Flag burners in Berkeley, California

#76
#76
MontereyVol said:
Or being an incredible hypocrite? You do know what the Muslim Brotherhood stands for don't you?

You don't seem to know much.
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Actually, I was responding to MG1968's comment about code pink, not weighing in substantively on the offshoot discussion of the Msulim Brotherhood.
 
#78
#78
You really struggle with logical deductions, don't you?

Supporting their right to protest =/= supporting their message or agreeing with it.

Cindy Sheehan, as a citizen and resident of this fine country has her right to free speech so long as it does not step outside the bounds of constitutionally protected communication. That fact stands regardless of whether I agree with her message or not.
 
#79
#79
Instead of coming back with a well thought out rebuttal you lean back towards insults and spew nonsensical garbage that only seeks to belittle someone instead of proving any valid point.

I love debating people in the hopes I can learn something or possibly share with others, but you are one of those people who bring nothing to the table. Thanks anyway.
 
#82
#82
I was just laughing at the fact that you were calling my reference to well-established con law principles a bunch of nonesensical garbage.
 
#83
#83
And I was referencing the first part of your post. Where you seek to belittle someone first with a idiotic statement. And then try and show everyone how smart you are by spouting off a law no one on this thread has disputed.
 
#84
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MontereyVol said:
And I was referencing the first part of your post. Where you seek to belittle someone first with a idiotic statement. And then try and show everyone how smart you are by spouting off a law no one on this thread has disputed.
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classic.

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#85
#85
The first part of my post, eh? You mean the part where I clarified that supporting one's message doesn't logically flow from supporting their right to protest? Yeah, that was nonsensical too.
 
#86
#86
Once again you show your level of incompetence. You are making fun of me for a typo on a message board and just at the top of the page you write

ksushalovesthevols said:
Actually, I was responding to MG1968's comment about code pink, not weighing in substantively on the offshoot discussion of the Msulim Brotherhood.
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Hypocritical to point out mistakes that you make yourself.
 
#87
#87
ksushalovesthevols said:
The first part of my post, eh? You mean the part where I clarified that supporting one's message doesn't logically flow from supporting their right to protest? Yeah, that was nonsensical too.
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ksushalovesthevols said:
You really struggle with logical deductions, don't you?
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No I mean this one where you call into question my logic when in fact I used a perfectly logical "flow". Far better than the logical deductions you are making and the asinine assumptions you make regarding my character and intelligence.
 
#88
#88
ksushalovesthevols said:
The attitute that anyone who disagrees with the status quo in this country "hates it and should get out" is incredibly ignorant. This country was built on the right to dissent. And we do an incredible disservice to the rights we are given if we do not excercise them. Part of loving this country is having a hand in trying to shape its future by participating in the political process and free speech.
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when you call the US Marines "death pimps" and "mercenaries" I have the right to call you (not you specifically ksusha) an unpatriotic moron who doesn't deserve the liberties the Marines fight and die to protect.

Code Pink was given special treatment by the Berkeley City Council to the detriment not only of that Marine recruiting office, but the other businesses nearby. Their right to dissent should end when it infringes upon other people's right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
 
#89
#89
MG1968 said:
when you call the US Marines "death pimps" and "mercenaries" I have the right to call you (not you specifically ksusha) an unpatriotic moron who doesn't deserve the liberties the Marines fight and die to protect.

Code Pink was given special treatment by the Berkeley City Council to the detriment not only of that Marine recruiting office, but the other businesses nearby. Their right to dissent should end when it infringes upon other people's right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
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Might be post of the month, my friend.
 
#90
#90
MG1968 said:
when you call the US Marines "death pimps" and "mercenaries" I have the right to call you (not you specifically ksusha) an unpatriotic moron who doesn't deserve the liberties the Marines fight and die to protect.

Code Pink was given special treatment by the Berkeley City Council to the detriment not only of that Marine recruiting office, but the other businesses nearby. Their right to dissent should end when it infringes upon other people's right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
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I agree with everything but the last sentence, and only because free speech isn't reviewed under such a standard and even if it were, I don't think the conduct in question would violate it.
 
#91
#91
MontereyVol said:
Once again you show your level of incompetence. You are making fun of me for a typo on a message board and just at the top of the page you write



Hypocritical to point out mistakes that you make yourself.
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Your logical flow somehow brought you to the assumption that I was either supporting Ms. Sheehan's message or that of the Muslim Brotherhood or both. Nothing in my posts gave any such innuendo. Your logic lead you to an erroneous assumption and I was pointing out the error. Simple as that.

I was not arguing in support of code pink, the MB, Ms. Sheehan or any one individual or entity. All I was stating, that however reprehensible we might find the conduct of the protesters, their conduct seems to fall within the bounds of constitutionally protected speech. As such, I am not inclined to insist that they stop it, regardless of how I may feel about the content of their message.
 
#92
#92
but didn't you just say, however wrong the statement is, that this country was "built upon" right to dissent. while I think that's absolute bunk, surely you beleive in everyone else's right to belittle and / or shout down the dissenters in true hippie style?
 
#95
#95
ksushalovesthevols said:
I agree with everything but the last sentence, and only because free speech isn't reviewed under such a standard and even if it were, I don't think the conduct in question would violate it.
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the Code Pinkos chained themselves to the door, they harassed potential recruits, and defaced the storefront. Free speech is one thing, but when it interferes with someone else's rights and/or damages their property, I believe that a line needs to be drawn.

Code Pink was also given special privileges by the city council, which could, and should be considered discrimination. I love how the left speaks about "tolerance" yet episodes like this prove that "tolerance" is just a buzzword to them.
 
#96
#96
ksushalovesthevols said:
I was not arguing in support of code pink, the MB, Ms. Sheehan or any one individual or entity. All I was stating, that however reprehensible we might find the conduct of the protesters, their conduct seems to fall within the bounds of constitutionally protected speech. As such, I am not inclined to insist that they stop it, regardless of how I may feel about the content of their message.
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I beg to differ after reading your posts

ksushalovesthevols said:
The attitute that anyone who disagrees with the status quo in this country "hates it and should get out" is incredibly ignorant. This country was built on the right to dissent. And we do an incredible disservice to the rights we are given if we do not excercise them. Part of loving this country is having a hand in trying to shape its future by participating in the political process and free speech.
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ksushalovesthevols said:
Actually, I was responding to MG1968's comment about code pink, not weighing in substantively on the offshoot discussion of the Msulim Brotherhood.
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ksushalovesthevols said:
Cindy Sheehan, as a citizen and resident of this fine country has her right to free speech so long as it does not step outside the bounds of constitutionally protected communication. That fact stands regardless of whether I agree with her message or not.
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#97
#97
Okay, again, supporting their right to protest and voice their opinions is NOT the same as supporting their message. How is that not clear to you?
 
#98
#98
While I respect the rights of those who wish to espouse the anti social concepts they are interested in (usually just to hear themselves talk) I also believe in the rights of those wishing to disagree with them. Sometimes it seems as though the dissenters should have more rights than the upholders of our hard won freedom in this country to which I must say bullcrap. That's what I believe and why you don't see me in the politics forum very much. Each person has his own view and that isn't likely to change in an arena such as this.
 
#99
#99
ksushalovesthevols said:
Okay, again, supporting their right to protest and voice their opinions is NOT the same as supporting their message. How is that not clear to you?
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I dont see how you fail to see the duality of your statements even when they are presented to you.

Ohhhhhh..... your a lawyer! Now it all makes sense.
 
#100
#100
Humor me. What is the duality in saying I believe they (Sheehan, the Berkeley protesters, the Muslim Brotherhood and, for that matter anyone else whose speech is constitutionally protected) have the right to speak, whether or not I agree with their message?
 
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