Federal Indictment of Donald Trump

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I knew who Jack Smith was before this, and the specific case he is most closely associated with in the public eye was the prosecution of Virginia Governor Bob McDonnell. Remember that one? Using a very aggressive interpretation of the scope of federal bribery and honest services fraud statutes, Smith nuked the career and life of a popular Republican politician, before having all his convictions overturned by the Supreme Court in a 9-0 opinion. You read that right, all nine Supreme Court justices smacked Jack Smith down for an overzealous, legally defective prosecution of a Republican politician. SCOTUS gutted him so badly that DOJ didn’t even try to re-try the case. They just dropped it.




 
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Orangeburst said:
I knew who Jack Smith was before this, and the specific case he is most closely associated with in the public eye was the prosecution of Virginia Governor Bob McDonnell. Remember that one? Using a very aggressive interpretation of the scope of federal bribery and honest services fraud statutes, Smith nuked the career and life of a popular Republican politician, before having all his convictions overturned by the Supreme Court in a 9-0 opinion. You read that right, all nine Supreme Court justices smacked Jack Smith down for an overzealous, legally defective prosecution of a Republican politician. SCOTUS gutted him so badly that DOJ didn’t even try to re-try the case. They just dropped it.




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He was picked by the regime simply because he has always worked to go after Rs. He also is good friends with Lois Lerner
 
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Orangeburst said:
I knew who Jack Smith was before this, and the specific case he is most closely associated with in the public eye was the prosecution of Virginia Governor Bob McDonnell. Remember that one? Using a very aggressive interpretation of the scope of federal bribery and honest services fraud statutes, Smith nuked the career and life of a popular Republican politician, before having all his convictions overturned by the Supreme Court in a 9-0 opinion. You read that right, all nine Supreme Court justices smacked Jack Smith down for an overzealous, legally defective prosecution of a Republican politician. SCOTUS gutted him so badly that DOJ didn’t even try to re-try the case. They just dropped it.




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Sudden Impact said:
I guess when they feel like they can make it stick. If it is for the Classified Documents, probably will not happen. The bribery is possible but we will have wait and see. Right now let's see how well the Republican Congress gets the Biden Impeachment through which it probably will not happen because the Republicans can't get all members to buy into it. Split amongst themselves, of course, Ogles and Bimbo Bobert were the co legislatures to present it to Congress. Kids in a big world.

The Whataboutism is alive and well right now. It is pitiful that either party has to use it in an attempt not to lose political power. The Democrats did it for years and it did not work out very well. It has ran it course, Duck, Duck, Rabbit.

I said it from day one, the Democrats were going to pursue DJT until they nailed him. They will never let him go. Lawsuit after Lawsuit, trial after trial. Not good for Politics.

As far as I am concern you can let both Biden & Trump be Cell Mates with two SS. They can shower, eat and sleep together.

In fact, we could reserve a cell block for certain members of Congress. Rep & Dems

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Excellent answer. I agree with almost everything you said. Thank you.
 
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lawgator1 said:
What about, you know, the facts in the indictment. If true do they not bother you?
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Only indictment is the Mar-a-Lago case. NY is Chicken Sh** and who really cares. GA will just contribute to J6 committee findings, Committee Findings will be hard to prove but stranger things have happened. Carroll is a civil case and who cares -- NY women are batty as hell.

The one that comes from nowhere to being a ball buster, NJ Fed Case, which is a drop dead case and will bury Trump as it looms in the backdrop. A NJ Fed indictment is Trump's Death and he knows it. He might be able to slip around MAL but he will never get past NJ.

Yes, they bother me, no matter who it is. Dem or Rep serving as the President of the US as they have an obligation to protect and serve this Nation. What's Bad for Politics is that either Party will go out of there way to defend their Candidate with Whataboutism, even if they are guilty as hell. All it tells me is how screw up Congress is by doing so. Both Parties are equally to blame. If Pres Biden is guilty of any crime as suspected and it is proven, then, his goose should be cooked as well.

The thing that also bothers me is that Trump will never have to liquidate a single asset in his defense as idiots continue to donate to his cause... Rich man's defense being paid for by poor people.

I don't know very much, but I do know how to handle Classified Documents and the procedures of handling them, especially OPLANs and GDPs. The President can request any of these SCIF documents and there is a set of control procedures which bothers me to no end as to how they ended up in FL & NJ, Delaware, Indiana and NY.

It seems as though we are in our 12th Season of the Celebrity President, Vice President, Congress Apprentice. A Bunch of below average guys and gals doing a Rookie type job.
 
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Orangeburst said:
I knew who Jack Smith was before this, and the specific case he is most closely associated with in the public eye was the prosecution of Virginia Governor Bob McDonnell. Remember that one? Using a very aggressive interpretation of the scope of federal bribery and honest services fraud statutes, Smith nuked the career and life of a popular Republican politician, before having all his convictions overturned by the Supreme Court in a 9-0 opinion. You read that right, all nine Supreme Court justices smacked Jack Smith down for an overzealous, legally defective prosecution of a Republican politician. SCOTUS gutted him so badly that DOJ didn’t even try to re-try the case. They just dropped it.




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So the Supreme Court will fix this if it is politically motivated government overreach that results in a conviction?
 
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Overlooks the obvious distinction that these people did not sprinkle magic mental declassification dust over the documents.

 
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Former Trump Attorney Claims Misconduct In Front of Grand Jury (mediaite.com)

Former Trump attorney Tim Parlatore argued on MSNBC Tuesday that “prosecutorial misconduct” could derail Donald Trump‘s federal trial. Parlatore claimed to a highly skeptical panel that he was in the room and witnessed misconduct during the grand jury proceedings.

“What are the issues that you think would lead to this case never going to trial?” Andrew Weissmann asked during an MSNBC panel.

“The biggest issue, of course, Andy, is prosecutorial misconduct,” Parlatore said, before laying out his accusations against the federal prosecutors. “This is a case where you have prosecutors who have consistently demonstrated lack of ethics and willingness to lie to federal judges in sealed proceedings. Willingness to, in the grand jury, openly suggest to the jurors that they may take the invocation of constitutional rights as evidence of guilt. Willingness to meet with an attorney for one of the witnesses and suggest that his application for a judgeship is something that should be considered and is a reason to convince his client to change his mind. ”

A skeptical Weissmann interjected to ask how Parlatore knew of the alleged misconduct since grand juries usually operate in secret.

“Because I was in the room,” Parlatore said. “It happened right in front of me.”

Parlatore was a witness before the grand jury considering the classified documents case against Trump.

Weissmann then asked what Parlatore saw.

“Forty-five separate times — I know sounds like I made that number up — but 45 separate times they tried to to get into attorney-client privileged information and frequently when the question was asked about conversations between attorney and client, they would turn to the grand jury and say, ‘so you’re refusing to provide that information to the grand jury?’ At a certain point, further exchange ensued where the prosecutor says, ‘well isn’t it possible to waive the privilege? And if President Trump is being so cooperative, why won’t he waive the privilege and allow you to tell the jury about his conversations with you?’ That’s totally improper. And I know, Andy, that you know, had it happened during a jury trial, it would be a mistrial, right there.”
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
I don't know, but I would think that highly classified documents would be protected from being copied.
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You would hope so, but look at the Jack Teixeira case. The guy had a top secret clearance because he was IT in a group handling classified materials, but it didn't stop him from snooping and copying stuff he had no legitimate reason to see. What he was doing was about the same as a post office mail sorter opening letters, reading, and copying them as desired - only with classified documents. Looks like electronic storage, retrieval, and transmission of classified documents just made the whole mess a lot messier, and nobody is close to coming to grips with it. Same with Snowden and the Army it ... whatever name it uses today.

The other thing nobody is really discussing is that there is still a huge difference in someone like Trump having improper access to documents that he legally "owned" and used previously vs someone who has documents he was never supposed to have had. I'm not really defending Trump when saying he's not the only one who should be prosecuted when we don't even know if Biden, Pence, etc ever actually had legitimate access to classified documents in their possession.
 
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Septic said:
I really think that the red hat crowd thinks that "buuutt Hillary" is a cogent legal defense and when it doesn't work will riot again.
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I agree it won’t work in a court, but the truth is they have a point. Trump and his DOJ did the right thing by not charging their political rivals, even though there was zero question that she broke the law.

I can’t say the same for Biden and this sets a bad precedent for our country.
 
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lawgator1 said:
What about, you know, the facts in the indictment. If true do they not bother you?
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I hate to interrupt your
conversation. I couldn’t help myself. No. Trump had a right to carry any documents he wanted out of the White House just like all the presidents before him. What bothers me are the documents in China Joe’s garage that he hauled out as a Senator which by doing so broke the law. What bothers me is China Joe’s crack head son making business deals with Ukraine, China, etc. What bothers me is the Chief Executive officer of the US has been bought and paid for by our biggest enemy. What bothers me is people voted for this idiot when this info was available. What bothers me is the Chief Executive officer of the US trying to put his political opponent in jail. Does that bother you? If not it should.
 
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