Federal Indictment of Donald Trump

[NCFisher]

The linked source was referencing the CNN report and was linked in the article.

Oh...why didn't you say so?! Now that's a good source, eh @lawgator1 ?

 

[GAVol]

Lol . . . This is a real graphic from the CNN article. What a lame attempt to minimize with "Some top secret" and showing document totals as if anything above zero isn't a problem.

 

[NCFisher]

Lol . . . This is a real graphic from the CNN article. What a lame attempt to minimize with "Some top secret" and showing document totals as if anything above zero isn't a problem.

They forgot -
VP/No Classification Authority | President/Classification Authority
Doc removal likely criminal | Doc removal not criminal

 

[JOEY’S ALL VOL !!!]

So ... when is the raid on Biden’s personal residence happening? Surely we can expect consistency and fairness in the application of law and justice here can’t we?

 

[BreatheUT]

Seems like a good source.

Biden needs to be shown no mercy.

 

[volfanhill]

Seems like a good source.

Seems like it happened. Are you going to call for Bidens head too? Of course not .

 

[Jxn Vol]

Wait a minute. Biden had a think tank?

Must have been the dumbest think tank in the history of think tanks.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

Lol . . . This is a real graphic from the CNN article. What a lame attempt to minimize with "Some top secret" and showing document totals as if anything above zero isn't a problem.

It looks like a meme. Lol.

 

[davethevol]

It looks like a meme. Lol.

That’s an astute observation, barkeep. Why, with that set of skills, they’ll be teaching you how correctly pour a beer in no time.

 

[UT_VOLS13]

It looks like a meme. Lol.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/10/politics/biden-classified-documents-trump-garland

 

[rekinhavoc]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/10/politics/biden-classified-documents-trump-garland

Clear distinctions? How do they even know at this point?

 

[BP4Prez]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/10/politics/biden-classified-documents-trump-garland

The distinction is one is a dem and the other Republican

 

[BP4Prez]

I'd bet money that they ALL do.

Exactly. This would be a non story until the Dems tried to make a ridiculous case against trump over this.

 

[lawgator1]

If you guys can't acknowledge the differences between the situations you have lost all objectivity.

 

[BreatheUT]

Clear distinctions? How do they even know at this point?

They were told weeks ago by the White House what to say once it would get exposed.

 

[davethevol]

If you guys can't acknowledge the differences between the situations you have lost all objectivity.

The difference is that Trump had the ability to declassify and Biden didn’t.

 

[AirVol]

If you guys can't acknowledge the differences between the situations you have lost all objectivity.

Guess I’ve lost mine, please do tell. I’ll wait for your spin.

 

[Jxn Vol]

If you guys can't acknowledge the differences between the situations you have lost all objectivity.

One has the authority to declassify documents and the other doesn’t.

Your daddy has the authority. The Ukraine loving Alzheimer patient that fondles children doesn’t.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

They forgot -
VP/No Classification Authority | President/Classification Authority
Doc removal likely criminal | Doc removal not criminal

This is maybe the stupidest argument ever made.

 

[0nelilreb]

If you guys can't acknowledge the differences between the situations you have lost all objectivity.

This maybe the biggest irony post on VN, you explaining to anyone on how to keep objectivity .

 

[ClearwaterVol]

The difference is that Trump had the ability to declassify and Biden didn’t.

You're a window licker

 

[0nelilreb]

The difference is .. one has the actual ability to take documents, the other doesn’t have the mental facilities to know that he has any documents that he’s not allowed to remove. My question is , which one was more dangerous to our national security system?

 

[LouderVol]

The difference is that Trump had the ability to declassify and Biden didn’t.

Not really. Trump didnt declassify. Its not a magic wand that applies post presidency. Doesnt matter if he HAD the power if he DIDN'T declassify.

There is no real distinction. Trump had higher clearance and more documents. Biden had lower clearance and fewer documents.

Trumps stuff were notes that dont seem all that important except for record keeping. And he fought turning them over, making them a bigger issue than they were. Biden's notes contain stuff about foreign relations. But he readily turned them over, so it never became an issue.

Biden had his for longer. Both kept them in unsecure locations, both will argue the others location is worse than theirs.

The only reason Trumos documents were an issue was because he fought it for some reason. If he let's them go it's a nothing burger.

 

[hog88]

If you guys can't acknowledge the differences between the situations you have lost all objectivity.

Please spell them out for us.

 

[lawgator1]

Not really. Trump didnt declassify. Its not a magic wand that applies post presidency. Doesnt matter if he HAD the power if he DIDN'T declassify.

There is no real distinction. Trump had higher clearance and more documents. Biden had lower clearance and fewer documents.

Trumps stuff were notes that dont seem all that important except for record keeping. And he fought turning them over, making them a bigger issue than they were. Biden's notes contain stuff about foreign relations. But he readily turned them over, so it never became an issue.

Biden had his for longer. Both kept them in unsecure locations, both will argue the others location is worse than theirs.

The only reason Trumos documents were an issue was because he fought it for some reason. If he let's them go it's a nothing burger.

The issue, particularly for criminal charges, is intent.

Given what we know it would appear there is no intent behind Biden having the documents and it is almost certainly just a mistake when he left. The fact it is so few and they were found during a move strongly suggests that.

Trump, on the other hand, had a large number of them and from reports many were not secure in any way. Even worse, it is evident that Trump intended to keep them because he turned down multiple requests for their return.

I'm not saying that there shouldn't be an investigation into it and I'm thinking we need some kind of official in the WH at the end of a term who is responsible for reviewing everything that leaves to make sure this does not happen again. But the dividing line between negligent and criminal in this situation is intent and we KNOW Trump had intent at least in keeping them and there is no evidence (and on the face of the situation no reason to think) that Biden had any intent.

And the question as to Trump remains why. Why on Earth would he keep so many documents when he'd been asked over and over to return them?