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I love ATL boys Jordan McRae and Trae Golden.

Is there any way we close with Chris Crawford, Jayvaughn Pinkston Tobias Harris?

Bruce Pearl will have more than made up for Selby IMO if he gets what I would think would have to be the best class in TN recruiting history.

Ernie and Bernie were better as a duo, but we have never to my knowledge approached a class with 5 top 100 players before.
 
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
Also what about Jelan Kendrick, CJ Leslie, Josh Smith, Luke Cothron and Tarik Black?
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I could only see CJ Leslie if UK doesnt want him and Cothron is a possibility.. I just don't think with we have a shot at all with Kendrick and Josh Smith.. Tarik Black is a Tiger imo
 
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
I love ATL boys Jordan McRae and Trae Golden.

Is there any way we close with Chris Crawford, Jayvaughn Pinkston Tobias Harris?

Bruce Pearl will have more than made up for Selby IMO if he gets what I would think would have to be the best class in TN recruiting history.

Ernie and Bernie were better as a duo, but we have never to my knowledge approached a class with 5 top 100 players before.
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No, maybe, no.
 
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No on Crawford? Rivals could be off on this one, but we are the only school listed for High interest on his page.
 
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ukvols said:
No on Crawford? Rivals could be off on this one, but we are the only school listed for High interest on his page.
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I may be thinking about someone else, but I am pretty sure Crawford is going to be Memphis bound.

Don't ever trust Rivals for hoops.
 
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emainvol said:
I may be thinking about someone else, but I am pretty sure Crawford is going to be Memphis bound.

Don't ever trust Rivals for hoops.
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Everything I have read says we are leading on Crawford. Not saying you are wrong, but I just hadn't read anything indicating that.
 
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kiffinator13 said:
Everything I have read says we are leading on Crawford. Not saying you are wrong, but I just hadn't read anything indicating that.
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I am a bit behind the curve on basketball recruiting, but I was under the impression that Memphis had gained quickly.
 
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
Emain doesnt the Memphis backcourt look more full than ours with Barton's brother getting the promise of some time?
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That really depends on how the rest of this class shapes up, that said does Tennessee really need to be worrying about another guard right now? If this kid was some can't miss stud, I could see it, but they have two better guards already signed for this class. They need to focus on frontcourt players.

Hell the only reason anyone even cares about this guy is because of one shot.
 
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I am pretty confident with Crawford. I have no inside sources and recruiting is crazy - but I think Memphis is slow playing him too much telling him to go to prep school. We will take him now.

We are looking to take one more guard because Bruce knows Hopson very well might leave if he is playing as well as he supposedly is. Plus, even if he doesn't leave, we have 6 scholarships available because we will get the APR (not sure thats the right acronym) scholarship back and have room to take one on.

Kendrick and Smith are big no's.

Bigs we have a legitimate chance with: Cothron, Pinkston, Harris, Black, and Leslie.

Leslie may be a major stretch to be on that list but I'll leave him there because a list of five needing two sounds better than a list of 4 needing two! :)

It seems we have made a major push recently with Cothron and he just took an unofficial. Said he will be back for an official - none of the big boys are in on him really and I'm liking our chances here.

Pinkston is super super hard to read. We were at once in his assumed top two with St Johns. A few months ago an article came out saying we weren't even in his top seven. I still like our chances because we are one of the best schools results wise on his list.

The big boys are all in on Harris and we will have to wait and see. That is all there really is to be said.

Black is supposedly a heavy Memphis lean but we will keep recruiting him and maybe if we bring in his teammate Crawford we will get an edge. Or not :)

My personal guess is:

PG - Golden
SG - Crawford
SF - McRae
PF - Pinkston
C - Cothron

But LOTS of things could happen between now and when the 2010 class steps on campus in Ktown.
 
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Also...

1)Hopson is here for at least two more years and probably all three.
2)If Memphis needs Crawford to go to prep school, you have to think it has something to do with his chances to qualify. If he won't qualify at Memphis, he won't qualify at Tennessee.
 
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emainvol said:
Also...

1)Hopson is here for at least two more years and probably all three.
2)If Memphis needs Crawford to go to prep school, you have to think it has something to do with his chances to qualify. If he won't qualify at Memphis, he won't qualify at Tennessee.
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1) You know this how exactly?

2) Yes there are rumors about him possibly not qualifying. I don't exactly remember the reasoning, but the reason Memphis is scared to take him had something to do with their need for players right away - not after a year of prep school. UT can take him now and if he goes to prep school, it wouldn't kill us.

Upon reading that, it didn't make too much sense. I have obviously left out an important detail that I can't seem to remember :crazy::blush2::dunno:
 
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OrangeSuspenders said:
1) You know this how exactly?

2) Yes there are rumors about him possibly not qualifying. I don't exactly remember the reasoning, but the reason Memphis is scared to take him had something to do with their need for players right away - not after a year of prep school. UT can take him now and if he goes to prep school, it wouldn't kill us.

Upon reading that, it didn't make too much sense. I have obviously left out an important detail that I can't seem to remember :crazy::blush2::dunno:
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1) He's not NBA ready now, and I doubt he will be anytime soon.
2) It's really a moot point, he isn't and likely won't be good enough to start. A little bench depth wouldn't hurt, but when it comes down to it, I would much rather see Bruce either sign another kid that can play the point or go all front court.
 
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emainvol said:
1) He's not NBA ready now, and I doubt he will be anytime soon.
2) It's really a moot point, he isn't and likely won't be good enough to start. A little bench depth wouldn't hurt, but when it comes down to it, I would much rather see Bruce either sign another kid that can play the point or go all front court.
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1) Its not always about being ready - the kid has a ton of potential; He and scouts both see it. And if that potential will get him in the first round, he will seriously consider his options.

I'd love to have him through his senior year, but you can only play professional basketball for so long and he and Bruce both realize that.

2) He wouldn't be a "little bench depth". I have no idea where that came from. He could easily end up the backup shooting guard his freshman year. And in Bruce's system, the backup shooting guard will see close to the minutes of the starting SG provided that they are of similar skill levels.

What do you have against Crawford? He has ELITE shooting ability. He's no slouch in the athleticism and passing departments either. I'd LOVE to add him to our class, not sure why you wouldn't.

Another point to consider, taking Crawford doesn't affect us getting two posts. Golden, Crawford, and McRae would give us three guards in the class. We can take 6 kids (7 if Hopson leaves; we will probably sign five though) leaving us plenty of room for two posts. The two are totally unrelated.
 
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OrangeSuspenders said:
1) Its not always about being ready - the kid has a ton of potential; He and scouts both see it. And if that potential will get him in the first round, he will seriously consider his options.

I'd love to have him through his senior year, but you can only play professional basketball for so long and he and Bruce both realize that.

2) He wouldn't be a "little bench depth". I have no idea where that came from. He could easily end up the backup shooting guard his freshman year. And in Bruce's system, the backup shooting guard will see close to the minutes of the starting SG provided that they are of similar skill levels.

What do you have against Crawford? He has ELITE shooting ability. He's no slouch in the athleticism and passing departments either. I'd LOVE to add him to our class, not sure why you wouldn't.

Another point to consider, taking Crawford doesn't affect us getting two posts. Golden, Crawford, and McRae would give us three guards in the class. We can take 6 kids (7 if Hopson leaves; we will probably sign five though) leaving us plenty of room for two posts. The two are totally unrelated.
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If Hopson leaves and Tatum gets kicked off the team, then yes.

I think I have already made my feelings on why I don't want Crawford pretty clear. There are other needs and better options out there.

I also wonder why you seem to think that two posts are the only need in the front court. UT needs 3 or 4 players in the frontcourt. Chism, Smith, Prince, Tabb and Maze will all be gone. Three of those guys are starters in the frontcourt, and it's not exactly deep to begin with. The remaining 4 schollies should go to forwards and another PG if anything. Crawford is neither. I don't know why UT basketball fans want to keep playing guys out of position.
 
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emainvol said:
If Hopson leaves and Tatum gets kicked off the team, then yes.

I think I have already made my feelings on why I don't want Crawford pretty clear. There are other needs and better options out there.
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Only the first of the two ifs needs to come true.

Assuming Hopson goes pro and our five seniors graduate we would be left with:

PG - Golden and Goins
SG - Tatum and Crawford (theoretically)
SF - Woolridge and McRae
PF - Eman and post recruit
C - Hall and post recruit

Williams doesn't count in my mind :dunno:

That would mean our class is:
Golden, Crawford, McRae, post, and post

Once again, it does NOT affect our other needs (posts).

What other SGs are better than Crawford that we are involved with?
 
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OrangeSuspenders said:
Only the first of the two ifs needs to come true.

Assuming Hopson goes pro and our five seniors graduate we would be left with:

PG - Golden and Goins
SG - Tatum and Crawford (theoretically)
SF - Woolridge and McRae
PF - Eman and post recruit
C - Hall and post recruit

Williams doesn't count in my mind :dunno:

That would mean our class is:
Golden, Crawford, McRae, post, and post

Once again, it does NOT affect our other needs (posts).

What other SGs are better than Crawford that we are involved with?
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Who said I wanted UT to sign another shooting guard?

If Williams doesn't count, in your mind, that leaves Negedu in the frontcourt next year.
 
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Also, if Woolridge is getting significant minutes, the Vols will be in major trouble.

You are working on the assumption that Hopson leaves... I am telling you he isn't going anywhere for at least two years.
 
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emainvol said:
Who said I wanted UT to sign another shooting guard?

If Williams doesn't count, in your mind, that leaves Negedu in the frontcourt next year.
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You said it when you said something along the lines of "and better options out there" referring to better SG options.

It actually leaves Negedu and Hall. Everyone overlooks hall for some reason. But that is why we need two posts in the 2010 class. With two posts more posts, Bruce would have no problem running his 9 to 10 man rotation; even without Williams (who will, rather already has, played himself out of the rotation).

emainvol said:
Also, if Woolridge is getting significant minutes, the Vols will be in major trouble.

You are working on the assumption that Hopson leaves... I am telling you he isn't going anywhere for at least two years.
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Wait so you are saying that if a kid isn't ready to play in his true freshman season, he won't be able to by his junior year no matter what? How do you know Woolridge won't improve? Your logic baffles me.

And I'm telling you that you have NO way of knowing that unless you know Scotty personally. And even if you did, he could very well change his mind from now til then. But if you are so sure, I guess we should just tell Scotty so that he knows he's staying too. Ummmm :no1:
 
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OrangeSuspenders said:
You said it when you said something along the lines of "and better options out there" referring to better SG options.

It actually leaves Negedu and Hall. Everyone overlooks hall for some reason. But that is why we need two posts in the 2010 class. With two posts more posts, Bruce would have no problem running his 9 to 10 man rotation; even without Williams (who will, rather already has, played himself out of the rotation).



Wait so you are saying that if a kid isn't ready to play in his true freshman season, he won't be able to by his junior year no matter what? How do you know Woolridge won't improve? Your logic baffles me.

And I'm telling you that you have NO way of knowing that unless you know Scotty personally. And even if you did, he could very well change his mind from now til then. But if you are so sure, I guess we should just tell Scotty so that he knows he's staying too. Ummmm :no1:
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No, I wasn't referring to shooting guard options.

You are right, I completely left Kenny Hall out. The frontcourt will still be dreadfully devoid of real talent.

In regards to Woolridge, what have you seen out of him to make you think he can be a contributor? I have seen nothing.

In regards to Hopson, I will be the first person to admit I was wrong if he comes out after this season. I don't expect to be wrong. The draft class next year is much better than it was this year... he would be a fool to leave unless he shows an insane amount of improvement.

Do you really think Crawford can play the point in a major conference? That's the only way I think UT should take him.
 
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emainvol said:
You are right, I completely left Kenny Hall out.

In regards to Woolridge, what have you seen out of him to make you think he can be a contributor? I have seen nothing.

In regards to Hopson, I will be the first person to admit I was wrong if he comes out after this season. I don't expect to be wrong. The draft class next year is much better than it was this year... he would be a fool to leave unless he shows an insane amount of improvement.
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You are right - Woolridge hasn't showed us much, YET. But his junior year is one full season and two offseasons worth of improvement away. Woolridge would have been redshirted if Prince didn't have a minor injury at the beginning of the year and thus, he wasn't supposed to show much this year anyways. But it is obvious the talent is there and the size is always nice. Also, he seems very level headed. I don't see how anyone could rule him out being a good or potentially great in his junior and senior years.

Hopson - I'm not saying you are right or wrong. And I would have been fine with it if you said "I think Hopson will....." but instead you insisted "I know Hopson will...."
Everyone has their opinions and yours may or may not be right, but in this case, no one, not even Scotty, is sure of what he is going to do at this moment.
 
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