Final batch of JFK Files released by Trump

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Squints said:
Place Oswald in the 6th floor window (don’t give me Brennan... he “placed LHO there” after coercion and seeing a lineup). Until anyone can do that, the LHO pitch is pure conjecture. Remember what Captain Fritz said.....

I have neither the time nor the patience to lay it all out, but if Oswald was on the 6th floor and fired the Carcano, explain the paraffin test. False positives were much more common than a false negative. I’m not going to touch the lunchroom/stairwell incident. We could fill up the Library of Congress with the events/timelines from 12:30pm, on 11/22/63, to the immediate moments following, before Oswald ever left the TSBD.
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Stop... was it even a Carcano or was it a mouser?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
People like who?

JAMES FETZER: Tampering with the limo in the JFK Altgens6
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I have seen 3 or 4 different people from the Ford plant who said the hole definitely came from the outside in, and that the windshield was replaced with a new one, made to look like it cracked feom the rear...the original was destroyed under orders.

Just read all of the Harvey and Lee stuff..wow. all the info about Jack ruby running guns to Cuba for the CIA is damming also...especially since ruby spent 3 years telling anyone who would listen that he killed Oswald to silence him. Pretty clear the CIA killed our sitting president. Guess they hid it for long enough to matter though. If that was my grandfather, etc...I would still be raising major Hell about it though. Wonder why the Kennedy family doesnt?
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
I have seen 3 or 4 different people from the Ford plant who said the hole definitely came from the outside in, and that the windshield was replaced with a new one, made to look like it cracked feom the rear...the original was destroyed under orders.

Just read all of the Harvey and Lee stuff..wow. all the info about Jack ruby running guns to Cuba for the CIA is damming also...especially since ruby spent 3 years telling anyone who would listen that he killed Oswald to silence him. Pretty clear the CIA killed our sitting president. Guess they hid it for long enough to matter though. If that was my grandfather, etc...I would still be raising major Hell about it though. Wonder why the Kennedy family doesnt?
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what family? I know there are still Kennedy out there, but it looks like they got too big and the other powers shut them down.
 
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LouderVol said:
what family? I know there are still Kennedy out there, but it looks like they got too big and the other powers shut them down.
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Yeah, I know almost nothing about them. I remember drunk old Ted kennedy..finally got rid of him..and 1 of them killed a lady? Driving drunk...if memory serves, that family seems to be "cursed"...though there is no such thing as a curse..but you know what I mean. Lots of bad, bad things happened to that family
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Yeah, I know almost nothing about them. I remember drunk old Ted Kennedy..finally got rid of him..and 1 of them killed a lady? Driving drunk...if memory serves, that family seems to be "cursed"...though there is no such thing as a curse..but you know what I mean. Lots of bad, bad things happened to that family
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Same guy
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Yeah, I know almost nothing about them. I remember drunk old Ted kennedy..finally got rid of him..and 1 of them killed a lady? Driving drunk...if memory serves, that family seems to be "cursed"...though there is no such thing as a curse..but you know what I mean. Lots of bad, bad things happened to that family
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That was Teddy... Chappaquiddick.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
That was Teddy... Chappaquiddick.
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For folks who aren't old enough to remember, there was a celebration party after Bobby Kennedy won some primary while running for the Dem nomination. At the party, were ( I believe) 6 somewhat older married men and 6 single women in their 20's, who worked for the campaign. Liquor was freely flowing, according to reports. What could possibly go wrong?

Anyway, married Ted, aka Edward, was driving with one of the young women, Mary Jo Kopechne, in his car and ran off a bridge, which resulted in her drowning. He was apparently drunk, and so he disappeared for a few hours to sober up, and come up with a story. He saved his own ass, but apparently left her to drown. It kept him from being President. He would have gotten elected because people loved the Kennedys, and his 2 brothers were shot and killed.
 
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1972 Grad said:
For folks who aren't old enough to remember, there was a celebration party after Bobby Kennedy won some primary while running for the Dem nomination. At the party, were ( I believe) 6 somewhat older married men and 6 single women in their 20's, who worked for the campaign. Liquor was freely flowing, according to reports. What could possibly go wrong?

Anyway, married Ted, aka Edward, was driving with one of the young women, Mary Jo Kopechne, in his car and ran off a bridge, which resulted in her drowning. He was apparently drunk, and so he disappeared for a few hours to sober up, and come up with a story. He saved his own ass, but apparently left her to drown. It kept him from being President. He would have gotten elected because people loved the Kennedys, and his 2 brothers were shot and killed.
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The party was in 1969 after RFK was dead but it was for the RFK campaign.

An interesting tidbit, it that Mary Jo Kopechne's roommate in the early 60's was Nancy Carole Tyler from Lenoir City. Both girls worked for George Smathers (D from FL) and Tyler went on to work for Bobby Baker who was LBJ's right-hand man.

Baker was an interesting character on the shady side. In 1961, Baker with the help from Tyler created the Quorum Club in the Carroll Arms Hotel in DC. It was a private club for lobbyists, influencers, senators, & congressmen. Lots of booze, gambling, and girls.

Baker later came under investigation regarding kickbacks to LBJ. In fact, on the day of JFK's assassination there were senate hearing regarding this matter.
 
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Boca Vol said:
The party was in 1969 after RFK was dead but it was for the RFK campaign.

An interesting tidbit, it that Mary Jo Kopechne's roommate in the early 60's was Nancy Carole Tyler from Lenoir City. Both girls worked for George Smathers (D from FL) and Tyler went on to work for Bobby Baker who was LBJ's right-hand man.

Baker was an interesting character on the shady side. In 1961, Baker with the help from Tyler created the Quorum Club in the Carroll Arms Hotel in DC. It was a private club for lobbyists, influencers, senators, & congressmen. Lots of booze, gambling, and girls.

Baker later came under investigation regarding kickbacks to LBJ. In fact, on the day of JFK's assassination there were senate hearing regarding this matter.
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I remember Bobby Baker's troubles, and I remember Smathers. I didn't remember that the Kopechne deal was after the RFK assassination, but I knew it was campaign related. Thanks.

An interesting story about the RFK assassination. I was living in Reese Hall at the time, and watched the returns from the California primary up until about 3 a.m. if my memory is right. I was studying for finals in Spring Quarter (on a quarter system then), and I believe it was in early June without looking it up.

I stayed up and watched Bobby give his speech, and then turn around and leave the stage. I turned off the tv and went to bed. He walked off the stage and was shot almost immediately. I was having trouble getting to sleep, so I turned the tv back on several minutes later, and found out the horrible news.
 
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1972 Grad said:
I remember Bobby Baker's troubles, and I remember Smathers. I didn't remember that the Kopechne deal was after the RFK assassination, but I knew it was campaign related. Thanks.

An interesting story about the RFK assassination. I was living in Reese Hall at the time, and watched the returns from the California primary up until about 3 a.m. if my memory is right. I was studying for finals in Spring Quarter (on a quarter system then), and I believe it was in early June without looking it up.

I stayed up and watched Bobby give his speech, and then turn around and leave the stage. I turned off the tv and went to bed. He walked off the stage and was shot almost immediately. I was having trouble getting to sleep, so I turned the tv back on several minutes later, and found out the horrible news.
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Wow. That's pretty much how it happened. It was around midnight in CA so it would've been 3AM in K-town.
 
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Boca Vol said:
Wow. That's pretty much how it happened. It was around midnight in CA so it would've been 3AM in K-town.
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In was in Mrs. Harold's 9th grade Freshman English class when they came on the intercom, and told us about JFK. They had us all 800 of us come into the gym .

I was watching live on tv when Oswald got shot, and I said to my parents and brother..."wouldn't it be weird if somebody shot him while they were moving him?'' Somebody did about 2 minutes later. It was on Sunday, and the whole town went to the high school that day to take a TB immunization . It was a red or pink liquid that they squirted onto a sugar cube, and we dissolved it in our mouths.


My mother was in Memphis for a convention when MLK got shot. The strange things that stand out to me are that I had an eerie feeling that Oswald would get shot, and I couldn't get to sleep after RFK left the stage and I turned the tv back on.
 
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1972 Grad said:
In was in Mrs. Harold's 9th grade Freshman English class when they came on the intercom, and told us about JFK. They had us all 800 of us come into the gym .

I was watching live on tv when Oswald got shot, and I said to my parents and brother..."wouldn't it be weird if somebody shot him while they were moving him?'' Somebody did about 2 minutes later. It was on Sunday, and the whole town went to the high school that day to take a TB immunization . It was a red or pink liquid that they squirted onto a sugar cube, and we dissolved it in our mouths.


My mother was in Memphis for a convention when MLK got shot. The strange things that stand out to me are that I had an eerie feeling that Oswald would get shot, and I couldn't get to sleep after RFK left the stage and I turned the tv back on.
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Unbelievable recall! Thanks for sharing these events as you witnessed them. :good!:
 
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1972 Grad said:
It was on Sunday, and the whole town went to the high school that day to take a TB immunization . It was a red or pink liquid that they squirted onto a sugar cube, and we dissolved it in our mouths.
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Are you sure that wasn't polio vaccine with the sugar cubes and not TB?

Just wondering, because there's a very interesting story involving New Orleans, Oswald, polio vaccine and cancer.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Are you sure that wasn't polio vaccine with the sugar cubes and not TB?

Just wondering, because there's a very interesting story involving New Orleans, Oswald, polio vaccine and cancer.
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Maybe, but I was thinking that we got a shot for that in the 1950's. I could be wrong. They gave us several vaccinations back then.... smallpox, polio, tetanus, etc.
 
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1972 Grad said:
Maybe, but I was thinking that we got a shot for that in the 1950's. I could be wrong. They gave us several vaccinations back then.... smallpox, polio, tetanus, etc.
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I just googled it. The Sabin vaccine was administered via 3 drops onto a sugar cube, beginning in the early 60's The Salk vaccine was given by a shot beginning in the early 50's. They recommended the Sabin sugar cube even if you had previously had the Salk vaccine shot.

I assume that I got both because I seem to remember getting a polio shot, and I know I didn't wait until I was 14 for the vaccine. I was born in 1949. I had a good friend who got polio in the late 50's, and later died from complications several years later.
 
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1972 Grad said:
What is the story?
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Just the highlights, but a doctor named Mary Sherman worked at a lab in New Orleans in the early 1960s with David Ferrie. Sherman made a name for herself in the 1950's by recognizing that the original Salk vaccine for polio was a dangerous cocktail that lead her later to cancer research. David Ferrie along with the US govt and other characters in New Orleans were moving towards using the lab to weaponize cancer and hopefully come up with a way to kill Castro with a cancer injection. Lee Oswald (or his doppleganger) worked with these guys in the summer of 1963 before going to Dallas.

I'll stop right there and let you do your own research about Mary Sherman, her death, the death of Jack Ruby and David Ferrie.

Wild stuff...
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Just the highlights, but a doctor named Mary Sherman worked at a lab in New Orleans in the early 1960s with David Ferrie. Sherman made a name for herself in the 1950's by recognizing that the original Salk vaccine for polio was a dangerous cocktail that lead her later to cancer research. David Ferrie along with the US govt and other characters in New Orleans were moving towards using the lab to weaponize cancer and hopefully come up with a way to kill Castro with a cancer injection. Lee Oswald (or his doppleganger) worked with these guys in the summer of 1963 before going to Dallas.

I'll stop right there and let you do your own research about Mary Sherman, her death, the death of Jack Ruby and David Ferrie.

Wild stuff...
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I know about David Ferrie. He was a weird looking dude.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Just the highlights, but a doctor named Mary Sherman worked at a lab in New Orleans in the early 1960s with David Ferrie. Sherman made a name for herself in the 1950's by recognizing that the original Salk vaccine for polio was a dangerous cocktail that lead her later to cancer research. David Ferrie along with the US govt and other characters in New Orleans were moving towards using the lab to weaponize cancer and hopefully come up with a way to kill Castro with a cancer injection. Lee Oswald (or his doppleganger) worked with these guys in the summer of 1963 before going to Dallas.

I'll stop right there and let you do your own research about Mary Sherman, her death, the death of Jack Ruby and David Ferrie.

Wild stuff...
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Meh. It was 4 years after the assassination.
 
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Boca Vol said:
From cancer, correct? Lot's of cancer then as is it is now.
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Yeah, do your research on what I told 72 about. They were able to weaponize cancer in that New Orleans lab based on Dr. Sherman's findings after the Salk polio vaccine fiasco.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Yeah, do your research on what I told 72 about. They were able to weaponize cancer in that New Orleans lab based on Dr. Sherman's findings after the Salk polio vaccine fiasco.
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And Ruby was arrested 2 days after the assassination. This lady died way after the JFK assassination. Not seeing the connection.
 
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