Federal Indictment of Donald Trump

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NorthDallas40 said:
I just heard this same article referenced on the news. If somebody has direct knowledge of classified information being held improperly then by law and their training they are to notify the FBI. The training I had said to specifically contact the FBI. That doesn’t mean multiple agendas are in play here however.
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I think the FBI probably has the luxury of continuing to believe that they're 'personal' belief is right along with the fact that they are also legally and technically right.
 
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Septic said:
I think the FBI probably has the luxury of continuing to believe that they're 'personal' belief is right along with the fact that they are also legally and technically right.
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It’s easy to claim righteousness when the law sets you up to do so. I do think by and large most of the field agents try to color within the lines. Generally at some point the culmination of their work will have them in a witness stand and any demonstrated lack of candor undermines them in that and any future work. But at a certain pay grade and amplified by the DC cesspool they’re all politically motivated lackeys it looks like to me. Like I said earlier you can have some basis within the law to act while also having the political motivation to do so too.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
It’s easy to claim righteousness when the law sets you up to do so. I do think by and large most of the field agents try to color within the lines. Generally at some point the culmination of their work will have them in a witness stand and any demonstrated lack of candor undermines them in that and any future work. But at a certain pay grade and amplified by the DC cesspool they’re all politically motivated lackeys it looks like to me. Like I said earlier you can have some basis within the law to act while also having the political motivation to do so too.
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Gotta play the political game to get promoted in government.
 
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Gandalf said:
But that would be the textbook definition of extortion, easily prosecuted - but no one is making that claim or even whispering it.



Of course, if he writes something on a napkin - that is classified. And of course, this is just (to mangle a Clausewitz phrase) a mere continuation of politics by other means.



That is true, since he is no longer President. But how can they prove that there was no intent to declassify any that might remain unclassified? Basically they would attempt to use a procedural error to eliminate the main political rival from running for election? Highly doubt that is going to work and is not a good look for the Dems - even for those who so badly want orange man in prison. I mean, if you really want that, find something worthwhile. You have been working at it for over 5 years (and frankly I am surprised myself that nothing came up really of significance).
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Intent to declassify doesn't mean crap.
 
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Weird, so you mean Trump thumbed his nose at his legal obligations and this forced the FBI's hand. Doesn't really fit with the victim narrative

 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
I have read about mail-in voting. You are going to info that favors your views. Plenty of other information out there that states otherwise. You have to look at both sides and then form your opinion on which facts are more plausible. That’s what I do.
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Keep in mind the video and links I posted were not to news media sources who can be summarily dismissed for having a partisan agenda.

If you believe that mail-in/absentee voting really does lead to widespread fraud, and you are aware of "plenty of information out there that states otherwise," then you should post some links to your sources of information, so those specific claims can be examined, and the sources of those claims appropriately scrutinized.

As of right now, you are doing nothing more than making unsubstantiated claims.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
If you believe that mail-in/absentee voting really does lead to widespread fraud
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I feel like I am back to arguing about cloth masks with maskholes showing me model data saying they are 99.6969% effective. Meanwhile every RCT done before 2020 showed the opposite.

It is well know, before 2020, that mail in voting had the greatest opportunity for fraud. I think there was a blue ribbon commission from years ago that backed that up. It's common sense.

Now, some States, who have done mail in balloting have, over time, become pretty good at it and can handle mass mail in balloting. So I'm not saying it cant be done, but you cant take a State that has only dealt with limited mail in balloting and expect them to be able to flawlessly administor an election like 2020 with mass mail in balloting.
 
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