First Battle won, larger war ahead. Will we finally see justice for treason?

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UT_Dutchman said:
Not sure exactly yet, I would like electricity. Also skimmed the Crazy Men article, I will be out there soon to look around. Also I will be reading the article on Hugh Glass.
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Yes, the article on Hugh Glass turned out to be a bicentennial tribute to his harrowing ordeal. Interestingly, Jedediah Smith was also badly mauled by a grizzly in Wyoming within about six weeks of Glass's near fatal encounter. For anyone else who may be interested in that piece, the link is The Odyssey of Hugh Glass: A Bicentennial Tribute.

Given its focus, this particular article may or may not be of interest or relevance to you, but here is the link to an article on sites that indigenous peoples regard as sacred in Big Sky Country: Grandeur of this Land - Big Sky Journal.

I will have an article published in the Winter 2024-2025 issue of Distinctly Montana entitled "Extreme Weather Events that contribute to Montana’s Reputation for Legendary Winter Weather.”
 
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volbound1700 said:
I think you guys missed the entire first part of the video where it was called out that a NC Senator used his powers to get laws passed that favored Smithfield. A company getting advantages from the government is socialism and create an unfair market situation.
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the proposed solution wasn't to just remove those benefits. the proposed solution was the federal government stepping into create even more socialism to stop the socialism that you don't like.
 
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Let China spend their money and buy the land. Then the government can declare eminent domain and take it back for pennies on the dollar. 'Murica!!!
 
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LouderVol said:
the proposed solution wasn't to just remove those benefits. the proposed solution was the federal government stepping into create even more socialism to stop the socialism that you don't like.
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It is a political video (which means it doesn't give 100% answers). Moving towards home settler would actually be supported by our Founders and you know it. Had the British came in and bought up farms throughout the original 13 states in the 1790s, there would have been a major backlash and laws passed against it. Heck, RFK Jr specifically quotes a relevant Thomas Jefferson quote to support his argument.
 
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McDad said:
Excellent point. They purchase land and do something nefarious and experience the consequences.

Would it be better if they didn't do illegal things? Absolutely. Is it worth another restriction to freedom to insure that? Not to me.
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I think the issue I have is with the specifics of China's state run businesses. you aren't dealing with a true separate entity of the free market. you are working with an agent of a known market manipulator. it was a question I asked in another thread a while ago and never got a real answer: is it anti-laisse faire to shut down forces/entities/businesses that are anti-laisse faire? is it anti free market to regulate the market to be more free than it otherwise would be?

obviously our government goes way beyond that, but in this specific case I think its a question worth considering as a specific instance.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
I think we need a „Truth and Reconciliation Commission“. Call people before Congress to testify as to what the did wrong. Grant immunity to anyone willing to testify truthfully.
Full retaliation isn’t healthy but it is vital to get the truth out.
I would recommend two exceptions however. Prosecution of Garland for perjury as he was the one person who has to be held to a higher standard for truthfulness than anyone else in government. And a recall to active duty followed by Court Martial fror General Milley. The offer to share defense plans and intentions with a strategic adversary without the approval of the Civilian National Command Authority is maybe the single most shocking thing I have ever seen In my entire life and cannot be allowed to stand without some level of accountability.
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Big Brother Approved. don't forget that as soon as you accept the big government, they make you disappear.
 
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LouderVol said:
I think the issue I have is with the specifics of China's state run businesses. you aren't dealing with a true separate entity of the free market. you are working with an agent of a known market manipulator. it was a question I asked in another thread a while ago and never got a real answer: is it anti-laisse faire to shut down forces/entities/businesses that are anti-laisse faire? is it anti free market to regulate the market to be more free than it otherwise would be?

obviously our government goes way beyond that, but in this specific case I think its a question worth considering as a specific instance.
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so the (or a) concern is China state run business disrupting an American industry or commodity?
 
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volbound1700 said:
It is a political video (which means it doesn't give 100% answers). Moving towards home settler would actually be supported by our Founders and you know it. Had the British came in and bought up farms throughout the original 13 states in the 1790s, there would have been a major backlash and laws passed against it. Heck, RFK Jr specifically quotes a relevant Thomas Jefferson quote to support his argument.
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I am not sure if they got involved in the direct ownership of farms, but they still did operate out of American markets and ports. still controlling a lot of the trade in and out of the country. we even ratified some of that with the John Jay's treaty, which were largely unfriendly to US commercial interests.
 
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LouderVol said:
I am not sure if they got involved in the direct ownership of farms, but they still did operate out of American markets and ports. still controlling a lot of the trade in and out of the country. we even ratified some of that with the John Jay's treaty, which were largely unfriendly to US commercial interests.
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Actually, I have an example if you bare with me. The British were illegal seizing lands in the Northwest Territory (claiming it was part of Canada) and/or arming Native Americans to say they could have these lands. This was a major factor leading to the War of 1812.

The USA also passed the Homestead Act in the 1800s which is what I think RFK Jr is alluding to in challenging the corporate farming.
 
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McDad said:
so the (or a) concern is China state run business disrupting an American industry or commodity?
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disrupting thru non-fair market practices.

it would be one thing if they were just creating something new/better/cheaper and disrupted the existing American market. but they aren't, at least not within typical market practices. their government dictates what the sell, to whom, and for a how much. and they do so in a manner that creates disruptions, weak markets, their government can then manipulate, via dirty loan practices, to control the market or even a whole country. obviously it would take a while to influence a country the size of the US, but you eat an elephant one bite at a time.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Actually, I have an example if you bare with me. The British were illegal seizing lands in the Northwest Territory (claiming it was part of Canada) and/or arming Native Americans to say they could have these lands. This was a major factor leading to the War of 1812.

The USA also passed the Homestead Act in the 1800s which is what I think RFK Jr is alluding to in challenging the corporate farming.
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in 1862, long after we were done fighting the Brits. but I guess the comparison is that you/RFK want to kick the natives/Chinese off the land and give it to citizens to actually use? My understanding is that Chinese didn't buy fallow land, and aren't just sitting on it. they are actively using it. its not apples to apples.

and giving land away sounds pretty socialist to me. its a nice redistribution of wealth. why does the government even have the land? as I said, they aren't really anti-socialist, they just want socialism they agree with.
 
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LouderVol said:
in 1862, long after we were done fighting the Brits. but I guess the comparison is that you/RFK want to kick the natives/Chinese off the land and give it to citizens to actually use? My understanding is that Chinese didn't buy fallow land, and aren't just sitting on it. they are actively using it. its not apples to apples.

and giving land away sounds pretty socialist to me. its a nice redistribution of wealth. why does the government even have the land? as I said, they aren't really anti-socialist, they just want socialism they agree with.
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I am more against the means that Smithfield utilized to acquire that land. Heck the Chinese companies that they are alluding to are probably just broker firms looking to gain cash off of it. The farmers might be better off ran by the Chinese than Smithfield's local management.

The use of government to create the issue in the first place by giving Smithfield favoritism that ran the local farmers out of business was a major issue. You are rectifying a past wrong caused by the government.
 
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volbound1700 said:
I am more against the means that Smithfield utilized to acquire that land. Heck the Chinese companies that they are alluding to are probably just broker firms looking to gain cash off of it. The farmers might be better off ran by the Chinese than Smithfield's local management.

The use of government to create the issue in the first place by giving Smithfield favoritism that ran the local farmers out of business was a major issue. You are rectifying a past wrong caused by the government.
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Smithfield is owned by the Chinese...

and if my timelines are correct they were owned by the Chinese before the particulars of what RFK is talking about.

at least as of 2023, China was the 18th largest foreign land owner in the US.
 
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LouderVol said:
Smithfield is owned by the Chinese...

and if my timelines are correct they were owned by the Chinese before the particulars of what RFK is talking about.

at least as of 2023, China was the 18th largest foreign land owner in the US.
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Smithfield start all of this stuff was in the 1980s or so. It wasn't something that happened recently.
 
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