Federal Indictment of Donald Trump

[Majors]

Don't you find it disturbing that the documents Trump had were know to have been missing - hence the subpoena, and the ones joe had for at least six years apparently either weren't known to be missing or their disappearance had been covered up? In one case you could evaluate the damage if the files were compromised, but the other set could have cause a lot of damage without any responsible person knowing and taking preventive/corrective measures. It's like a much worse case of multiple identity theft and financial fraud if some institution is hacked and loses millions of records containing our personal data without knowledge or with a cover up.

Liberal Privilege

 

[Majors]

Nothing is ever taken at face value by wingnuts on the right. There is a malicious, ulterior motive assigned to every action taken by a Democrat, and those affiliated with Democrats. Everything must involve some large sinister plot, which eventually circles it's way around to child molestation.

Republicans love conspiracies. Some new conspiracy emerges almost every month, and those who scoff at such nonsense are described as naive. You are the party of election denialism, PizzaGate and Q Anon. You are the party of the uneducated and disaffected. You are the party who rejects scientific research and discovery. You are the party of Trump. You are the party of idiots.

Pretty aggressive take, but I just believe the left is hypocrites nothing more or less. Cant really say party of election denialism and endorse Stacey Abrams or even Al Gore. You elected a guy in a basement, not sure you need to toss out party of idiots when 81M the largest ever voted for him. No need to mention scientific research when your party encourages science to be the opposite of what it is. Males are males, females are females - proven science.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Cant really say party of election denialism and endorse Stacey Abrams or even Al Gore.

I don't endorse Stacey Abrams.

Al Gore has never described the 2000 Presidential Election as having been rigged. He did contest the results and call for a manual recount in two Florida counties (Broward and Dade), up until the electoral college met and cast their votes ... and then he gave a concession speech, and would later attend George W. Bush's inauguration ... and that was despite having lost a much closer election than what Trump lost in 2020.

Al Gore lost the 2000 Presidential Election because he lost Florida by 568 votes. Who was the Governor of Florida at the time of that election? His opponent's brother. If Trump had lost his election under identical circumstances, his head would have exploded. Gore has never once said that election was rigged against him - NEVER.

You are the party of election denialism, conspiracy theories, and all around wingnuts.

 

[Majors]

I don't endorse Stacey Abrams.

Al Gore has never described the 2000 Presidential Election as having been rigged. He did contest the results and call for a manual recount in two Florida counties (Broward and Dade), up until the electoral college met and cast their votes ... and then he gave a concession speech, and would later attend George W. Bush's inauguration ... and that was despite having lost a much closer election than what Trump lost in 2020.

Al Gore lost the 2000 Presidential Election because he lost Florida by 568 votes. Who was the Governor of Florida at the time of that election? His opponent's brother. If Trump had lost his election under identical circumstance, his head would have exploded. Gore has never said that the election was rigged against him - NEVER.

You are the party of election denialism, conspiracy theories, and all around wingnuts.

Stacey denied the election, so therefore the party denied the election.

So because Gore lost by 568 and Jeb was his brother you believe it was rigged? That falls under conspiracy theory.

Winguts? The left had a Biden official trans stealing luggage from two airports.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Stacey denied the election, so therefore the party denied the election.

So because Gore lost by 568 and Jeb was his brother you believe it was rigged? That falls under conspiracy theory.

Winguts? The left had a Biden official trans stealing luggage from two airports.

Stacey Abrams denied she lost, but did any other Democrat support her position on that? No. She and she alone had that position. Unlike the legion of GOP support that Trump has had for his absurd claims, Stacey Abrams stood alone.

I didn't say that the 2000 election was rigged! My point was that Al Gore didn't either, and that's despite losing a much closer election than Trump did. And we know damn well that if Trump ever lost a state where his opponent's brother was the Governor, he would call it fraud. That's just how Trump is.

The right ransacked the United States Capitol on January 6, 2021 because they thought that they could help Trump retain the presidency. It doesn't get any more wing-nuttery than that.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

Nothing is ever taken at face value by wingnuts on the right. There is a malicious, ulterior motive assigned to every action taken by a Democrat, and those affiliated with Democrats. Everything must involve some large sinister plot, which eventually circles it's way around to child molestation.

Republicans love conspiracies. Some new conspiracy emerges almost every month, and those who scoff at such nonsense are described as naive. You are the party of election denialism, PizzaGate and Q Anon. You are the party of the uneducated and disaffected. You are the party who rejects scientific research and discovery. You are the party of Trump. You are the party of idiots.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

I don't endorse Stacey Abrams.

Al Gore has never described the 2000 Presidential Election as having been rigged. He did contest the results and call for a manual recount in two Florida counties (Broward and Dade), up until the electoral college met and cast their votes ... and then he gave a concession speech, and would later attend George W. Bush's inauguration ... and that was despite having lost a much closer election than what Trump lost in 2020.

Al Gore lost the 2000 Presidential Election because he lost Florida by 568 votes. Who was the Governor of Florida at the time of that election? His opponent's brother. If Trump had lost his election under identical circumstances, his head would have exploded. Gore has never once said that election was rigged against him - NEVER.

You are the party of election denialism, conspiracy theories, and all around wingnuts.

Lol. Always nice to see you on your high horse each day spewing your hate for others.

 

[OrangeTsar]

Have you ever been to the archives and done any research there? I have; it's not the most secure place in the world. I spent the day there several years ago digging up Civil War records. You determined what you wanted and submit a request. The documents were brought out and you and a bunch of other people went into a somewhat crowded room with desks and sat down to look through the package. Mine contained records for great-great grandfathers and one set from Revolutionary War - like the signed documents for bounty land. There were monitors, but it would have been easy enough to stash a couple of things away or deface documents.

What's worse; there had been flooding weeks or months previously, and some documents were lost entirely or damaged - nothing I was looking into, but power to the workstations still hadn't been restored. The best I could do was summarize information on a laptop until the battery ran out. Unfortunately this was before smartphones with cameras, so I couldn't even take pictures - seems like other cameras with flashes were not allowed, and the copier was overwhelmed and way overpriced. As far as security, you go to the desk, show some ID, and they snap a picture and provide you an access badge to wear - you keep the badge ... in case you might want to make your own.

Overall I think NARA probably does the best with what they have, but I don't get the impression they are fully up to the task. No doubt presidential records are treated differently, but who is to say that it would be impossible for someone to forge credentials - or worse to have valid credentials that were never voided after an administration ended. DC has a problem with forgetting about the "need to know" and shutting down security clearances when a job ends. The Archives may be able to limit the theft and potentially the sale of documents and memorabilia, but it's no place for the repository of classified documents - you are talking a home for historians - not a place for securing classified files.

Is that the place where Clinonista Sandy Berger was able to pilfer classified documents by stuffing them into his socks?

 

[Majors]

Stacey Abrams denied she lost, but did any other Democrat support her position on that? No. She and she alone had that position. Unlike the legion of GOP support that Trump has had for his absurd claims, Stacey Abrams stood alone.

I didn't say that the 2000 election was rigged! My point was that Al Gore didn't either, and that's despite losing a much closer election than Trump did. And we know damn well that if Trump ever lost a state where his opponent's brother was the Governor, he would call it fraud. That's just how Trump is.

The right ransacked the United States Capitol on January 6, 2021 because they thought that they could help Trump retain the presidency. It doesn't get any more wing-nuttery than that.

Did anyone come out and denounce her deny? Obama, Hillary, Biden, Oprah.... no. Which means the party denied it. The OG in election deny.
You formed a conspiracy theory in regards to the 2000 election.
The left burned cities and a courthouse in the summer of 2020. That ol left wing-nuttery.

 

[OrangeTsar]

Nothing is ever taken at face value by wingnuts on the right. There is a malicious, ulterior motive assigned to every action taken by a Democrat, and those affiliated with Democrats. Everything must involve some large sinister plot, which eventually circles it's way around to child molestation.

Republicans love conspiracies. Some new conspiracy emerges almost every month, and those who scoff at such nonsense are described as naive. You are the party of election denialism, PizzaGate and Q Anon. You are the party of the uneducated and disaffected. You are the party who rejects scientific research and discovery. You are the party of Trump. You are the party of idiots.

That is because after 1972, as the Democrat party continued to sell its soul to Moloch by sacrificing unborn children and then pledging allegiance to the racial marxists and child groomers, they are now a wholly owned subsidiary of Evil Incorporated.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Did anyone come out and denounce her deny? Obama, Hillary, Biden, Oprah.... no. Which means the party denied it. The OG in election deny.
You formed a conspiracy theory in regards to the 2000 election.
The left burned cities and a courthouse in the summer of 2020. That ol left wing-nuttery.

Not "denouncing a denial" isn't the same thing as supporting it.

I did not form a conspiracy theory as to the 2000 Presidential Election. I did not say that it was rigged. All that I said, was that Al Gore never described that election as rigged even though his election was much closer than Trump's - and his opponent's brother was the Governor of the decisive state. That is not me calling the election rigged. You are thick as a 2x4.

You know for sure that those people in Seattle and Portland were Democrats? How so? It's a lot easier to describe the January 6th mob as Republicans, because they were carrying pro-Trump flags.

 

[Majors]

Not "denouncing a denial" isn't the same thing as supporting it.

I did not form a conspiracy theory as to the 2000 Presidential Election. I did not say that it was rigged. All that I said, was that Al Gore never described that election as rigged even though his election was much closer than Trump's - and his opponent's brother was the Governor of the decisive state. That is not me calling the election rigged. You are thick as a 2x4.

You know for sure that those people in Seattle and Portland were Democrats? How so? It's a lot easier to describe the January 6th mob as Republicans, because they were carrying pro-Trump flags.

If you don't denounce, you are complicit based on the rules the left has established in regards to free and fare elections.
Yes, because the they were BLM protest/Anfifa. But you knew that, silly left wing nuttery.

 

[OrangeTsar]

Not "denouncing a denial" isn't the same thing as supporting it.

I did not form a conspiracy theory as to the 2000 Presidential Election. I did not say that it was rigged. All that I said, was that Al Gore never described that election as rigged even though his election was much closer than Trump's - and his opponent's brother was the Governor of the decisive state. That is not me calling the election rigged. You are thick as a 2x4.

You know for sure that those people in Seattle and Portland were Democrats? How so? It's a lot easier to describe the January 6th mob as Republicans, because they were carrying pro-Trump flags.

But but….isn’t YOUR side the one continuously saying „silence is violence?“

 

[BowlBrother85]

If you don't denounce, you are complicit based on the rules the left has established in regards to free and fare elections.
Yes, because the they were BLM protest/Anfifa. But you knew that, silly left wing nuttery.

If you don't denounce something that means you support it? That is stupid. I do not believe that anyone on the left has said that in regards to anything, let alone elections. That is something an intellectual midget would say, when he can't think of a valid argument.

Biden and Obama denounced the violence of BLM activists .... Trump described the January 6 rioters as being "very special" and he said that he loved them.

 

[BowlBrother85]

But but….isn’t YOUR side the one continuously saying „silence is violence?“

I've never heard that said ... except, maybe in regards to farting.

 

[Majors]

If you don't denounce something that means you support it? That is stupid. I do not believe that anyone on the left has said that in regards to anything. let alone elections. That is something an intellectual midget would say, when he can't think of a valid argument.

Biden and Obama denounced the violence of BLM activists .... Trump described the January 6 rioters as being "very special" and he said that he loved them.

Not our rules, the left established that sorry. Biden denounced it a few months later, have to wait and see what the polls says. You know, get a pulse for the polite hate... even bust a few out of jail with donations encouraged by Kamala.

It's 2023, you can't say the "m" word. It' a demeaning slur.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Not our rules, the left established that sorry. Biden denounced it a few months later, have to wait and see what the polls says. You know, get a pulse for the polite hate... even bust a few out of jail with donations encouraged by Kamala.

It's 2023, you can't say the "m" word. It' a demeaning slur.

Post a link to a Democrat who said that. You are full of $hit.

 

[rekinhavoc]

Nothing is ever taken at face value by wingnuts on the right. There is a malicious, ulterior motive assigned to every action taken by a Democrat, and those affiliated with Democrats. Everything must involve some large sinister plot, which eventually circles it's way around to child molestation.

Republicans love conspiracies. Some new conspiracy emerges almost every month, and those who scoff at such nonsense are described as naive. You are the party of election denialism, PizzaGate and Q Anon. You are the party of the uneducated and disaffected. You are the party who rejects scientific research and discovery. You are the party of Trump. You are the party of idiots.

Lol.

 

[OrangeTsar]

I've never heard that said ... except, maybe in regards to farting.

Then you are not well versed enough in this arena to meaningfully contribute to this discussion IMHO. Because is a central tenant of „antiracist“ theory
https://thehill.com/opinion/civil-r...reatens-true-free-speech-and-public-civility/

 

[BowlBrother85]

Then you are not well versed enough in this arena to meaningfully contribute to this discussion IMHO. Because is a central tenant of „antiracist“ theory
https://thehill.com/opinion/civil-r...reatens-true-free-speech-and-public-civility/

LOL. "Antiracist Theory" ??? .... sounds like a quackery topic that only extremists ascribe too. You are right. I'm not well-versed in any such BS; nor do I want to be. It has nothing to do with what I've been talking about.

 

[Majors]

Post a link to a Democrat who said that. You are full of $hit.

Remarks by President Biden on Standing up for Democracy | The White House

"There is an alarming rise in the number of our people in this country condoning political violence or simply remaining silent because silence is complicity. The disturbing rise in voter intimidation. The pernicious tendency to excuse political violence or at least — at least trying to explain it away.

The left was silent when Maxine demanded violence. The left was silent when Trumps cabinet was being harassed in restaurants. The left was silent on Eric Holders comments about kicking. All before January 6th. But you knew all of this.

 

[BreatheUT]

The fact that neither side has leaked what was in the documents shows exactly how little they actually matter. It's just low hanging fruit, imo.

Help me remember. Were you the poster that went all in on Trump on this issue that we couldn't talk down from the ledge? It just seems you have a different tune now.

 

[whodeycin85]

Not our rules, the left established that sorry. Biden denounced it a few months later, have to wait and see what the polls says. You know, get a pulse for the polite hate... even bust a few out of jail with donations encouraged by Kamala.

It's 2023, you can't say the "m" word. It' a demeaning slur.

Didn't the left say that Trump needed to denounce white supremacy or he was in support of it? Believe that was around Charlottesville time

 

[OrangeTsar]

LOL. "Antiracist Theory" ??? .... sounds like a quackery topic that only extremists ascribe too. You are right. I'm not well-versed in any such BS; nor do I want to be. It has nothing to do with what I've been talking about.

It is being taught in almost every American University. I am unsure whether you are actually unaware of it or playing dumb. Either way, I find you rather unequiped for this particular discussion.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Remarks by President Biden on Standing up for Democracy | The White House

"There is an alarming rise in the number of our people in this country condoning political violence or simply remaining silent because silence is complicity. The disturbing rise in voter intimidation. The pernicious tendency to excuse political violence or at least — at least trying to explain it away.

The left was silent when Maxine demanded violence. The left was silent when Trumps cabinet was being harassed in restaurants. The left was silent on Eric Holders comments about kicking. All before January 6th. But you knew all of this.

I think you understood that I was speaking in terms of election denial ... and you are trying to shift away from that.

My point was, that just because Democrats did not denounce Stacey Abrams for her election denial does not mean that they were supporting her claims. I wasn't talking about literal violence at all!