Federal Indictment of Donald Trump

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If it was me, I tell both to not run again, and it's just a public shaming, slap on the wrist type of punishment for both. If either runs again, the charges get ratcheted up.

But that's just me being bipartisan.
 
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Majors said:
Pretty aggressive take, but I just believe the left is hypocrites nothing more or less. Cant really say party of election denialism and endorse Stacey Abrams or even Al Gore. You elected a guy in a basement, not sure you need to toss out party of idiots when 81M the largest ever voted for him. No need to mention scientific research when your party encourages science to be the opposite of what it is. Males are males, females are females - proven science.
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I see he has come unglued again. He's been watching too much MSNBC.
 
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LouderVol said:
If it was me, I tell both to not run again, and it's just a public shaming, slap on the wrist type of punishment for both. If either runs again, the charges get ratcheted up.

But that's just me being bipartisan.
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Many years ago, I watched a documentary on how little effort Klaus ***hs had to go to in order to pass Manhattan Project details over to the Soviets ... He basically gave them everything on the fat man bomb. At the very least, it's safe to say that we have improved national security since then.

I doubt anything ever comes from this for either Trump or Biden. It's strictly a game of political posturing now.

Edit : when you try to type the last name F U C H S ... it gets auto-censored. LOL.
 
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LouderVol said:
If Trump thought he had rights to the files I would say it's hard to argue criminal intent.
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I'm sure at some point, Trump's attorneys explained the Presidential Records Act of 1978 to him, and how those files were not his personal property, but rather the property of the United States, once he left office in January of 2021. Your explanation doesn't wash. Trump simply doesn't think that the laws of this country apply to him.
 
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I'm sure at some point, Trump's attorneys explained the Presidential Records Act of 1978 to him, and how those files were not his personal property, but rather the property of the United States, once he left office in January of 2021. Your explanation doesn't wash. Trump simply doesn't think that the laws of this country apply to him.
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Now do Biden in that he was not the President of the United States at the time and stole documents and housed them in two separate locations that we know of. You want to toss out the Presidential Records Act of 1978 in regards to Trump but continuously avoid the current situation in that Biden should resign. A sitting President was found to have stolen documents for 6 years.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I'm sure at some point, Trump's attorneys explained the Presidential Records Act of 1978 to him, and how those files were not his personal property, but rather the property of the United States, once he left office in January of 2021. Your explanation doesn't wash. Trump simply doesn't think that the laws of this country apply to him.
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Surely you don't think Trump is alone in that respect. There's always been a market for documents signed by "famous" people, and documents are likely the thing many presidential biographies and period books are based on, so you imagine a lot of people try to hang on to documentation they consider the important things they've done. I'd bet what Trump and Biden have is the tip of the iceberg; there are probably plenty more "presidential" papers from previous administrations stashed around; and don't count on just presidents and VPs being the culprits. Aren't presidential libraries just an end run around NARA as the final resting place for documents?

I wouldn't count on there not being "underground" documentation of events as a means to evade the WH or administration document catalog that NARA would supposedly hold. I'm guessing Obama is reevaluating his hidden stash about now and deciding if he's buried it well enough. Multiply this by all the appointed positions including ambassadors, and you can bet there are literally tons of stolen documents out in the wild. Even if they aren't "original", imagine copy machines running wild; and with the quality these days, who is to say NARA actually has all the originals.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Many years ago, I watched a documentary on how little effort Klaus ***hs had to go to in order to pass Manhattan Project details over to the Soviets ... He basically gave them everything on the fat man bomb. At the very least, it's safe to say that we have improved national security since then.

I doubt anything ever comes from this for either Trump or Biden. It's strictly a game of political posturing now.

Edit : when you try to type the last name F U C H S ... it gets auto-censored. LOL.
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Have we really improved security, or is it an illusion? Look at the Snowden, Manning, Ellsberg cases; and there are others - just less notorious. We leak like a sieve. Without access to the information to back the claim, it's supposition, but I'd bet the bulk of security prosecutions or penalties have been against military or intelligence people who simply didn't cross a "t" or dot an "i". That's without even getting to hackers and Chinese moles working in places they shouldn't be. However, the place I'd look first for real leaks would be the cadres of the elected and their staffs - the arrogant, "we are better" crowd. Are the elected even vetted or subject to periodic review or polygraphs? The answer to any questions regarding obama's qualifications was that it didn't matter the people had spoken.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I'm sure at some point, Trump's attorneys explained the Presidential Records Act of 1978 to him, and how those files were not his personal property, but rather the property of the United States, once he left office in January of 2021. Your explanation doesn't wash. Trump simply doesn't think that the laws of this country apply to him.
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The last is probably true, but I still dont see it as intent. To be clear I dont see Biden as criminal intent either.

I would say the same thing applies to Biden. He was told, and he was also raised in the political world.
 
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Have we really improved security, or is it an illusion? Look at the Snowden, Manning, Ellsberg cases; and there are others - just less notorious. We leak like a sieve. Without access to the information to back the claim, it's supposition, but I'd bet the bulk of security prosecutions or penalties have been against military or intelligence people who simply didn't cross a "t" or dot an "i". That's without even getting to hackers and Chinese moles working in places they shouldn't be. However, the place I'd look first for real leaks would be the cadres of the elected and their staffs - the arrogant, "we are better" crowd. Are the elected even vetted or subject to periodic review or polygraphs? The answer to any questions regarding obama's qualifications was that it didn't matter the people had spoken.
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Who was the Congressman who had a Chinese spy as a driver?
 
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UT_VOLS13 said:
Correct
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Surely you don't think Trump is alone in that respect. There's always been a market for documents signed by "famous" people, and documents are likely the thing many presidential biographies and period books are based on, so you imagine a lot of people try to hang on to documentation they consider the important things they've done. I'd bet what Trump and Biden have is the tip of the iceberg; there are probably plenty more "presidential" papers from previous administrations stashed around; and don't count on just presidents and VPs being the culprits. Aren't presidential libraries just an end run around NARA as the final resting place for documents?

I wouldn't count on there not being "underground" documentation of events as a means to evade the WH or administration document catalog that NARA would supposedly hold. I'm guessing Obama is reevaluating his hidden stash about now and deciding if he's buried it well enough. Multiply this by all the appointed positions including ambassadors, and you can bet there are literally tons of stolen documents out in the wild. Even if they aren't "original", imagine copy machines running wild; and with the quality these days, who is to say NARA actually has all the originals.
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I read somewhere that among the items that Trump was reluctant to hand over to NARA were the so-called "love letters" that Kim Jong-un had sent him (basically, he was trying manipulate Trump by way of flattery).

It is also a tradition for a President to leave behind a note of encouragement and well-wishes for their successor in the Oval Office. Trump did not want to hand over the note that Obama had left him, because Obama had apparently complimented him ... and Trump loves that.

I think this was more about Trump's ego than anything else. He cherishes flattery.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I read somewhere that among the items that Trump was reluctant to hand over to NARA were the so-called "love letters" that Kim Jong-un had sent him (basically, he was trying manipulate Trump by way of flattery).

It is also a tradition for a President to leave behind a note of encouragement and well-wishes for their successor in the Oval Office. Trump did not want to hand over the note that Obama had left him, because Obama had apparently complimented him ... and Trump loves that.

I think this was more about Trump's ego than anything else. He cherishes flattery.
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You might be right, but isn't that basically true of any elected politician? Why do you think people work to be elected to office? Power and money would be one thing obviously, but what makes any person believe he or she is more capable than a more humble and down to earth person? If someone did a real objective dive into why someone seeks public office, I'd bet arrogance and narcissism would be the two strongest character traits.
 
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