Federal Indictment of Donald Trump

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Vol8188 said:
Plenty people have went to prison believing that statement.
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Honestly, I'm pretty by the book. I review everything I send to the CPA, I have a working knowledge of the tax code as it applies to me, and I review everything we get back from the CPA before I file, so I'm pretty sure I'm above board.
 
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clarksvol00 said:
Honestly, I'm pretty by the book. I review everything I send to the CPA, I have a working knowledge of the tax code as it applies to me, and I review everything we get back from the CPA before I file, so I'm pretty sure I'm above board.
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Pretty sure and working knowledge aren’t enough to keep you out. Given the size of the tax code it could happen to any of us. The idea that only bad, careless, or ignorant people commit tax fraud I would call misguided given the size of the code
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
Sharing passwords to sensitive sites? Or Netflix? Are you being intellectually honest doctor?
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Why would I be intellectually dishonest with a stranger on a message board about network security and streaming service laws? Or anything, for that matter? Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I'm going to lie to you or make something up.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Sure. We knew she committed a crime. Literally everyone knows she committed a crime. We wanted that investigated and dealt with.

Are you under the impression what she did was not illegal/criminal?

I don't know Trump committed a crime. Do you know if he did?
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I don't know if Trump committed a crime. All we know is a Trump appointed FBI director, a Biden appointed secretary of the DOJ, and a federal judge appointed by Trump signed off on the warrant. That is all we factually know.
 
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volinbham said:
they make mistakes too - chances are you have signed off on incorrect tax filings
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Don't quote me on this, but I'm pretty sure there is a difference between a mistakenly incorrect filing and an intentionally incorrect filing. Both have penalties, but the criminal penalties for intentionally filing a false return are worse and could include jail time.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Pretty sure and working knowledge aren’t enough to keep you out. Given the size of the tax code it could happen to any of us. The idea that only bad, careless, or ignorant people commit tax fraud I would call misguided given the size of the code
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Pretty sure "fraud" has an intent element.
 
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I always use the password "welcome", the same one they gave me 30 years ago when we went on Windows for WorkGroups.
 
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clarksvol00 said:
Don't quote me on this, but I'm pretty sure there is a difference between a mistakenly incorrect filing and an intentionally incorrect filing. Both have penalties, but the criminal penalties for intentionally filing a false return are worse and could include jail time.
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Every crime involves an actus reus (guilty act) like housing your classified emails on a private server in your home; and a mens rea (guilty mind) like intent to use said private server in order to advance some criminal purpose. The government needs to prove both to convict you of a crime.

In a lot of the examples being thrown around in here, the mens rea cannot be proven. I’m more than a little skeptical that there’s a federal crime involving erroneous tax returns that doesn’t require fraudulent intent. In fact, I think I remember reading or hearing about that specifically during the Manafort trial that they could have gone after him with civil claims to retrieve the owed taxes but that extra elements were added by the decision to proceed with criminal claims.

Also, according to Comey the evidence against Hillary did not establish criminal intent, the mens rea.

One other example: inability to prove criminal intent was also the conclusion of the Mueller report regarding many of the instances of possible obstruction of justice that were investigated.
 
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