Federal Indictment of Donald Trump

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So all you super sleuths help me out here. IF this is ONLY about him having classified evidence in his possession (that the GSA packaged up and sent him), why is it still considered classified.

Btw I suspect this is the case because for Dems its easy to prove since if its in his possession, then viola, proof of the crime.

But as President, he (and only the President has that power) can declassify anything he wants to. Are they going to really try to make a case that because he may have taken materials that were classified but may not have put in the paperwork to declassify them (which he has every power to do), he has committed a crime? really? and you expect that to fly and to disqualify him from running again? HAHAHAHAHAHAAHHA
 
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Gandalf said:
So all you super sleuths help me out here. IF this is ONLY about him having classified evidence in his possession (that the GSA packaged up and sent him), why is it still considered classified.

Btw I suspect this is the case because for Dems its easy to prove since if its in his possession, then viola, proof of the crime.

But as President, he (and only the President has that power) can declassify anything he wants to. Are they going to really try to make a case that because he may have taken materials that were classified but may not have put in the paperwork to declassify them (which he has every power to do), he has committed a crime? really? and you expect that to fly and to disqualify him from running again? HAHAHAHAHAHAAHHA
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My understanding is if he says he declassified them then is not questionable.
 
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Gandalf said:
So all you super sleuths help me out here. IF this is ONLY about him having classified evidence in his possession (that the GSA packaged up and sent him), why is it still considered classified.

Btw I suspect this is the case because for Dems its easy to prove since if its in his possession, then viola, proof of the crime.

But as President, he (and only the President has that power) can declassify anything he wants to. Are they going to really try to make a case that because he may have taken materials that were classified but may not have put in the paperwork to declassify them (which he has every power to do), he has committed a crime? really? and you expect that to fly and to disqualify him from running again? HAHAHAHAHAHAAHHA
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I wouldn’t put it past Trump to take classified documents that make certain people look bad as leverage, with threats to release the info. Now those people have pulled enough strings to get it back.
 
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Interestingly, the FBI/DoJ hasn't leaked the warrant, affidavit, etc to the media. It must be flimsy as hell.
 
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Gandalf said:
So all you super sleuths help me out here. IF this is ONLY about him having classified evidence in his possession (that the GSA packaged up and sent him), why is it still considered classified.

Btw I suspect this is the case because for Dems its easy to prove since if its in his possession, then viola, proof of the crime.

But as President, he (and only the President has that power) can declassify anything he wants to. Are they going to really try to make a case that because he may have taken materials that were classified but may not have put in the paperwork to declassify them (which he has every power to do), he has committed a crime? really? and you expect that to fly and to disqualify him from running again? HAHAHAHAHAHAAHHA
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This isn't about "classified documents" since damn near ever document associated with a POTUS is classified at some level. This is about politics and the Bidnen administration using a dispute between Trump and the National Archives (which other presidents have had) for political purposes.
 
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volgr said:
Interestingly, the FBI/DoJ hasn't leaked the warrant, affidavit, etc to the media. It must be flimsy as hell.
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If it were flimsy then Trump would have released it

Our maybe he put it on Trump social and everyone missed it
 
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utvolpj said:
If it were flimsy then Trump would have released it
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He doesn’t get the affidavit until indicted. Somebody posted a story the other day that Judge had given DOJ until Monday to respond to a motion to unseal the warrant.

Given that the motion contains information about an uncharged individual, I imagine it will remain sealed.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
He doesn’t get the affidavit until indicted. Somebody posted a story the other day that Judge had given DOJ until Monday to respond to a motion to unseal the warrant.

Given that the motion contains information about an uncharged individual, I imagine it will remain sealed.
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He received a copy of the warrant and the items taken right?
 
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utvolpj said:
He received a copy of the warrant and the items taken right?
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The warrant has at least three parts:
The affidavit, which sets out the facts supporting probable cause.
The warrant, which is the document signed by the judge that authorizes search of specific place and would give some information.
The inventory, which shows what was taken.

Cops Do their thing. Fill out the inventory, and then provide a copy of copies of only the warrant and the inventory to the resident are left at the property. They return the original to the court, keeping a copy for themselves.

So the warrant would provide some elucidation of the facts, but not as much as the affidavit and there’s 0 chance the affidavit is coming out before indictment because it would risk burning their sources before the investigation is complete.

Edit #45 or something: this is not to say that indictment is imminent, just that, in my opinion, they won’t unseal the affidavit without an indictment and then it may be redacted.
 
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utvolpj said:
If it were flimsy then Trump would have released it
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You let the suspense build, because the longer he doesn't release it (and I don't think he has it, it will likely stay sealed) the better it is when the gov't finally releases it and there is nothing there.

What Trump should release right now would video of the FBI going through his wife's delicates, if it actually happened.

Like I said, if there were any meat to this, it would have already leaked to the media. The point of this, in my opinion, was for optics and trying to goad the right into doing something stupid. The Dems are toast in November, they know that. Their only hope is to reshuffle the deck through chaos and hope a wild card emerges.
 
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MontyPython said:
Dude, per the right-wing NY Post:

"Classified information was found in the 15 boxes of White House records that were stored at former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence, the National Archives and Records Administration said Friday in a letter that confirmed the matter has been sent to the Justice Department."
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Is it your contention that the NARA confirmed in a letter on Friday (August 5) that boxes retrieved from the residence Monday (August 8) contained classified material?

That is pretty impressive! Time travel perhaps? However, if one looks at this wording, it does support Hog's argument. The boxes were stored there. It was the 15 boxes turned over back in June as Hog pointed out. The reporting has been very confusing over this. There were 15 boxes turned over back in June. While I wouldn't bet five dollars on the number of boxes retrieved Monday, the most consistent number I have heard is twelve.

Slow down. Read what is being reported and cross check it against other sources. Too many folks are skimming for words that support their pre-conceived notions and saying "Ah HAH!"
 
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volgr said:
You let the suspense build, because the longer he doesn't release it (and I don't think he has it, it will likely stay sealed) the better it is when the gov't finally releases it and there is nothing there.

What Trump should release right now would video of the FBI going through his wife's delicates, if it actually happened.

Like I said, if there were any meat to this, it would have already leaked to the media. The point of this, in my opinion, was for optics and trying to goad the right into doing something stupid. The Dems are toast in November, they know that. Their only hope is to reshuffle the deck through chaos and hope a wild card emerges.
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Then he would be setting up the suspense and not hiding. That's who he is
 
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Gandalf said:
So all you super sleuths help me out here. IF this is ONLY about him having classified evidence in his possession (that the GSA packaged up and sent him), why is it still considered classified.

Btw I suspect this is the case because for Dems its easy to prove since if its in his possession, then viola, proof of the crime.

But as President, he (and only the President has that power) can declassify anything he wants to. Are they going to really try to make a case that because he may have taken materials that were classified but may not have put in the paperwork to declassify them (which he has every power to do), he has committed a crime? really? and you expect that to fly and to disqualify him from running again? HAHAHAHAHAHAAHHA
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If they are classified as of today, then he cannot simply declassify them.
 
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hog88 said:
This isn't about "classified documents" since damn near ever document associated with a POTUS is classified at some level. This is about politics and the Bidnen administration using a dispute between Trump and the National Archives (which other presidents have had) for political purposes.
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We keep saying this, but it is not registering.
 
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Caculator said:
My understanding is if he says he declassified them then is not questionable.
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Any classified data item that is declassified will have the appropriate paper trail showing that is what occurred. Nobody’s word is good enough.

And even if these were all personal documents, or what are called “working papers” in the proper vernacular, by law there is only a 30 day grace period in which to either A) bring the documents within proper document control and logging process for tracking or B) destroying the working papers. That applies for all forms of US government classified material.
 
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Any classified data item that is declassified will have the appropriate paper trail showing that is what occurred. Nobody’s word is good enough.

And even if these were all personal documents, or what are called “working papers” in the proper vernacular, by law there is only a 30 day grace period in which to either A) bring the documents within proper document control and logging process for tracking or B) destroying the working papers. That applies for all forms of US government classified material.
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Good post with good info.
 
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Gandalf said:
So all you super sleuths help me out here. IF this is ONLY about him having classified evidence in his possession (that the GSA packaged up and sent him), why is it still considered classified.

Btw I suspect this is the case because for Dems its easy to prove since if its in his possession, then viola, proof of the crime.

But as President, he (and only the President has that power) can declassify anything he wants to. Are they going to really try to make a case that because he may have taken materials that were classified but may not have put in the paperwork to declassify them (which he has every power to do), he has committed a crime? really? and you expect that to fly and to disqualify him from running again? HAHAHAHAHAHAAHHA
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Classification authority rests with the OFFICE of the president not the individual. Donald Trump the private citizen has no authorization authority. See the post above. The methods for handling, tracking, and declassifying material are well established.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Good post with good info.
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I had this beaten into my thick hillbilly skull for 35 years in yearly training. While I’ll admit I’m in the camp of thinking this is more political driven and less actual care about classified material handling, any narrative ignoring standard classified material handling processes rings quite hollow on me.
 
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