Federal Indictment of Donald Trump

[lawgator1]

Being a swamp rat, not surprised. He was under Bush too so there you have it. See LG, I’m not like you. Dims and Repubes politicians are crooks. You only think the Reps are crooks.

That's not true, there are plenty of Democrats that I believe are either fundamentally worthless or complete crooks.

But in Trump Cult World, a guy like Barr you worship --- as long as he is adherent to the mindless cult slurper rules of Trumpism. But the moment anyone from that camp breaks ranks and says, hey wait a second .... you turn on him like rabid dogs.

 

[hog88]

That's not true, there are plenty of Democrats that I believe are either fundamentally worthless or complete crooks.

But in Trump Cult World, a guy like Barr you worship --- as long as he is adherent to the mindless cult slurper rules of Trumpism. But the moment anyone from that camp breaks ranks and says, hey wait a second .... you turn on him like rabid dogs.

I don't recall a lot if any worship or even defense of Barr when he was AG.

 

[Sudden Impact]

Top Secret documents have to logged out and back in and they have inventories, the custodian of those documents would have known they were missing within a day. The .gov knew Snowden took top secret documents electronically within a day or 2 after he took them.

Do you actually think that we have all the facts regarding what is up with these documents? No, there is no way that we will know in the short or in maybe in our lifetime. It reeks of incompetence on everybody's part, it is criminal, too many liars in the cookie jar, fingers being pointed in every direction. The whole truth may never come out.
Believe nothing of what you hear and half of what you see and assume nothing.

 

[hog88]

Do you actually think that we have all the facts regarding what is up with these documents? No, there is no way that we will know in the short or in maybe in our lifetime. It reeks of incompetence on everybody's part, it is criminal, too many liars in the cookie jar, fingers being point in every direction. The whole truth may never come out.
Believe nothing of what you hear and half of what you see and assume nothing.

Of course I don't believe we have all the facts, I don't believe we will ever have all of the facts. You all too often take what you read or hear as fact and run with it all the while ignoring what little facts we do have.

 

[lawgator1]

I don't recall a lot if any worship or even defense of Barr when he was AG.

When Barr's DOJ dropped the Flynn prosecution:

“Bill Barr is a man of unbelievable credibility and courage and he’s going to go down on the history books,” Trump told “Fox & Friends” on Friday.

 

[hog88]

When Barr's DOJ dropped the Flynn prosecution:

“Bill Barr is a man of unbelievable credibility and courage and he’s going to go down on the history books,” Trump told “Fox & Friends” on Friday.

Oh, I thought you were talking about from the general public on this board. Sure Trump always praised people who pleased him.


BTW, Barr did the right thing in regards to Flynn.

 

[Sudden Impact]

Of course I don't believe we have all the facts, I don't believe we will ever have all of the facts. You all too often take what you read or hear as fact and run with it all the while ignoring what little facts we do have.

I am not running with anything.
Do I think Trump committed several crimes? Yes
Do I think Trump is unfit for Office? Yes
Do I think the Democrats are Blood Thirsty? Yes
Do I totally think we need to hand every Congressperson their Pink Slip? and start from scratch.
Do I think Biden is fit for office, No.
Do I think that Trump will be indicted? Yes, to many cases against him DOJ, NY, GA and others at State and Federal levels. Then add several hundred civil suits that will eventually follow.

I guess I should ask you what is your desired outcome or End State regarding Trump when all this is said and done?

 

[hog88]

I am not running with anything.
Do I think Trump committed several crimes? Yes
Do I think Trump is unfit for Office? Yes
Do I think the Democrats are Blood Thirsty? Yes
Do I totally think we need to hand every Congressperson their Pink Slip? and start from scratch.
Do I think Biden is fit for office, No.
Do I think that Trump will be indicted? Yes, to many cases against him DOJ, NY, GA and others at State and Federal levels. Then add several hundred civil suits that will eventually follow.

I guess I should ask you what is your desired outcome or End State regarding Trump when all this is said and done?

My desired outcome is for Trump to fade away into obscurity and our federal government to be exposed for the corrupt organization it is.

 

[GroverCleveland]

When Barr's DOJ dropped the Flynn prosecution:

“Bill Barr is a man of unbelievable credibility and courage and he’s going to go down on the history books,” Trump told “Fox & Friends” on Friday.

Perhaps I'm mistaken, but your post @hog88 was responding to seemed to imply you were talking about us, not Trump, but here you quote Trump. To whom were you referring to in your original post?

I don't put much stock in Trump's support or criticism of anyone. It seems to have a shelf life of only days one way or the other.

I do think Barr always presents a well-reasoned argument for his actions and opinions. Once or twice, I didn't like it, but I completely understood where he was coming from. Just finished watching an interview with him on Fox. He does think Trump had documents he should not have had. He explained the potential why a lot of stuff was seized that seemingly has nothing to do with the targeted documents. His opinion is the government will have the technical reasons to make a case against Trump.

He then said he hopes the government finds a way to not indict Trump, a former President; that would be a bad precedent to set, but there will be substantial pressure to do so. I can understand this reasoning. I thought it was right for Bill Clinton to be impeached for lying under oath and also right to not remove him from office because of the nature of the case for which he was caught lying. The impeachment was punishment enough.

I will add, in response to an earlier post of yours, I disagree Barr completely agrees with Adam Schiff on this or is even close. Schiff is utterly incapable of articulating any argument in the manner of Bill Barr.

 

[C-south]

When pencil neck responds you know it’s a sham.

 

[Sudden Impact]

My desired outcome is for Trump to fade away into obscurity and our federal government to be exposed for the corrupt organization it is.

We totally Agree.

Our Problems are basically the same Trump will not Fade away and Congress (Dem & Rep) will never exposed their selves politically, but will behind closed doors with teenage girls and same gender mates or children.

 

[GroverCleveland]

My desired outcome is for Trump to fade away into obscurity and our federal government to be exposed for the corrupt organization it is.

Hear! Hear!

 

[lawgator1]

Perhaps I'm mistaken, but your post @hog88 was responding to seemed to imply you were talking about us, not Trump, but here you quote Trump. To whom were you referring to in your original post?

I don't put much stock in Trump's support or criticism of anyone. It seems to have a shelf life of only days one way or the other.

I do think Barr always presents a well-reasoned argument for his actions and opinions. Once or twice, I didn't like it, but I completely understood where he was coming from. Just finished watching an interview with him on Fox. He does think Trump had documents he should not have had. He explained the potential why a lot of stuff was seized that seemingly has nothing to do with the targeted documents. His opinion is the government will have the technical reasons to make a case against Trump.

He then said he hopes the government finds a way to not indict Trump, a former President; that would be a bad precedent to set, but there will be substantial pressure to do so. I can understand this reasoning. I thought it was right for Bill Clinton to be impeached for lying under oath and also right to not remove him from office because of the nature of the case for which he was caught lying. The impeachment was punishment enough.

I will add, in response to an earlier post of yours, I disagree Barr completely agrees with Adam Schiff on this or is even close. Schiff is utterly incapable of articulating any argument in the manner of Bill Barr.

I don't have the time or inclination to go back and hunt for all the posts on this forum in the 2017-18 time-frame wherein Trump defenders were in love with Barr. I promise you they exist. And I think you known I'm right.

But in the end the fact that there is a never ending conveyor belt of people who just a few years ago were Trump cult members and have come out the other side of their experience warning what a danger he is, has not persuaded you so far. Barr is just another one .

One day, maybe you will take an objective look at it ask yourselves why it is so many once Trump adherents now seem determined to tell it like it actually is and that the man has no business ever, EVER, being in office EVER again.

 

[Majors]

When pencil neck responds you know it’s a sham.

Same guy who ran an impeachment knowing he had nothing. He tried to convince the country as Covid made its way here as a convenient distraction.

 

[GroverCleveland]

I don't have the time or inclination to go back and hunt for all the posts on this forum in the 2017-18 time-frame wherein Trump defenders were in love with Barr. I promise you they exist. And I think you known I'm right.

I think a lot of people liked Barr for the reasons I outlined. The man does a very good job of articulating the reasons for his actions/opinions as I said above. I never understood the visceral hatred of him by people who could not come up with a cogent reason for their disagreements with him, but there is little one can do to explain Democrats.

But in the end the fact that there is a never ending conveyor belt of people who just a few years ago were Trump cult members and have come out the other side of their experience warning what a danger he is, has not persuaded you so far. Barr is just another one .

I do not know any Trump cult members. I know there were people in the administration who came out of it with bruised feelings and egos. I understand that because I think I understand the nature of a man like Trump. Have no idea what you mean by the boldface part.

One day, maybe you will take an objective look at it ask yourselves why it is so many once Trump adherents now seem determined to tell it like it actually is and that the man has no business ever, EVER, being in office EVER again.

Dude, I've read many of your posts and if anyone needs to step back and take an objective look at things you are one several on this board. There are a good number of folks on here, like myself, that maintain Trump's policies were substantially better than what we have or have had, while also decrying the circus that surrounded him. I do not want him to run again. Did not vote for him in the primary and will not if he runs again. But as bad as he was, I thought, and still do think, he was much better than Hillary would have been and can hardly believe anyone truly believes the current moron in the White House is even marginally competent. But you and others are so blinded by your hatred of the man, you do not even have the decency to admit there were things he did better than either Bush, Obama or Dumba55 Biden.

 

[lawgator1]

I think a lot of people liked Barr for the reasons I outlined. The man does a very good job of articulating the reasons for his actions/opinions as I said above. I never understood the visceral hatred of him by people who could not come up with a cogent reason for their disagreements with him, but there is little one can do to explain Democrats.



I do not know any Trump cult members. I know there were people in the administration who came out of it with bruised feelings and egos. I understand that because I think I understand the nature of a man like Trump. Have no idea what you mean by the boldface part.



Dude, I've read many of your posts and if anyone needs to step back and take an objective look at things you are one several on this board. There are a good number of folks on here, like myself, that maintain Trump's policies were substantially better than what we have or have had, while also decrying the circus that surrounded him. I do not want him to run again. Did not vote for him in the primary and will not if he runs again. But as bad as he was, I thought, and still do think, he was much better than Hillary would have been and can hardly believe anyone truly believes the current moron in the White House is even marginally competent. But you and others are so blinded by your hatred of the man, you do not even have the decency to admit there were things he did better than either Bush, Obama or Dumba55 Biden.

You think the press secretaries, Barr, Bolton, etc., just have bruised egos because Rrump has a strong personality???? You REALLY think that explains their comments about Trump? How unqualified he is?

Trump TOOK hundreds of classified documents with him from the WH, some with the highest of ratings, and would not give them back when pressed to do so. Don't you wonder why he would have done such a thing, and why he'd refuse requests to return them ?

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

Trump TOOK hundreds of classified documents with him from the WH, some with the highest of ratings, and would not give them back when pressed to do so. Don't you wonder why he would have done such a thing, and why he'd refuse requests to return them ?

You forgot the part about when they finally got them back through an fbi raid, many of the MOST secretive folders were EMPTY. Where are my documents frumpy?

 

[GroverCleveland]

You think the press secretaries, Barr, Bolton, etc., just have bruised egos because Rrump has a strong personality???? You REALLY think that explains their comments about Trump? How unqualified he is?

The TDS is strong in you, plus a decided intent to misread responses to you. This bit of diatribe is not worth a response.

Trump TOOK hundreds of classified documents with him from the WH, some with the highest of ratings, and would not give them back when pressed to do so. Don't you wonder why he would have done such a thing, and why he'd refuse requests to return them ?

You claim to be a lawyer, but do not appear to have been anywhere near a trial based on your willingness to indict and convict on news reports.
(1) We do not know the full nature of what was taken from the WH.
(2) There are conflicting statements about what Trump did or did not do when requested to return documents.

I prefer to hold judgement until all the facts and legal wranglings are completed. I would say I agree with Bill Barr in the interview he did, which I touched on earlier.

 

[hog88]

You think the press secretaries, Barr, Bolton, etc., just have bruised egos because Rrump has a strong personality???? You REALLY think that explains their comments about Trump? How unqualified he is?

Trump TOOK hundreds of classified documents with him from the WH, some with the highest of ratings, and would not give them back when pressed to do so. Don't you wonder why he would have done such a thing, and why he'd refuse requests to return them ?

Keeps them in the spotlight and helps sell their books.

 

[happy-go_vol]

When you start peeling back all the layers, it's obvious the doj is in a witch hunt, as the NY thug ag. It was good the judge did this and only fair. The doj is determined to railroad Trump, nothing more. It is comedy how you lib dolts attack this judge. This judge isn't some DC hack with an agenda.

 

[lawgator1]

When you start peeling back all the layers, it's obvious the doj is in a witch hunt, as the NY thug ag. It was good the judge did this and only fair. The doj is determined to railroad Trump, nothing more. It is comedy how you lib dolts attack this judge. This judge isn't some DC hack with an agenda.

I have yet to attack the judge. Look at my posts. I also am not sure an appeal of her ruling on the special master is wise at this juncture.

I did say, however, that if she continues the stay of the criminal investigation past a few weeks for the special master review, then I do think action must be taken by the DOJ to address it because otherwise we run the risk of the trail going cold. The investigation into exactly what the F#CK Trump was doing with all this stuff cannot be allowed to wither.

 

[happy-go_vol]

I have yet to attack the judge. Look at my posts. I also am not sure an appeal of her ruling on the special master is wise at this juncture.

I did say, however, that if she continues the stay of the criminal investigation past a few weeks for the special master review, then I do think action must be taken by the DOJ to address it because otherwise we run the risk of the trail going cold. The investigation into exactly what the F#CK Trump was doing with all this stuff cannot be allowed to wither.

I'm not say you specifically, more of the media.

It's a witch hunt by the doj. It's the same as NY going after Bannon. He'd already been pardoned by Trump, but they're going to continue going after him. It's what Cuba, Russia do to their political enemies.

 

[lawgator1]

I'm not say you specifically, more of the media.

It's a witch hunt by the doj. It's the same as NY going after Bannon. He'd already been pardoned by Trump, but they're going to continue going after him. It's what Cuba, Russia do to their political enemies.

It doesn't bother you that Trump took those documents to his residence? It doesn't bother rypunhe refused to give them back? And it doesn't bother you that Bannon misappropriated funds ?

 

[volgr]

I'm not say you specifically, more of the media.

It's a witch hunt by the doj. It's the same as NY going after Bannon. He'd already been pardoned by Trump, but they're going to continue going after him. It's what Cuba, Russia do to their political enemies.

 

[hog88]

It doesn't bother you that Trump took those documents to his residence? It doesn't bother rypunhe refused to give them back? And it doesn't bother you that Bannon misappropriated funds ?

We don't know what documents he took or their importance so why should anyone be bothered at this point.