Finebaum hit the nail on the head.....

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BowlBrother85 said:
BS. It was an SEC road win against a ranked opponent, and it was blowout. This proves my point .... the only games that ever "count" in threads like this are the ones that support the argument. There will always some bull crap qualifier for the ones that don't.
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Pot, meet kettle. Kettle...................pot.

You're not supporting your argument exactly the same way? Methinks you are.

Playing LSU at Noon is NOT the same as Tiger Stadium at night. That's not rocket science. Home field advantage is a real thing. Most teams don't travel all that well.
 
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I think there’s an issue of in game adjustments on the offense. Reporters say they heard a lot of “11 personnel is the plan” is they pretty much stayed in it the majority of the night despite it not working well. We’ve seen 12 personnel this season, think it could have worked really well with the way Arkansas was defending us.
 
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volbound1700 said:
LSU fumbled right away and Tennessee scored. Crowd was out of the game, noon game, lack of hostility, etc.

When faced with a truly hostile crowd, we tend to be folding on the road. It is a trend. Can we over come it? Sure. However, Finebaum is spot on.
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LOL. Right. The only games that "count" in threads such as this are the ones that support the negative argument being made. There will always be a reason to not "count" the wins. We did not fold at Oklahoma .... but that won't count either, presumably because of a lack of style points or some other aesthetic that was missing.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Another big item they are missing is the scale of the atmospheres. LSU's crowd was never really in that game. Missouri and UK in the same boat.

Arkansas this year, Florida last year, South Carolina 2 years ago had very raucous crowds that were very much into the game and loud. We struggle with crowd noise. A lot of teams do though... this isn't just a Tennessee/Heupel thing.
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True but what is the answer? As we continue our rise to the top teams are going to get up for us.I thought we had an elite defense that
would travel when the offence struggles but they moved the ball with a back up QB and won the game
 
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morristown vol said:
True but what is the answer? As we continue our rise to the top teams are going to get up for us.I thought we had an elite defense that
would travel when the offence struggles but they moved the ball with a back up QB and won the game
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We are getting better. Notice that we were IN THE GAME against Arkansas versus getting blown out like what happened in 2023 with Florida and Missouri or in 2022 with Georgia and South Carolina.

It hasn't 100% led to W/L (we did beat OU) but we are closing the gap. Frankly, we still don't have a fully complete team. It took Georgia 5-6 years to get to where they are at now.

The metrics are helping us. NIL, Transfer Portal, Saban retiring, expanding playoff, new SEC schedules that are more balanced, etc. Look at Georgia's schedule in 2024 versus 2022 and 2023. Georgia could literally key in on Tennessee. Now they can't having Alabama, Texas, and others on their schedule.
 
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ksgovols said:
Pot, meet kettle. Kettle...................pot.

You're not supporting your argument exactly the same way? Methinks you are.

Playing LSU at Noon is NOT the same as Tiger Stadium at night. That's not rocket science. Home field advantage is a real thing. Most teams don't travel all that well.
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Who says "methinks" ?

I'm not saying the losses "don't count," and they are frustrating. It's over-simplifying to just make it an issue of being on the road. Every team is different. Finebaum is very lazy with any type of analysis.
 
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volbound1700 said:
We are getting better. Notice that we were IN THE GAME against Arkansas versus getting blown out like what happened in 2023 with Florida and Missouri or in 2022 with Georgia and South Carolina.

It hasn't 100% led to W/L (we did beat OU) but we are closing the gap. Frankly, we still don't have a fully complete team. It took Georgia 5-6 years to get to where they are at now.

The metrics are helping us. NIL, Transfer Portal, Saban retiring, expanding playoff, new SEC schedules that are more balanced, etc. Look at Georgia's schedule in 2024 versus 2022 and 2023. Georgia could literally key in on Tennessee. Now they can't having Alabama, Texas, and others on their schedule.
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volbound1700 said:
We are getting better. Notice that we were IN THE GAME against Arkansas versus getting blown out like what happened in 2023 with Florida and Missouri or in 2022 with Georgia and South Carolina.

It hasn't 100% led to W/L (we did beat OU) but we are closing the gap. Frankly, we still don't have a fully complete team. It took Georgia 5-6 years to get to where they are at now.

The metrics are helping us. NIL, Transfer Portal, Saban retiring, expanding playoff, new SEC schedules that are more balanced, etc. Look at Georgia's schedule in 2024 versus 2022 and 2023. Georgia could literally key in on Tennessee. Now they can't having Alabama, Texas, and others on their schedule.
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Good answer!!! You know your stuff
 
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UTK said:
I think there’s an issue of in game adjustments on the offense. Reporters say they heard a lot of “11 personnel is the plan” is they pretty much stayed in it the majority of the night despite it not working well. We’ve seen 12 personnel this season, think it could have worked really well with the way Arkansas was defending us.
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The frustrating part to me was our offense not being able to adjust to Arky's defense for the entire 1st half and that is where we lost the game imo. If we would have had at least one FG during the first half, then the odds of winning that game probably change in our favor.
 
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You can find trends anywhere if you look hard enough. That being said, our offense IS hampered by loud road games. It 100x harder to crank up the tempo without having costly mistakes in that kind if enviroment.

The other big factor in this game was that we wasnt focused and ready to play with intensity. It was apparent to me that we were flat and lackadaisical watching the game. It happens...especially when everybody has been talking about how good you are for 2 weeks. Throw in a young qb, an opponent that feels disrespected that is playing the biggest game they have had at home, and you have the blueprint for a close upset.

All just my opinion of course, as a former athelete that has experienced both sides of that kind if game.
 
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volbound1700 said:
I agree but there has been a trend of dropping at least one major road game a year with Heupel were Tennessee looks like absolute garbage.

Granted, this is common for a lot of programs, not just Tennessee but you need to figure it out at some point. Kirby Smart had similar issues and figured it out (to be fair, he didn't reach that next level until 5-6 years in).
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Can you point to the numerous coaches with unblemished road records?

Thanks in advance
 
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Nobody "travels well", unless your coach is Nick Saban. The do call it "home field advantage" for a reason. Yes, Tennessee has had some bad history on the road over the last 15 years or so. But that is more a function bad recruiting and coaching. Since Heupel has been here, we have some good road wins. LSU in 2022 and Oklahoma this season in what was arguably one of the biggest games in the history of Oklahoma football. Even Butch Jones got Steve Spurrier to quit, when we came back on the Gamecocks in 2014 (IIRC). It's important to remember that though Heupel has improved Tennessee, he has been doing so with recruiting classes that are very good, but not elite. This is about to change.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Not many as I pointed out but Kirby Smart definitely figured it out the last 2-3 years. He hasn't even dropped a regular season game. Saban as well.
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What do you mean he hasn't even dropped a regular season game? Didn't Georgia just lose @ Alabama?
 
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Voltopia said:
Maybe. Maybe not. If Ole Miss handles its business, they might go in ahead of us. Same for Mizzouri. There are no guarantees. 10-2 gives no one any guarantees. Just puts their name in the hat.
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yeah, maybe true, but you give me 10-2 and I'll be pretty satisfied...extremely high percentage that any SEC school that goes 10-2 is in playoffs. BTW, I think there's only one, maybe 2 teams w/ record at or better than 10-2. You can slice/dice several teams and their path to 10-2, but this year's a gauntlet for all... I think we're lucky to finish 9-3 or 8-4, unless we fix our offense.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
What do you mean he hasn't lost a regular season game? Didn't Georgia just lose @ Alabama?
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First time in 3 years he lost a game and it was @ Alabama. Sorry, Arkansas, South Carolina, etc. are not Alabama. He also didn't get blown out.

Honestly, you are doing what you do on the political forum. Arguing to just argue. You have no real points and you don't look at any fact that doesn't support your argument. Before posting something, perhaps consider counter-arguments first.

I personally think Heupel is getting better and this is a common problem for new coaches/programs but you have to be blind to not call it out as an issue.
 
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volbound1700 said:
First time in 3 years he lost a game and it was @ Alabama. Sorry, Arkansas, South Carolina, etc. are not Alabama. He also didn't get blown out.

Honestly, you are doing what you do on the political forum. Arguing to just argue. You have no real points and you don't look at any fact that doesn't support your argument. Before posting something, perhaps consider counter-arguments first.

I personally think Heupel is getting better and this is a common problem for new coaches/programs but you have to be blind to not call it out as an issue.
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LOL. You said something that was wrong .... and I pointed it out. That's not arguing.
 
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We literally dominated Oklahoma a couple weeks ago and LSU a couple years back. Winning on the road is harder. Even good teams drop games on the road. This is not a problem unique to Tennessee.
 
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I've said it all along - for the MOST part, Josh Heupel teams are average in road games. He is 7-8 here so far.
They are very good in Neutral Site games with a record of 4-1, beating Clemson, Iowa, Virginia, NcSt and dropping an OT to Purdue when Brohm was coach.

First year was 2-2 (Lost FLA, Bama, Beat UK, Mizzou);
2nd year was 3-2 (Lost UGA, USCe, Beat LSU, Pitt, and Vandy);
3rd year was 1-3 (Lost to Fla, Bama, Mizzou, Beat KY);
4th year so for is 1-1 true road games.

What amplifies the road game woes issue is he beats the teams he's not supposed to beat (LSU, OU, UK was ranked ahead of us one year) and drops these head scratchers like Arky, Mizzou last year, and USCe from '22.
 
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morristown vol said:
"they don't travel well"South Carolina 2 years ago,Florida last year.Hard to argue.
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Can't argue that, but Mizzou and South Carolina were complete beatdowns. This was razor close and we all feel.....hell, KNOW...we should have won.

Harder to do that when getting shellacked 63-38 and 36-7, respectively.

One small caveat...we were "only" down 49-31 when Hooker got injured. Arguably had we scored a TD instead, and been within two scores MAYBE we win. But I doubt it!

Bottom line, even factoring in the Hooker injury, those other two games were thorough ass whippings. No one in their right mind would say we had the game in front of us and could have won it in the 4th. Both games were long over by then.

Not claiming any moral victory, but this game was a lot different.
 
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IndianaVol said:
I've said it all along - for the MOST part, Josh Heupel teams are average in road games. He is 7-8 here so far.
They are very good in Neutral Site games with a record of 4-1, beating Clemson, Iowa, Virginia, NcSt and dropping an OT to Purdue when Brohm was coach.
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Brohm was coach, and we got FU---D by the refs at the end. Of course, quoting a whiskey soaked buddy that called me after the game "WHO CARES ABOUT THE REFS! WE PLAYED SUCH S-- DEFENSE WE DESERVED TO LOSE" (except a lot more slurred).

I agree we deserved to lose, but was not happy we did, is the difference between me and my inebriated friend.

Regardless...there was a horrible call at the end of that game.
 
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