Ferguson Riots

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#103
I understand the threat that was going on at the time but my problem w/this is shooting someone 8 times to end that threat. I mean was he already down on the ground wounded at a certain time & was still being shot like a rabid dog?
 
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govols/cc said:
Maybe she should ask why he fought with police.
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Her quote was really bizarre. Something to the effect that the police officer didn't have a right to kill her son, but her son belonged to her, so she was the only one with the right to kill him? Not sure I followed her logic.
 
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CNCVol88 said:
As Septic said does it really matter? Maybe Tim or Grand can shed light on this but aren't LEO trained to Aim Low from the feet, through center mass, and to the head until the clip is empty?
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lol, no. Unless you're being sarcastic, which I kinda suspect you might be. But I'll explain for others that can't grasp the concept of lethal force application.

Depending on the qual course they go through, double or triple taps. Two to the chest, one to the head. Center mass double taps are still taught in some places and are equally valid.

Good theory in practice, doesn't always apply in the heat of the moment. And as stated, shoot until the threat stops performing the act which led you to shoot in the first place. Sometimes that's one shot, sometimes you have to empty the mag. Lot of conditional factors involved here.
 
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W.TN.Orange Blood said:
I dunno....maybe after the 1st hit would be a shock to anyone being plugged w/a bullet since I would think it would hurt like hell.
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So if you have a gun, someone is trying to attack you and also take your gun. You shoot them once say it hits a shoulder or arm. You think they can't still fight you and try to wrestle that gun away from you then shoot you? You shoot to eliminate the threat, yes maybe 8 was excessive idk the situation fully to know if it was but if the guy did attack a cop and went for his gun he basically sealed his own fate. At that point the cop can only assume his own life is in danger. If it comes out the guy was running away or had given up then yes we have a different situation.
 
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W.TN.Orange Blood said:
I understand the threat that was going on at the time but my problem w/this is shooting someone 8 times to end that threat. I mean was he already down on the ground wounded at a certain time & was still being shot like a rabid dog?
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What does it matter? You won't get the answer you want but if you have to fire your weapon & it's a justified shooting then it needs to do its job.
 
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W.TN.Orange Blood said:
I understand the threat that was going on at the time but my problem w/this is shooting someone 8 times to end that threat. I mean was he already down on the ground wounded at a certain time & was still being shot like a rabid dog?
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So you know for a fact the individual in this case was lying on the ground and the cop continued to shoot?

No, you don't. You're making stupid assumptions here and trying to Monday Morning Quarterback things that are completely outside your education and experience levels.
 
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Re the multiple shots, one other point that needs to be made is that the officer does not fire, then check on the guy again, then fire, then check the guy again, etc. It is often the case that the clip is emptied.

And having previously decried any speculation, I would add that the picture I've seen is of a very large guy. It is certainly possible that he was fatally hit, and bleeding out, but still moving as the officer fired.
 
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CNCVol88 said:
As Septic said does it really matter? Maybe Tim or Grand can shed light on this but aren't LEO trained to Aim Low from the feet, through center mass, and to the head until the clip is empty?
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It matters I would think. Say the officer missed a couple shots? It was dark right? Maybe the officer wore glasses and they were broken in the scuffle?

Lots of what ifs here....
 
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lawgator1 said:
Re the multiple shots, one other point that needs to be made is that the officer does not fire, then check on the guy again, then fire, then check the guy again, etc. It is often the case that the clip is emptied.

And having previously decried any speculation, I would add that the picture I've seen is of a very large guy. It is certainly possible that he was fatally hit, and bleeding out, but still moving as the officer fired.
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And without a good CNS hit, a target can still continue the acts until they bleed out. And even with a good arterial shot, can still take can take another 4.6 second for an average male to lose 20% of blood volume.

http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?4328-Basic-Wound-Ballistic-Terminal-Performance-Facts

4.6 seconds is a lifetime when struggling for control of a weapon. And that's a minimum time.

ETA: It's a mag, not a clip you gun hating liberal.
 
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Grand Vol said:
lol, no. Unless you're being sarcastic, which I kinda suspect you might be. But I'll explain for others that can't grasp the concept of lethal force application.

Depending on the qual course they go through, double or triple taps. Two to the chest, one to the head. Center mass double taps are still taught in some places and are equally valid.

Good theory in practice, doesn't always apply in the heat of the moment. And as stated, shoot until the threat stops performing the act which led you to shoot in the first place. Sometimes that's one shot, sometimes you have to empty the mag. Lot of conditional factors involved here.
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That's what I was seriously lead to believe. Thank you for clearing it up.
 
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CNCVol88 said:
That's what I was seriously lead to believe. Thank you for clearing it up.
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Military machine gun fire and automatic rifle fire is taught to aim low due to the rise of the weapon. But pistol and single rifles shots start center mass.
 
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Grand Vol said:
So you know for a fact the individual in this case was lying on the ground and the cop continued to shoot?

No, you don't. You're making stupid assumptions here and trying to Monday Morning Quarterback things that are completely outside your education and experience levels.
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Well, excuse the hell out of me GV for asking questions here. :) Not all of us go packing w/our pistols on the hip & start shooting someone 8 times to feel better about ourselves to eliminate a threat.
 
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Strip club rules apply in this case.....you don't touch the girls or bad things happen to you....touch the cops and bad things happen as well.

I'm sick and tired of hearing excuses for such idiotic behavior.
 
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