'19 FL DE Khris Bogle (UF signee)

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VolGee4 said:
I didn't compare them. Wasn't the point. I get it was at MSU, but you just can't look at his record. I said this even when we were considering him as coach. His record is bolstered big time.
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So what his ooc is not great? The west is what it is and MSU wasn't winning games at the clip he was prior to Mullen, in a down west, with the same weak ooc schedule.

I'm not saying he's great.

But it's not hard to see how/why he was considered for our job, and got the one he did.

Hell, I hope he sucks out loud. Don't think he will. But I also don't think he's the 2nd coming of urban Meyer either.
 
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If Scotty Frost was at Florida right now I'd be a heck of a lot more nervous. I think Mullen is a really good coach, but I think Scotty is going to be dynamite.
 
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Chief Vol 13 said:
You have to be kidding. First things first, Butch Jones was and is a below average football coach at this level, that's a fact. As far as Mullen is concerned, let's get it through our brains that he was at Mississippi State, where your facilities suck donkey dong, you can't recruit well, and you have zero football tradition. They're the Vanderbilt/Kentucky of the west. Guy won 8 or more games 5 times. Before Mullen got there, that had been done 11 times over 114 seasons. Took them to their first ever #1 ranking and went to a bowl game in 8 of his 9 years. Not any old slappy goes into Starkville, Mississippi and gets that done. In fact, no one ever had until Mullen.
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This...I’ll admit I was not excited when it was reported he was being considered for the TN job. Simply because it was not a flashy name & his SEC record was below .500 but it was MSU. However, as you pointed out, he put up some impressive stats during his time at MSU. I think he is a solid coach. Only time will tell if he can turn FL into a national contender. In hindsight, I am very pleased with Pruitt & think he has the higher ceiling. While he’s never been a FBS head coach he has won wherever he’s been & seems to be a very good recruiter. To turn TN into a national contender he’ll need to be an elite recruiter which I think he will be...very impressed with where we currently sit in recruiting given the circumstances. I love how he makes NO excuses. Like he said recently... “I didn’t come here to win 6 games!”

We are in the top group of 2-3 teams for Khris Bogle, wow 😁

GO VOLS!!!
 
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jakez4ut said:
So what his ooc is not great? The west is what it is and MSU wasn't winning games at the clip he was prior to Mullen, in a down west, with the same weak ooc schedule.

I'm not saying he's great.

But it's not hard to see how/why he was considered for our job, and got the one he did.

Hell, I hope he sucks out loud. Don't think he will. But I also don't think he's the 2nd coming of urban Meyer either.
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Well, Sylvester Croom coached 5 seasons. In the first 2, there were only 11 games in the season. In the final 3, they played a home and home against a top 10 WV program and at Georgia Tech.

Their permanant crossover in the East is Kentucky. Ours is Bama. If you want to compare, that softens the blow of "playing in the west." Plus, we have played a tough P5 OOC game for years.

Mullen was at MSU when Arkansas, Auburn, and Ole Miss all had some of the worst seasons in their program's history. I guess Houston Nutt can take credit for 2 of those.

I am not saying he's a bad coach, but people just look at his record. Again, I get it's at MSU, but when you look behind it, it's not as impressive as one might think.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Well, Sylvester Croom coached 5 seasons. In the first 2, there were only 11 games in the season. In the final 3, they played a home and home against a top 10 WV program and at Georgia Tech.

Their permanant crossover in the East is Kentucky. Ours is Bama. If you want to compare, that softens the blow of "playing in the west." Plus, we have played a tough P5 OOC game for years.

Mullen was at MSU when Arkansas, Auburn, and Ole Miss all had some of the worst seasons in their program's history. I guess Houston Nutt can take credit for 2 of those.

I am not saying he's a bad coach, but people just look at his record. Again, I get it's at MSU, but when you look behind it, it's not as impressive as one might think.
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I'd wager all those teams you mentioned put a W next MSU on their schedules.

They didn't always get it. That's how an MSU makes its hey. The middle and bottom of the schedule.

He did that better than anyone before him, and picked up a few against LSU, auburn, ATM and some bowl wins.

Let's not make it worse, or better, than it is.
 
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checkerboards09 said:
But those were Richt’s guys. Do you honestly believe Georgia will have another duo like they had in Chubb/Michel?
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They may have a comparable duo already on the roster.

And what really set Kirby up was the defense he was left to work with. Fortunate to say the least.
 
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checkerboards09 said:
But those were Richt’s guys. Do you honestly believe Georgia will have another duo like they had in Chubb/Michel?
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Have you noticed how Georgia has been recruiting since Kirby took over? They recruited on a high level with Richt but they're on an even higher level under Smart.
 
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checkerboards09 said:
But those were Richt’s guys. Do you honestly believe Georgia will have another duo like they had in Chubb/Michel?
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Holyfield, Swift, Cook, and White might honestly be the best stable of RBs in the entire NCAA. Wouldn’t be surprised if one of those four turns out better than Michel or Chubb
 
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checkerboards09 said:
Yes, but replacing an ALL TIME duo in team history isn’t something that happens every year.
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So? If you saw the post above you'd see they have a pretty impressive stable of tail backs there right now. They've been recruiting on Alabama's level for a solid two years now.
 
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Chief Vol 13 said:
So? If you saw the post above you'd see they have a pretty impressive stable of tail backs there right now. They've been recruiting on Alabama's level for a solid two years now.
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And? How does that roll over to two more backs breaking records? What are the chances is what I’m getting at. Not very good.
 
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Chief Vol 13 said:
Yeah he's been a good coach in this league for going on 14 years if you include his time at Florida. He had some dynamic offenses there. I guess it's hard for some people to get it wrapped around their brain that he was at Mississippi freaking State lol. What were they 100 years prior to his tenure? It's not that hard.
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Or maybe it's hard for you to wrap it around your brain that "Mississippi freaking State" doesn't have a history of employing above average coaches. You're acting like Dan Mullen did things at MSU that only a GREAT coach can accomplish, but Jackie Sherrill remains the only coach to have won a division championship.

Mullen is a great developer of quarterbacks, but he's also responsible for fielding the worst SEC offensive line I've ever seen and despite his "success", he never developed a likeable reputation on the recruiting trail.
 
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volfan_28 said:
Or maybe it's hard for you to wrap it around your brain that "Mississippi freaking State" doesn't have a history of employing above average coaches. You're acting like Dan Mullen did things at MSU that only a GREAT coach can accomplish, but Jackie Sherrill remains the only coach to have won a division championship.

Mullen is a great developer of quarterbacks, but he's also responsible for fielding the worst SEC offensive line I've ever seen and despite his "success", he never developed a likeable reputation on the recruiting trail.
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Mississippi State doesn't have a history of hiring above average coaches because they're Mississippi State. They fell into Dan Mullen. He did things there that only a very good football coach is going to do. Sherrill won the west in 98 when that division was horse crap.
 
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Chief Vol 13 said:
Nope. Mullen did about as well at Mississippi State as you can do. They'll be lucky if they're ever on that level again.
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They'll win 9 games this year. There is only 1 game on their schedule that is a for sure loss and that is at Bama. They get UF, TAMU, and Auburn at home. They got a tricky one at Kansas State in September. LSU isn't gonna be much this year. Very favorable schedule.
 
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SouthKnoxVOL said:
They'll win 9 games this year. There is only 1 game on their schedule that is a for sure loss and that is at Bama. They get UF, TAMU, and Auburn at home. They got a tricky one at Kansas State in September. LSU isn't gonna be much this year. Very favorable schedule.
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I wouldn't be surprised. But can Moorehead sustain the level of success that Mullen had over the long haul? I don't think it's likely, given the school's history.
 
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I have no doubt Mullen will raise the standard of play for UF but I don't really think he'll be any kind of smashing success at UF either. I think they're going to be an 8-10 win team a year.

Pruitt was a much better hire for us.
 
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Hyperion said:
I have no doubt Mullen will raise the standard of play for UF but I don't really think he'll be any kind of smashing success at UF either. I think they're going to be an 8-10 win team a year.

Pruitt was a much better hire for us.
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I think Mullen will have a floor of 8 wins once he gets established. I don't think he'll be close to a Meyer or Spurrier, but he'll be solid. Glad they didn't hire Frost.
 
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