FBI, Lowder, Dye Etc Unbelievable Summary on the Newton Situation (Must Read)

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EZE said:
Why would they? There would be no upside. If he is ineligible, the damage is already done. Sitting him now isn't going to change any of that.

Auburn has already put all of its chips in the middle of the table. It really is backed into a corner at this point. It has no choice but wait and see the turn of the cards. It is either going to come out smelling completely like a rose or erupt into a huge mushroom cloud. I don't see much middle ground on this.
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I think they should sit him. That's like a murderer on the run thinking "i've already gone too far, might as well not ever give up", while the cop is giving him a plea deal right there. Sitting him now might reduce the penalty from 50 scholarship reductions to say 40 or 45, and a bowl ban from 5 years to 4 years, or a TV ban from 2 years to 1 year. It would be worth it...
 
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manfromtn said:
What would happen on the SEC situation if they received the death penalty? Would the 12 member rule affect us on the SECCG? I know nothing has been proven, but as I said before, if half of this is proven true, they will be the next SMU.
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I mentioned the same thing earlier.

The SECCG is such a cash cow and requires teh SEC being a 12 team conference, if Slive isn't calling up A&M and offering them everything but Cam Newton to make them the 13th/14th team by the start of next season, he is a fool.
 
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PennVol said:
I think they should sit him. That's like a murderer on the run thinking "i've already gone too far, might as well not ever give up", while the cop is giving him a plea deal right there. Sitting him now might reduce the penalty from 50 scholarship reductions to say 40 or 45, and a bowl ban from 5 years to 4 years, or a TV ban from 2 years to 1 year. It would be worth it...
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Auburn isn't run be people who think like normal human beings though.

Its run by Lowder. He's trampled rules and run rough shod over people his whole life, he's not going to change his ways now.

He's doubling down.
 
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volinbham said:
To be honest I don't know if SACS and the SEC have anything to do with each other.

SACS is an academic accrediting board that many schools throughout the South particpate in.

I don't know that the SEC has a SACS requirement for membership and when schools "lose" accreditation is generally a short-term situation.
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I would imagine its a requirement to be a member of the SEC. Its SACS stripped it for 3 yrs (assuming it is a requirement), they'd be out of the league for 3 yrs.
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Auburn makes the league too much money, they won't get the death penalty. It's usually why the sanctions are never that severe, it's all about the money. They get 5 years max, 3 year bowl ban, somewhere around 40 scholarships taken. This all being hypothetical of course. In a league as competitive as the SEC this would just about be the equivalent of the death penalty. The new Vandy for 5, 6 years.
 
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glhal2814 said:
Auburn isn't run be people who think like normal human beings though.

Its run by Lowder. He's trampled rules and run rough shod over people his whole life, he's not going to change his ways now.

He's doubling down.
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agree, i'm just stating the reason why they should sit him. I don't think they will sit him at all. The more that comes out, the more Auburn fans deny and play the victim card.

It's like the old joke of the guy who walks into the doctor's office and says "hey Doc, i think I'm dead." The Dr says "no your not", and the guy says "yes I am!!" So the Dr. says "watch this" and pricks his finger to show him blood running out, proving he has a pulse and is alive. The guy looks at his bleeding finger, and then says "what do you know, dead people do bleed!"
 
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PennVol said:
I think they should sit him. That's like a murderer on the run thinking "i've already gone too far, might as well not ever give up", while the cop is giving him a plea deal right there. Sitting him now might reduce the penalty from 50 scholarship reductions to say 40 or 45, and a bowl ban from 5 years to 4 years, or a TV ban from 2 years to 1 year. It would be worth it...
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They're using the "Clinton Defense":


DENY, DENY, DENY!


If you're caught red handed, THEN........


DENY, DENY, DENY!
 
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PennVol said:
I think they should sit him. That's like a murderer on the run thinking "i've already gone too far, might as well not ever give up", while the cop is giving him a plea deal right there. Sitting him now might reduce the penalty from 50 scholarship reductions to say 40 or 45, and a bowl ban from 5 years to 4 years, or a TV ban from 2 years to 1 year. It would be worth it...
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You don't cut a deal if you have a slam dunk case.

If half these allegations are true, Auburn's getting the electric chair. Can Newton's on-field play is just a "last meal", so to speak. You might as well enjoy it, because it's all over once you're done.
 
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PennVol said:
agree, i'm just stating the reason why they should sit him. I don't think they will sit him at all. The more that comes out, the more Auburn fans deny and play the victim card. . . .
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You are right about the part that Auburn could possibly shave a year off this, but only if its not already bad enough to get the Death Penalty.

If its Death Penalty bad though, you might as well ride that thing until the wheels fall off it.

And if Lowder and company are looking at any sort of criminal proceedings as part of a FBI investigation, as suggested in the initial article that kicked off the posts, they have to keep playing him like nothing is wrong.
 
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Cartervol said:
Auburn makes the league too much money, they won't get the death penalty. It's usually why the sanctions are never that severe, it's all about the money. They get 5 years max, 3 year bowl ban, somewhere around 40 scholarships taken. This all being hypothetical of course. In a league as competitive as the SEC this would just about be the equivalent of the death penalty. The new Vandy for 5, 6 years.
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:good!: I'm glad someone gets it. Even if all of this is true, every last rumor, AU will not get the death penalty or kicked out of the SEC. We will never see the death penalty again, why, $$$$$$$$$$. As a member of the SEC they generate way to much money, what is the football program's impact on the local economy?

Times have changed since the 80's no way the NCAA would get away with shutting down a major program like AU without getting 2 senators 7 congressmen up their a!! Believe me the NCAA does not want full blown congresional hearings into their decision making.
 
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Jaytrain5 said:
You don't cut a deal if you have a slam dunk case.

If half these allegations are true, Auburn's getting the electric chair. Can Newton's on-field play is just a "last meal", so to speak. You might as well enjoy it, because it's all over once you're done.
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I tend to agree with you, JT.
 
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volinbham said:
Just an alternative theory (that I'm not claiming; just presenting).

Cam looks set to go to MSU anyway. Cecil thinks to himself "maybe I can get some cash out of this". When MSU doesn't play ball he say screw you we'll go to Auburn. The Cam statement about the "money" could refer to the fact that MSU didn't pay not necessarily that Auburn did.

Perhaps they felt his chance to be a star and get paid (NFL) was better at Auburn after they heard the Auburn pitch. Auburn is higher profile than MSU and looked to have a better pathway to TV time and championship potential than MSU.

Just a possible explanation.
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"Scam is snow white" theory, eh? :crazy:
 
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hog88 said:
:good!: I'm glad someone gets it. Even if all of this is true, every last rumor, AU will not get the death penalty or kicked out of the SEC. We will never see the death penalty again, why, $$$$$$$$$$. As a member of the SEC they generate way to much money, what is the football program's impact on the local economy?

Times have changed since the 80's no way the NCAA would get away with shutting down a major program like AU without getting 2 senators 7 congressmen up their a!! Believe me the NCAA does not want full blown congresional hearings into their decision making.
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I have no idea if Auburn will get kicked out of the SEC or not, but it won't be because they generate too much money. Auburn is easily replaceable and there are plenty of schools chomping at the bit to take their place. I don't think the SEC gives a damn what the financial impact on auburn alabama is.
 
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Volfan76 said:
I have no idea if Auburn will get kicked out of the SEC or not, but it won't be because they generate too much money. Auburn is easily replaceable and there are plenty of schools chomping at the bit to take their place. I don't think the SEC gives a damn what the financial impact on auburn alabama is.
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If people think abuurn's value to the conference is worth more than a texas school for tv market alone then they've lost their mind.
 
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hog88 said:
:good!: I'm glad someone gets it. Even if all of this is true, every last rumor, AU will not get the death penalty or kicked out of the SEC. We will never see the death penalty again, why, $$$$$$$$$$. As a member of the SEC they generate way to much money, what is the football program's impact on the local economy?

Times have changed since the 80's no way the NCAA would get away with shutting down a major program like AU without getting 2 senators 7 congressmen up their a!! Believe me the NCAA does not want full blown congresional hearings into their decision making.
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And Auburn doesn't want all of their dealings from Bowden exposed either. They won't get the death penalty, but it will be very harsh and will make USC's penalty pale in comparison.
 
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Volfan76 said:
I have no idea if Auburn will get kicked out of the SEC or not, but it won't be because they generate too much money. Auburn is easily replaceable and there are plenty of schools chomping at the bit to take their place. I don't think the SEC gives a damn what the financial impact on auburn alabama is.
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This. While Auburn may generate a ton of revenue, they only do so because they have the good fortune of being one of the 12 institutions that comprise the SEC. It would seem that one of the Texas schools could easily take their place and generate just as much if not significantly more revenue for the conference.
 
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hog88 said:
:good!: I'm glad someone gets it. Even if all of this is true, every last rumor, AU will not get the death penalty or kicked out of the SEC. We will never see the death penalty again, why, $$$$$$$$$$. As a member of the SEC they generate way to much money, what is the football program's impact on the local economy?

Times have changed since the 80's no way the NCAA would get away with shutting down a major program like AU without getting 2 senators 7 congressmen up their a!! Believe me the NCAA does not want full blown congresional hearings into their decision making.
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Thats what they said about SMU too. I don't know what will happen, but if it is all proven true and they don't get the death penalty, they will wish they had of received it because the economic effect will be as bad or worse. Do you think they could compete in the SEC west with 10 scholarships less per year than everyone else? On top of that, if all these mega-boosters go to jail or are banned from having anything to do with the program, they will effectively be going backwards financially. I don't see the SEC throwing them out, but Slive could decide to not pay them their portion of the TV and bowl revenue if they can't play on TV or in a bowl for a few years and, IMO, he should. No matter the outcome, this is definitely going to be interesting to watch.
 
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tigervol9802 said:
If people think abuurn's value to the conference is worth more than a texas school for tv market alone then they've lost their mind.
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I agree. In fact, my guess is that the SEC would not lose a nickel by substituting FSU or Clemson for Auburn. The only problem would be getting SC/UF to go along with it. A Texas school or Missou would make the most sense.
 
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