'19 FL DE Khris Bogle (UF signee)

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BigOrangeTrain said:
Since from 2009-2018, Sabans recruiting classes

09- 27 commits- 8 3*s
10- 25- 9 3*s
11- 25- 6 3*s
12- 26- 8 3*s
13- 26- 8 3*s
14- 26- 4 3*s
15- 24- 4 3*s
16- 25- 8 3*s
17- 29- 4 3*s
18- 22- 7 3*s

So in 10 recruiting classes Saban has recruited 255 players. 66 of those have been 3* players. Thats 26% of his rosters being 3* players. So lets not sit back and pretend like Saban is turning a bunch of low level recruits with bad offer lists into blue chip studs. He is recruiting the blue chip studs and improving on their already high level skill sets.
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Haha.
I'm not sure what I said could be misinterpreted any worse than what you have done here 😂

Edit: Never said they only notice Saban and wait till after the kids sign and automatically raise all his signees to the highest level.(Yeah, none of that would be suspicious lol).

Think of it more like you reading reviews as a place to start, before you narrow down a list of which brands to look into yourself.

If you guys truly believe that sports bloggers sit and watch film on every player in the county, instead of getting direction from best professional coaches to guide them, I can't help.

I mean, the RF got a Twitter guy a legitimate job because he was "reporting" inside info from here, as his sources. But these internet based experts are where you guys believe the real deal is.
Geezus H Chrisco. 😌
 
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85SugarVol said:
I think it’s more accurate to say that you can pull “great” players from all Star levels, but statistically you are more likely to find success fishing for 4&5’s.

For every JJ Watt, there are 7,000 more 2Stars that never did anything remarkable.
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Try to clarify so that even BOT type posters can't twist.
1.Both coaches and ranking services build relationships with hs coaches. Among other benefits, getting the scoop on kids to keep an eye on is a major reason.

2. Coaches start those relationships earlier and earlier now.

3. Like the Young example, sites don't pay much attention until a respected coach does. They DO NOT watch hours of film on every kid.

4. Doesn't mean the sites don't evaluate after their attention is drawn. And definitely don't only follow Saban and always agree with 1 coach. Like how train tried to twist my post.

5. These aren't my random opinions and it's not rare. Watch the interviews, watch when recruits start receiving close observation. Read hs coaching interviews about players that later get attention.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Since from 2009-2018, Sabans recruiting classes

09- 27 commits- 8 3*s
10- 25- 9 3*s
11- 25- 6 3*s
12- 26- 8 3*s
13- 26- 8 3*s
14- 26- 4 3*s
15- 24- 4 3*s
16- 25- 8 3*s
17- 29- 4 3*s
18- 22- 7 3*s

So in 10 recruiting classes Saban has recruited 255 players. 66 of those have been 3* players. Thats 26% of his rosters being 3* players. So lets not sit back and pretend like Saban is turning a bunch of low level recruits with bad offer lists into blue chip studs. He is recruiting the blue chip studs and improving on their already high level skill sets.
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How many of their 4 and 5 star recruits were 3 stars before saban offered them though. We all know the bama bump is real. It happens pretty much any time bama offers. The sites start looking a little closer and looking for reasons to bump because they know saban wouldn't offer unless he had confidence the recruit could be good. So they find a reason to bump their confidence. Whereas when Dooley or butch offered the sites had know reason to look for reasons to bump their confidence because Dooley and butch hadn't given any evidence that they were good evaluators.
 
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Sleegro said:
How many of their 4 and 5 star recruits were 3 stars before saban offered them though. We all know the bama bump is real. It happens pretty much any time bama offers. The sites start looking a little closer and looking for reasons to bump because they know saban wouldn't offer unless he had confidence the recruit could be good. So they find a reason to bump their confidence. Whereas when Dooley or butch offered the sites had know reason to look for reasons to bump their confidence because Dooley and butch hadn't given any evidence that they were good evaluators.
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How many of those 3* were found by members of our coaching staff?
 
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Catbone said:
Statistically, stars matter. They just do.
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I agree with the notion that the recruiting services are overrated and corrupt. I mean if there was any independence, integrity, or an ounce of accuracy in what they were doing you would think that would be reflected in the won-loss records of teams like Alabama who get the benefits of a “fixed” recruiting ranking system. Seriously, when was the last time Alabama won a championship in football at any level? The whole idea of them having the number one recruiting class year in and year out is preposterous considering their on-field performance. Jmo.
 
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ChattaTNVol said:
I agree with the notion that the recruiting services are overrated and corrupt. I mean if there was any independence, integrity, or an ounce of accuracy in what they were doing you would think that would be reflected in the won-loss records of teams like Alabama who get the benefits of a “fixed” recruiting ranking system. Seriously, when was the last time Alabama won a championship in football at any level? The whole idea of them having the number one recruiting class year in and year out is preposterous considering their on-field performance. Jmo.
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Love the sarcasm. But nobody is really saying they're corrupt or fixed (although I do think rivals policy of you have to pay to go to their camps to get a high ranking is mostly a money grab). It's the smart way for them to do business to look closer at players that respected coaches are looking at. I certainly have more confidence in a recruit if they are also being recruited by certain coaches. And I'm pretty sure most in here are the same way since offer lists are brought up all the time. Also, everyone always uses Alabama as the example of why we shouldn't recruit 3 stars. That is an extreme example that in a lot of statistical analysis would be eliminated from the sample as an outlier. What Saban has done in a decade at bama is something no other coach in the history of football has done. Comparing what we are doing after our worst decade to the best decade in the history of football will set you up for disappointment. I'd be interested of breakdowns of the recruiting classes of the next 5 most successful programs over the past decade. Of course we are and should go after more highly rated guys than take chances on the 3 stars. That is not the point anyone seems to be making. Just pointing out that there are flaws and biases inherent in the recruiting sites ranking systems. And we are obviously using a very highly rated player's thread to stage the argument. haha
 
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Catbone said:
Statistically, stars matter. They just do.
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No they dlnt because stuff happens and ..... Khalil McKenzie, drew Richmond. Trey Smith, Marquez Ivey. Jaylen Phillips. Sure there are more examples. Then you have the opposite, low stars yet super productive. Derrick Barnett, Jack Conklin, Baker Mayfield. To me it's about how much want and drive coupled with the upside that can be developed is the most important attributes to look at.

Edit. Late to the party, sorry
 
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recruiting classes 2010-2019 (as of now) total 4 &5 star recruits AL-192, GA-162, FL-148, AU-143, LSU-145 & UT-108

2016-2019( as of now) AL-84, GA-76, FL-65, AU-59, LSU-62 & UT-41

*All based on ESPN( I know not the most reliable) Just putting some things into perspective, Stars matter.
 
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