Federal Indictment of Donald Trump

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[BowlBrother85]

Your the only person espousing this nonsense...give it up...so sad

It really is.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

Oh they would have a job at cnn or msnbc within seconds

I'm sure they have room over there for more clowns & idiots then they know what to do with.

 

[BowlBrother85]

I hope like hell he gets beat like a drum in the primary

He's safe. Trump has never been popular with the Mormon population. That obviously hurts him in Utah. Romney doesn't have much risk here.

 

[OrangeBoro]

He's safe. Trump has never been popular with the Mormon population. That obviously hurts him in Utah. Romney doesn't have much risk here.

I’m not so sure. If Mike Lee endorses someone else he’s probably done. Also it’s unclear if he will even run again. He needs to go either way

 

[rekinhavoc]

No it won’t. There’s the same 35% hardcore Trump supporters that will whine and scream about every perceived slight (and indictment). The rest of the country either doesn’t care or hopes he gets put in jail. The lines are already drawn and nothing is going to change that.

Personally I’m ambivalent about it. If he’s innocent, we’ll find out. If there is viable evidence and he is found guilty, penalize him to the maximum. If the latter happens though, I think the conspiracy nuts will just have something else to whine about just like we’ve seen with the innumerable false election robbery claims. Not a single one of which has been upheld. But heaven forbid that facts get in the way of whining.

Biden's DOJ has indicted his main advisory in the next election while ignoring/stonewalling any investigation into his own sordid past.

Opinion | Democrats Were the First Election Deniers

Kari Lake shows '150 examples of DEMOCRATS denying election results' - including WH press secretary

Democrats: Proud Election Deniers since 1977 ⋆ Politicrossing

Talk about whining .

 

[AM64]

Seriously? Have you ever watched any interview with Trump? Any debate? Any news clip? YouTube post? Facebook video? Audio recording where he didn’t think he was the most awesomeness dude to ever grace your presence or brag about assaulting women? Jesus bro, he thinks he can do whatever. I guarantee you most high ranking politicians are egotistical scumbags and hold themselves to the same esteem. And you can’t just wave your hand and gloss over the other presidents that have been caught red handed with classified material and excuse Biden , Pence , Obama, Bush so on and so forth.

The thing that set Trump's tone apart (other than his 5th grade vocabulary and speech pattern) is that he put his arrogance on full display rather than hiding it like politicians normally do. I'd assume that's an offshoot of making money through a business rather than nefarious kickback schemes. I doubt that Trump is any more arrogant than the average lifetime politician; he simply sticks out like a sore thumb in DC because he didn't bother to adapt.

 

[BowlBrother85]

I’m not so sure. If Mike Lee endorses someone else he’s probably done. Also it’s unclear if he will even run again. He needs to go either way

His opposition to Trump is nothing new. He was outspoken against Trump while running for the Senate in 2018 and yet, he won the Republican Primary by an even wider margin than he did the General. The Mormons are overwhelmingly Republican ... but they are lukewarm in their support for Trump.

 

[lawgator1]

I worry that the ranting and raving lunacy of folks like Levine will cause MAGA followers to do something stupid. We saw it 1/6. Let's all hope they calm down.

 

[Caculator]

I worry that the ranting and raving lunacy of folks like Levine will cause MAGA followers to do something stupid. We saw it 1/6. Let's all hope they calm down.

quit masturbating in public

 

[OrangeBoro]

His opposition to Trump is nothing new. He was outspoken against Trump while running for the Senate in 2018 and yet, he won the Republican Primary by an even wider margin than he did the General. The Mormons are overwhelmingly Republican ... but they are lukewarm in their support for Trump.

Time will tell. He can leave or switch parties. Also Trump won Utah like 59% to Biden 38%

 

[OrangeBoro]

I worry that the ranting and raving lunacy of folks like Levine will cause MAGA followers to do something stupid. We saw it 1/6. Let's all hope they calm down.

No we don’t need to clam down we need to act

 

[AM64]

Ignorance is no excuse before the law.

If our "law" were something like the Ten Commandments ... reasonable in scope and breadth ... then that would be reasonable. As it is, there's no way in hell an honest man could possibly know that he is acting fully within our "law" - most of it is precedent based on court decisions rather than codified to begin with. There are no "Idiots Guide", "CliffsNotes", or Chilton's Manuals. Ever get the impression that our law is what it is because it's actually a self preserve made by, maintained by, and operated by lawyers? That it has nothing to do with honest evaluation of right and wrong, or any person's ability to defend himself? That it is simply a domain intended to keep mortal men the servants of the legal profession.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

I worry that the ranting and raving lunacy of folks like Levine will cause MAGA followers to do something stupid. We saw it 1/6. Let's all hope they calm down.

Yeah, sometimes he reminds me of Cori Bush & Waters out there hollering & screaming.

 

[RockyTop85]

Yeah, I know POTUS has historically had almost carte blanche when it comes to declassifying documents but no one should have those docs outside of certain secured areas. Period. If he did have true military docs that would be harmful to our country in the wrong hands then we need to make an example of Trump. Thanks for pointing me to the spot so I didn’t have to go digging.

DOJ has applied a higher standard to politicians like Hillary, Biden, Trump, and Pence when making charging decisions. Search this thread for the word “banana” to see why that’s probably a good idea.
The problem with that practice is that the standard isn’t really set by law, it’s an internal policy, I don’t know that it’s published anywhere other than what Comey said and what Mueller did. It should be published as part of an XO or internal memorandum to avoid the situation where people think that the bar was raised to keep certain people out of trouble. You could argue the bar is too high or too low.
But even going by how they’ve treated Hillary, Biden, Pence, and Trump in the past (Mueller report), he still gave them more evidence than any of those prior situations.
Doesn’t mean he’s more guilty than Hillary; could just mean that she handled her situation more competently.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Biden's DOJ has indicted his main advisory in the next election while ignoring/stonewalling any investigation into his own sordid past.

Opinion | Democrats Were the First Election Deniers

Kari Lake shows '150 examples of DEMOCRATS denying election results' - including WH press secretary

Democrats: Proud Election Deniers since 1977 ⋆ Politicrossing

Talk about whining .

That's all fair to point out, but Trump took election denying to another level in 2020. Prior to certification, he publicly pleaded with his Vice President to cast aside electoral college votes from legally chosen sets of electors, so that they could be replaced with a different set of electors which lawyers for his campaign had chosen. This was a very aggressive and Unconstitutional scheme. It was extreme.

People like to bring up Al Gore as an election denier, but even Gore presided over the certification of his own defeat in January of 2001. According to Trump's ridiculous rationale, Gore had the option of refusing to count the electoral votes from Florida.

 

[Hunerwadel]

Biden's DOJ has indicted his main advisory in the next election while ignoring/stonewalling any investigation into his own sordid past.

Opinion | Democrats Were the First Election Deniers

Kari Lake shows '150 examples of DEMOCRATS denying election results' - including WH press secretary

Democrats: Proud Election Deniers since 1977 ⋆ Politicrossing

Talk about whining .

HaHa Trump alone far surpassed all that in one grand afternoon.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

That's all fair to point out, but Trump took election denying to another level in 2020. Prior to certification, he publicly pleaded with his Vice President to cast aside electoral college votes from legally chosen sets of electors, so that they could be replaced with a different set of electors which lawyers for his campaign had chosen. This was a very aggressive and Unconstitutional scheme. It was extreme.

People like to bring up Al Gore as an election denier, but even Gore presided over the certification of his own defeat in January of 2001. According to Trump's ridiculous rationale, Gore had the option of refusing to count the electoral votes from Florida.

Lol .... thanks, for the history lesson. We all know what happened but anyway.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

HaHa Trump alone far surpassed all that in one grand afternoon.

Link to what you say .... or it didn't happen.

 

[bamawriter]

Finished reading the indictment. It should be shocking. But, because it's Trump, the only thing shocking about it is how unsurprising it is.

 

[AM64]

If Biden or Trump get reelected, this country is full of stupid people on both sides. Incumbent or not, it's stupid of the left if they run an elderly man with dementia for reelection. It's stupid of the right if they run an elderly egomaniac that causes such division for reelection.

If Democrats were smart, and clearly, they are not, they would find a way to force Biden to withdraw from the election.

The problem with that line of reasoning is that we simply wind up with the same kind of people who keep being elected. Remember the "qualification" for president talk always devolves to something like the candidate should have been in congress or at least a governor ... ie a damn lifetime politician. No outsider "not bigger than life" could be a candidate ... it was a long jump from Eisenhower to Trump, and Eisenhower was still a politician - just a military politician. DC and parties that represent DC don't want an outsider who might upset their corrupt world, and they definitely never wanted someone like Trump stealing the nomination. A lot (seemed like the majority) of congressional republicans hated Trump as much as dems until the midterms when some of them were dumped.

 

[AM64]

I honestly would have taken 8 years of Romney over 4 years of Trump and 4 years of Biden. Trump was that bad for America.

Most dems would. Romney is a dem with an "R" behind his name ... a worthless piece of crap.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Time will tell. He can leave or switch parties. Also Trump won Utah like 59% to Biden 38%

Yes .... when only given the choice of voting for Trump or a Democrat ... Mormons will vote for Trump. However, Independent Evan McMullin received 21.3% of the Utah vote in 2016. That is an unusually high percentage of 3rd party support. That happens when neither major party candidate is well-liked.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

Most dems would. Romney is a dem with an "R" behind his name ... a worthless piece of crap.

Solid.

 

[AM64]

Trump’s lawyers have made some accusations. I’m fine with those accusations being followed up on and consequences being dealt out if they turn out to be true.

The idea that it’s pure politics and he did nothing wrong doesn’t fit with the evidence available at this time, most of which has been corroborated by trump himself. Best of luck gaslighting anybody into believing that that’s pure partisanship as the guy whose head is firmly wedged between Tucker Carlson’s ass cheeks.

He’ll still have an opportunity to put on a defense, if he chooses to take it, and will have to be afforded all of the procedures and safeguards that are given to anybody else. He’ll actually fare better than most since he got a judge that is clearly skeptical of all of this. If they get to a conviction, any political animosity on the part of the prosecutors will have been no different than how gang members and confessed murderers are treated when they go through the process. They should be held accountable and if it can be shown to have enticed then to act in a way that improperly affected the outcome, that should be dealt with the same as it would for anybody else.

Do you honestly think that most high profile prosecutions that aren't something like a murderer caught red handed aren't political? Prosecutors seem to be more political than even the run of the mill politician - better at detecting and forecasting wind direction and velocity that would make a weatherman green with envy.