Federal Indictment of Donald Trump

[Gandalf]

Can't stand trump but it's not inaccurate

Because almost ALL politicians focus on THIS alone

All the rest is mere sheeps clothing for the suckers.

They will justify ANYTHING both to others and to themselves. The end ALWAYS justifies the means (but of course, don't actually say that out loud).

 

[Sudden Impact]

If his indictment in FL ends up in the dump, be prepared for another in NJ. No win situation.

 

[volfanhill]

Because almost ALL politicians focus on THIS alone

All the rest is mere sheeps clothing for the suckers.

They will justify ANYTHING both to others and to themselves. The end ALWAYS justifies the means (but of course, don't actually say that out loud).

Agreed. It's why I don't get the Trump lovers. He's just like every other politician.

 

[Orangeburst]

Agreed. It's why I don't get the Trump lovers. He's just like every other politician.

The DC establishment hating him is enough for me. And their hate is not driven by any moralistic cause either, which is spoken by many, but a joke as they are as or even more slimy. The only thing I can think of is the hate is actually fear of upsetting their power games as an outsider.

And before it is said what would those issues be..look at troops in Syria where they lied to the CiC, Miley backdooring in China, Kerry running to Iran. Now it is Ukraine. FP..ie CIA, seems to be the driver. I actually thought his FP was excellent.

If he were to slash budgets, they would have a conniption.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

He seems to have the orange man's ear

Good grief. And you wonder why most people make fun of liberals.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

If his indictment in FL ends up in the dump, be prepared for another in NJ. No win situation.

When does the Biden indictment happen?

 

[AM64]

Since all docs are generated on a computer, the gov still has the files.

Yep, the age of computing has changed everything; you can bet NARA has copies. Even if a president turns over the file with the official hardcopy, don't bet he doesn't have it electronically stored. Also don't bet the Chinese or others don't have it, too.

 

[Orangeburst]

Yep, the age of computing has changed everything; you can bet NARA has copies. Even if a president turns over the file with the official hardcopy, don't bet he doesn't have it electronically stored. Also don't bet the Chinese or others don't have it, too.

Good point. I am not sure what applies to copies from the other side.

 

[Orangeburst]

I wouldn't be surprised if this gets tossed early due to prosecutor misconduct. The defense is tainted now.

Ex-Trump Attorney Claims On MSNBC He Witnessed 45 Instances of DOJ Misconduct: ‘I Know It Sounds Like I Made That Number Up’

 

[Orangeburst]

Department of the Navy v. Egan, 484 U.S. 518 (1988)

 

[AM64]

Once again, are you saying that the President of the United States does not have to obey the laws passed by Congress ... and that he is essentially above the law?

Because there will be some very disappointed Republicans, who are currently sitting on the House Oversight Committee, to hear this. LOL.

Please answer the question this time.

All this is pointing out that separate and equal branches of government don't exist if congress can write legislation the executive branch has to follow, and the judicial branch trumps both of them. Ever since the whole system was put in play, the branches have jockeyed for power, and they have done nothing more than knot themselves up.

Sanity says that succession requires that records have to be maintained and passed to the next person to fill the position in all cases. Don't want dirty laundry or faulty decisions aired in public, then do the job correctly without favor to party, donors, etc

You can even potentially make the argument that an outgoing president be able to maintain a record of his administration; I'm not fond of that because when his time is over, it's time to move on. That's a personal prejudice; I don't believe in the royal family concept where the "first lady" has a role or in ex-presidents doing anything official but breathing.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Nothing is going to happen.

 

[Zues1]

No mugshots, no handcuffs, no perp walk.
Dang it..

 

[Sudden Impact]

When does the Biden indictment happen?

I guess when they feel like they can make it stick. If it is for the Classified Documents, probably will not happen. The bribery is possible but we will have wait and see. Right now let's see how well the Republican Congress gets the Biden Impeachment through which it probably will not happen because the Republicans can't get all members to buy into it. Split amongst themselves, of course, Ogles and Bimbo Bobert were the co legislatures to present it to Congress. Kids in a big world.

The Whataboutism is alive and well right now. It is pitiful that either party has to use it in an attempt not to lose political power. The Democrats did it for years and it did not work out very well. It has ran it course, Duck, Duck, Rabbit.

I said it from day one, the Democrats were going to pursue DJT until they nailed him. They will never let him go. Lawsuit after Lawsuit, trial after trial. Not good for Politics.

As far as I am concern you can let both Biden & Trump be Cell Mates with two SS. They can shower, eat and sleep together.

In fact, we could reserve a cell block for certain members of Congress. Rep & Dems

Question Answered?

 

[lawgator1]

I guess when they feel like they can make it stick. If it is for the Classified Documents, probably will not happen. The bribery is possible but we will have wait and see. Right now let's see how well the Republican Congress gets the Biden Impeachment through which it probably will not happen because the Republicans can't get all members to buy into it. Split amongst themselves, of course, Ogles and Bimbo Bobert were the co legislatures to present it to Congress. Kids in a big world.

The Whataboutism is alive and well right now. It is pitiful that either party has to use it in an attempt not to lose political power. The Democrats did it for years and it did not work out very well. It has ran it course, Duck, Duck, Rabbit.

I said it from day one, the Democrats were going to pursue DJT until they nailed him. They will never let him go. Lawsuit after Lawsuit, trial after trial. Not good for Politics.

As far as I am concern you can let both Biden & Trump be Cell Mates with two SS. They can shower, eat and sleep together.

In fact, we could reserve a cell block for certain members of Congress. Rep & Dems

Questioned Answered?

What about, you know, the facts in the indictment. If true do they not bother you?

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Yep, the age of computing has changed everything; you can bet NARA has copies. Even if a president turns over the file with the official hardcopy, don't bet he doesn't have it electronically stored. Also don't bet the Chinese or others don't have it, too.

I don't know, but I would think that highly classified documents would be protected from being copied.

 

[jmacvols1]

 

[Orangeburst]

Why Do Former Presidents Have Access to Classified Information?

2022:

"Former presidents can obtain classified material from their own administration, and, as a matter of practice, only a request to the archivist of the United States is required. The current administration has no formal role in the matter, nor is there any prescribed process by which the intelligence community is consulted and given the opportunity to raise concerns."

"The events of the past few weeks have made it clear that the current laws and norms governing former presidents’ access to classified material require reconsideration and reform"

So Trump could have asked the archivist for these document any time he wants. This case is so weak, pathetic and political. Dangerous.

 

[davethevol]

If this is true, just more proof that the DOJ and legal system are corrupt to the core and cannot be trusted.

 

[jmacvols1]

Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg’s Case Against Donald Trump Takes a Huge Turn - Trump Case is 'Adjourned' as Federal Indictment Takes Precedent

Two major cases against Donald Trump just took a big hit after the former president’s arraignment on federal charges related to his handling of classified documents on Tuesday in Miami.

During an interview on MSNBC, New York Attorney General Letitia James announced that her case as well as the one filed by Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg against Trump “will unfortunately have to be adjourned” as the federal case will take precedence over both cases.

“In all likelihood, I believe that my case, as well as DA Bragg and the Georgia case, will, unfortunately, have to be adjourned pending the outcome of the federal case,” James said. “So it all depends upon the scheduling of this particular case. I know there’s gonna be a flood, a flurry of motions, motion to dismiss, discovery issues, all of that. So it really all depends. Obviously, all of us want to know what Judge [Aileen] Cannon is going to do and whether or not she’s going to delay this particular case.”

 

[Sudden Impact]

Why Do Former Presidents Have Access to Classified Information?

2022:

"Former presidents can obtain classified material from their own administration, and, as a matter of practice, only a request to the archivist of the United States is required. The current administration has no formal role in the matter, nor is there any prescribed process by which the intelligence community is consulted and given the opportunity to raise concerns."

"The events of the past few weeks have made it clear that the current laws and norms governing former presidents’ access to classified material require reconsideration and reform"

So Trump could have asked the archivist for these document any time he wants. This case is so weak, pathetic and political. Dangerous.

If you think you are going to get educated on this process on the internet, you are pissing in the wind.

 

[Orangeburst]

If you think you are going to get educated on this process on the internet, you are pissing in the wind.

So the bolded isn't true?

 

[Sudden Impact]

So the bolded isn't true?

It is an assumption on your part or something you have read/heard or choose to believe.
You make the process sound so simple when it just ain't so.
It is becoming more apparent each day that we don't have all the Facts regarding Trump or Biden. My guess is there is more to it for both of them of which the public will never know but it is easy in both cases to go to far enough without the other...

 

[Orangeburst]

It is an assumption on you part or something you have read/heard or choose to believe.
You make the process sound so simple when it just ain't so.
It is becoming more apparent each day that we don't have all the Facts regarding Trump or Biden. My guess is there is more to it for both of them of which the public will never know but it is easy in both cases to go to far enough without the other...

Fair enough. But what I posted was a piece of truth to a much bigger puzzle.
If we are not to form opinions or learn, then what is the ****ing purpose of this forum?

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Why Do Former Presidents Have Access to Classified Information?

2022:

"Former presidents can obtain classified material from their own administration, and, as a matter of practice, only a request to the archivist of the United States is required. The current administration has no formal role in the matter, nor is there any prescribed process by which the intelligence community is consulted and given the opportunity to raise concerns."

"The events of the past few weeks have made it clear that the current laws and norms governing former presidents’ access to classified material require reconsideration and reform"

So Trump could have asked the archivist for these document any time he wants. This case is so weak, pathetic and political. Dangerous.

I like the Atlantic, but that is a completely unsourced article written in very absolute terms which I find suspicious.