Federal Indictment of Donald Trump

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clarksvol00 said:
Your level of trust in the FBI is not my problem, it's not Donald Trump's problem, it's not the FBI's problem, it's not a grand jury's problem, it's not the problem of a judge who has to rule on the sufficiency of the warrant, and it's not a trial jury's problem. But so far we've had somebody grant this warrant knowing it is going to create a complete shitstorm.
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The dim that donated to Barry? Surely someone in such a position of authority would only follow the letter of the law and not be an activist on the bench.
 
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clarksvol00 said:
Your level of trust in the FBI is not my problem, it's not Donald Trump's problem, it's not the FBI's problem, it's not a grand jury's problem, it's not the problem of a judge who has to rule on the sufficiency of the warrant, and it's not a trial jury's problem. But so far we've had somebody grant this warrant knowing it is going to create a complete shitstorm.
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And yet they did the same thing with a previous warrant. And yes, institutional trust is extremely important.

Will you agree with me that FBI is acting politically and the public should lose faith in them if nothing of significance turns up from this?
 
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volinbham said:
not exactly how it went down. the investigation had happened considerably earlier and was public knowledge with announcement of findings of wrong doing but no intent to charge - what happened 2 weeks prior was the discovery of more emails from the investigation (I believe from Weiner's laptop that his wife used) and Comey was kind of in a rock/hard place about acknowledging it or not. Still there was considerable hand wringing about the appropriateness of his going public
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I remember how it played out. I also remember the vociferous "lock her up" chants on this board, long before any kind of hearing or anything. No pearl-clutching about process or the Feds when that happened. And no talk of breaking precedent or overreach when a second investigation was launched two weeks before an election...
 
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Vol8188 said:
They were provided emails not laptops, phones, or servers. They would have searched for her phones, computers, laptops, tablets, and servers.
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She said she didn't have most of the phones anymore (this was several years later).

Was there going to be emails on the phone that weren't on the server?
 
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0nelilreb said:
Put him under oak , stick a camera in his face and let’s start asking some questions . I want to see just how fast the wheels of justice can grind to a halt . Lol
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We don't want another Clintocide, but it would tickle me to death to see Trump take down the entire government.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
I remember how it played out. I also remember the vociferous "lock her up" chants on this board, long before any kind of hearing or anything. No pearl-clutching about process or the Feds when that happened. And no talk of breaking precedent or overreach when a second investigation was launched two weeks before an election...
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“I would like to have the attorney general call you or your people,” got dismissed from that call with Zelensky, in 2019, as well.
 
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Vol8188 said:
And yet they did the same thing with a previous warrant. And yes, institutional trust is extremely important.

Will you agree with me that FBI is acting politically and the public should lose faith in them if nothing of significance turns up from this?
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I will not agree with you because I do not know what evidence the warrant was based upon. I have not seen the warrant and I was not privy to whatever evidence was produced to obtain it.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Yes. The second investigation started because of public outcry about the lack of an initial investigation. So if the FBI had acted in a non-partisan way and done their jobs initially, there would have been no investigation 2 weeks before the election.

So you're attempting to claim it was right wing bias on their part, but it was the opposite. The justice department's job is to uphold the law, they didn't in the case of Clinton. That's a simple fact. Now that another democrat is in office they're openly making statements against the supreme court.

The public has 0 confidence in them and 0 reason to have confidence in them.
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I believe it started because of a new set of emails (or believed to be a new set) were found on Anthony Weiner's laptop that his wife Huma A. also used. The initial investigation had been concluded IIRC with Comey's "something for everyone" assessment (yes classified information and violation of law but not likely to get conviction). When the new stash was found they had to examine and he was damned if he acknowledged it and damned if he waited until after the election.

I think the larger point is that HC was given every courtesy by the FBI in the investigation whereas the opposite appears to be the case with Trump. The timing to the election is irrelevant IMHO. It has the appearance of a double standard and over zealous prosecution unless there is something big in the documents (proof of aliens!, nuke codes j/k) or it is pretext for digging for other things.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
I remember how it played out. I also remember the vociferous "lock her up" chants on this board, long before any kind of hearing or anything. No pearl-clutching about process or the Feds when that happened. And no talk of breaking precedent or overreach when a second investigation was launched two weeks before an election...
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It should've happened with dementia Joe as well but social media/fake news media provided cover while he hid in his basement. Hell the dims attempted to frame trump and still botched it. Not too much uproar over that either though.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
I remember how it played out. I also remember the vociferous "lock her up" chants on this board, long before any kind of hearing or anything. No pearl-clutching about process or the Feds when that happened. And no talk of breaking precedent or overreach when a second investigation was launched two weeks before an election...
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So you remember that if the FBI had done their job originally, it would have never happened?

Yes, she openly broke the law. What do you mean by pearl clutching about "process or the feds"?

The problem there wasn't "precedent or overreach". They ignored precedent and underreached. If that had been anyone not named Hillary Clinton, it would have ruined their life. Let a random E1 get caught with classified info on their private email and see how well it goes them.
 
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Velo Vol said:
She said she didn't have most of the phones anymore (this was several years later).

Was there going to be emails on the phone that weren't on the server?
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Given they stated they didn't recover all of the emails, Idk. But did they get her personal phone? Not her blackberry, her personal.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Yes. The second investigation started because of public outcry about the lack of an initial investigation. So if the FBI had acted in a non-partisan way and done their jobs initially, there would have been no investigation 2 weeks before the election.

So you're attempting to claim it was right wing bias on their part, but it was the opposite. The justice department's job is to uphold the law, they didn't in the case of Clinton. That's a simple fact. Now that another democrat is in office they're openly making statements against the supreme court.

The public has 0 confidence in them and 0 reason to have confidence in them.
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I'm not claiming right wing bias regarding Hillary at all. I'm claiming y'all were on board with Hillary being investigated, and convicted her long before the second investigation I might add. But suddenly this with Trump, whatever it is, is a step too far.

Some serious, serious partisanship showing on this board.
 
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Velo Vol said:
You must render a verdict before knowing the facts.
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Yet, we know the facts of the last warrant. We know the political nature of the current Justice Department. Seems there's reason to doubt them.

If they find nothing will you agree with me that the FBI acted in a partisan manner and deserves to lose the faith of the people?
 
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zeppelin128 said:
Woo, y'all been busy in this thread. Have we moved on to "the Fed Bois planted the evidence" narrative yet, or are we still on Monday's talking points?
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Donald Trump suggests FBI agents "planting" evidence at Mar-a-Lago

I don't think it's smart for him to sink to this defense, so soon after the raid. It looks too much like he knows the FBI came away from Mar-a-Lago with classified documents related to national security... and so he is launching a pre-emptive strike.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
I'm not claiming right wing bias regarding Hillary at all. I'm claiming y'all were on board with Hillary being investigated, and convicted her long before the second investigation I might add. But suddenly this with Trump, whatever it is, is a step too far.

Some serious, serious partisanship showing on this board.
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Sure. We knew she committed a crime. Literally everyone knows she committed a crime. We wanted that investigated and dealt with.

Are you under the impression what she did was not illegal/criminal?

I don't know Trump committed a crime. Do you know if he did?
 
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zeppelin128 said:
I'm not claiming right wing bias regarding Hillary at all. I'm claiming y'all were on board with Hillary being investigated, and convicted her long before the second investigation I might add. But suddenly this with Trump, whatever it is, is a step too far.

Some serious, serious partisanship showing on this board.
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Lol. So what changed in the 2 months from the meeting with the fbi up until they raided the President’s home?
 
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