, just not going to happen.

2- They will not be banned from TV, do you really think the NCAA will keep home games at BAMA, UF, UT and GA off of TV? No I wouldn't think so there would be a sh*& storm if that happened, the NCAA know it and will not do it again. Way more money involved now than in the 80's.

3- Do you think the congressional delagation from AL would stand by for that? NO they would crawl up the NCAA's behind with hearings. The NCAA is way too shady to want that.

4- The Bamers (actual bamers that donate) don't want them gone. What would Bama be without AU? There wouldn't be anyone around to take the heat for their shady dealings.
 
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hog88 said:
WOW is all I can say to the posters who believe AU will get kicked out of the SEC. Most likely the same chicken littles who claimed BP would go out of buisness because of the oil spill.

Let's look at it from a reality standpoint:
1- The NCAA will not give them the death penalty, just not going to happen.

2- They will not be banned from TV, do you really think the NCAA will keep home games at BAMA, UF, UT and GA off of TV? No I wouldn't think so there would be a sh*& storm if that happened, the NCAA know it and will not do it again. Way more money involved now than in the 80's.

3- Do you think the congressional delagation from AL would stand by for that? NO they would crawl up the NCAA's behind with hearings. The NCAA is way too shady to want that.

4- The Bamers (actual bamers that donate) don't want them gone. What would Bama be without AU? There wouldn't be anyone around to take the heat for their shady dealings.
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lol..who could argue with sound reasoning like that? I don't know what is going to become of the barn, but it won't have anything to do with any reason that is listed here.
 
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hog88 said:
WOW is all I can say to the posters who believe AU will get kicked out of the SEC. Most likely the same chicken littles who claimed BP would go out of buisness because of the oil spill.

Let's look at it from a reality standpoint:
1- The NCAA will not give them the death penalty, just not going to happen.

2- They will not be banned from TV, do you really think the NCAA will keep home games at BAMA, UF, UT and GA off of TV? No I wouldn't think so there would be a sh*& storm if that happened, the NCAA know it and will not do it again. Way more money involved now than in the 80's.

3- Do you think the congressional delagation from AL would stand by for that? NO they would crawl up the NCAA's behind with hearings. The NCAA is way too shady to want that.

4- The Bamers (actual bamers that donate) don't want them gone. What would Bama be without AU? There wouldn't be anyone around to take the heat for their shady dealings.
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As all of my posts have mentioned, if this stuff is proven, it will all boil down to how powerful the NCAA and the SEC really are. If AU gets by with a slap on the wrist(and in this case, what USC got was a slap on the wrist), the NCAA loses all of its credibility and or appearance of power. In effect, right now we look at the NCAA as The Incredible Hulk. This would be akin to them removing their mask and revealing the face underneath and it being...........Richard Simmons.
 
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