Federal Indictment of Donald Trump

[clarksvol00]

No. You should invalidate them because they are some combination of overreaching, outdated, or absurdly stupid.

I can only assume laws regarding the maintenance of governance documents which have been in your control in your capacity as a government official is one of those laws you think are overreaching, outdated, and absurdly stupid laws.

 

[GoBigOrangeUT]

Why would I be intellectually dishonest with a stranger on a message board about network security and streaming service laws? Or anything, for that matter? Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I'm going to lie to you or make something up.

You’re right. It was my mistake.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Justice Department ordered to respond to requests to unseal warrant the FBI used to raid Trump's Mar-a-Lago home

The Department of Justice has been ordered to respond to motions to unseal the warrant used in the FBI's raid of former President Trump's Mar-a-Lago home.

Justice Department ordered to respond to requests to unseal warrant FBI used to raid Mar-a-Lago | Daily Mail Online

 

[clarksvol00]

Every crime involves an actus reus (guilty act) like housing your classified emails on a private server in your home; and a mens rea (guilty mind) like intent to use said private server in order to advance some criminal purpose. The government needs to prove both to convict you of a crime.

In a lot of the examples being thrown around in here, the mens rea cannot be proven. I’m more than a little skeptical that there’s a federal crime involving erroneous tax returns that doesn’t require fraudulent intent. In fact, I think I remember reading or hearing about that specifically during the Manafort trial that they could have gone after him with civil claims to retrieve the owed taxes but that extra elements were added by the decision to proceed with criminal claims.

Also, according to Comey the evidence against Hillary did not establish criminal intent, the mens rea.

One other example: inability to prove criminal intent was also the conclusion of the Mueller report regarding many of the instances of possible obstruction of justice that were investigated.

Am I right that there are civil penalties for unintentionally filing a false return and criminal penalties for knowingly filing a false return?

 

[hUTch2002]

The SAT analogy section was a struggle for you, wasn't it?

Ok, since you couldn’t follow something pretty simple l’ll dumb it down. You think you have Trump and, yet again, you don’t.

 

[RockyTop85]

Am I right that there are civil penalties for unintentionall filing a false return and criminal penalties for knowingly filing a false return?

I think that is correct. Intentionally trying to defraud the government = “we can send you to jail.” Being careless or of insufficient aptitude to correctly complete the form = “we can sue you to get back what you owe.”

I’m not a tax lawyer, don’t know that for an absolute certainty, but it makes sense and fits with what I remember reading about Manafort.

 

[hUTch2002]

BB, and I mean this without disrespect, you either have not lived very long or led a sheltered life from the not-so-pretty-side of the world. You do not want to get in the cross-hairs of people with the power of the government behind them. Our system is fairly good; in fact compared to the rest of the world, our Bill of Rights is Second to none. But injustice still happens. Prosecutors, bureaucrats can decide to take a dislike to you and make your life a living hell and break you financially.

The criminal justice system is not much more than an industry currently designed to "manage" the problem: not let it get too big, but essentially "farm" a segment of the population so they have plenty to harvest.

Again, I have not meant this in any way to demean or belittle you, but I think your statement indicates a certain level of naivety.

It’s really hard to say “naivety” and not make it sound like Cartman. Damn you Trey Parker!

 

[clarksvol00]

I think that is correct. Intentionally trying to defraud the government = “we can send you to jail.” Being careless or of insufficient aptitude to correctly complete the form = “we can sue you to get back what you owe.”

I’m not a tax lawyer, don’t know that for an absolute certainty, but it makes sense and fits with what I remember reading about Manafort.

Probably "interest and penalties" added to the careless equation.

 

[allvol123]

Conservatives calling people pedos is the liberal equivalent to calling people racist. It's sad and stupid.

Who is the conservative?
I am not calling people pedos. I am calling a specific person one.
Maybe you can find my me carelessly tossing the term around on here. Betting you can’t.

 

[RockyTop85]

Probably "interest and penalties" added to the careless equation.

And court costs and endless probing of orifices to determine whether it was intentional or careless. I imagine there’s an “okay, my bad, how much do I owe?” Lane that’s somewhat less painful.

I hear they’re hiring, maybe I’ll go sign up and let everybody know what I find out.

 

[BreatheUT]

There was an investigation that concluded in Summer 2016, July if I remember correctly. They started a second investigation in late October.

I remember it well. And both investigations being vociferously defended on this board.

What if you were investigated because I accused you of being a phony? You knew you weren't a phony but I made it up. Would this be fair? Should you have to defend this lie?

 

[hUTch2002]

I can show you an atheist. You can't show me a god.

 

[zeppelin128]

What if you were investigated because I accused you of being a phony? You knew you weren't a phony but I made it up. Would this be fair? Should you have to defend this lie?

I would lawyer up and plead the Fifth, just like Trump did. Just like everyone should do if law enforcement and especially a District Attorney try to talk to you.

I said in another post Trump absolutely made the right move. I'll never drag a person for taking the Fifth or seeking counsel. That is our right, and everyone should avail themselves of that right.

 

[GoBigOrangeUT]

Doesn’t quite fit here but LOL.

FBI delivers subpoenas to several Pa. Republican lawmakers: sources say

And…

Rep. Perry Statement on FBI Investigation of Hillary Clinton



Representative Scott Perry (R-PA) issued the following statement on the FBI's decision to reopen its investigation into former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s email arrangement:

“There’s a growing belief that America has two standards of justice: one for the well-connected and one for the rest of us. As a result, many Americans have lost faith in institutions like the FBI. The only way to change that perception is restore a pillar of American justice: no one is above the law. Given the waves of new information emerging in recent months, it’s certainly appropriate that the FBI re-open the investigation into Secretary Clinton's emails. We should fight the temptation, however, to prejudge the results; the FBI must follow the facts and be fair in their findings, regardless of political implications/ramifications."

Scott Perry, Oct 2016

 

[BreatheUT]

I would lawyer up and plead the Fifth, just like Trump did. Just like everyone should do if law enforcement and especially a District Attorney try to talk to you.

I said in another post Trump absolutely made the right move. I'll never drag a person for taking the Fifth or seeking counsel. That is our right, and everyone should avail themselves of that right.

Especially if you know it's a witch hunt.

 

[GoBigOrangeUT]

Especially if you know it's a witch hunt.

Or if you have more than 2 functional brain cells in your head.

 

[zeppelin128]

Especially if you know it's a witch hunt.

Regardless if I thought that or not. Trump did exactly what everyone should do in that situation.

 

[hUTch2002]

I don't see a civil war anytime within the next 100 years. I see the federal government being a 1 party authoritarian regime (not too far away from that now) after a national crisis.

Global crisis. The climate.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

The Biden administration is a clown show

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

 

[Weezer]

I found this story interesting.

NY AG may seek ‘corporate death penalty’ for Trump Tower — and all his golf courses: legal expert - Raw Story - Celebrating 18 Years of Independent Journalism

I assume something like this could be appealed, possibly all the way to SCOTUS. That would make for a real political **** storm.

 

[rekinhavoc]

The Biden administration is a clown show

Kudos to Yang.

This will strengthen his third party appeal.

 

[MontyPython]

Did you read your own link? Nothing in it says they found classified material.

Hogg you're doing your whole alternate-universe reality again. Confirmed by multiple legit sources.

National Archives Says It Found ‘Classified National Security Information’ In Boxes At Mar-A-Lago

 

[hog88]

Hogg you're doing your whole alternate-universe reality again. Confirmed by multiple legit sources.

National Archives Says It Found ‘Classified National Security Information’ In Boxes At Mar-A-Lago

In material Trump voluntarily handed over in June, it was at the same time he was handing over those documents in June the FBI recommended he better secure the room that other documents were stored in.

If the FBI was taking boxes of documents in June, looked at other documents and found them to be classified why didn’t they take them then?

 

[0nelilreb]

The Biden administration is a clown show

Those last two tweets could be spot on . The smart political play would be for Trump ( with new solidified support ) to come out after mid terms and publicly support DeSantis . He would steamroll anyone the left put up and it wouldn’t be close .