Florida granting teaching licenses to military + spouses.

[K-town Vol Fan]

Florida to let veterans, spouses teach without bachelor's degree

What a slap in the face to real teachers. Real teachers that have to go to college, take out student loans, earn a degree, and actually be qualified, now earn the same pay as someone whose only qualification is they married a guy that was in the military 20 years ago.

Lets call it what it is, public school teachers are now glorified baby sitters. They are stretched way too thin, are given basically 0 resources, and are paid barely more than a full time McDonald's employee. And we wonder why we have school shooting problem...

 

[allvol123]

Screw off with your indignation.

I’ve seen plenty of teachers that sucked and they are protected even by the good teachers.

Plenty of intelligent people without a degree. Hopefully this improves the public schools.

That is the goal, right? Or the goal is to protect the feelings of adults?

 

[utvolpj]

My wife and her friends were evidently going on about this last night. Haven't had a chance to review it completely but if it is how it reads then it's idiotic. They aren't qualified to work at my kid's former daycare much less be teachers

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Florida to let veterans, spouses teach without bachelor's degree

What a slap in the face to real teachers. Real teachers that have to go to college, take out student loans, earn a degree, and actually be qualified, now earn the same pay as someone whose only qualification is they married a guy that was in the military 20 years ago.

Lets call it what it is, public school teachers are now glorified baby sitters. They are stretched way too thin, are given basically 0 resources, and are paid barely more than a full time McDonald's employee. And we wonder why we have school shooting problem...

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So let's review. Public schools are producing people that can't make change without the register telling them exactly how much to count out.

Yeah. This will be way worse.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

My wife and her friends were evidently going on about this last night. Haven't had a chance to review it completely but if it is how it reads then it's idiotic. They aren't qualified to work at my kid's former daycare much less be teachers

What does it mean to be 'qualified'? Serious question.

 

[utvolpj]

What does it mean to be 'qualified'? Serious question.

interesting question from someone who constantly derides another bartender as unqualified

Displaying proficiency in the subject being taught should be a minimum. These won't be hired at my kid's school. I also noted they wouldn't be qualified to work at their previous preschool. But hey, I'm sure their calculus knowledge is strong

 

[alexbond45]

Pedagogy is the most important skill for fledgling teachers. Content knowledge is useful, but not entirely necessary to a successful classroom. I’ve known a lot of teachers who are great in the subject but can’t teach for ****.

In my mind, a teacher who consistently displays poor pedagogy and classroom management are unqualified as teachers.

 

[VOLS INC.]

Cool

Now do the same thing regarding the recent push to replace cops with social workers.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Florida to let veterans, spouses teach without bachelor's degree

What a slap in the face to real teachers. Real teachers that have to go to college, take out student loans, earn a degree, and actually be qualified, now earn the same pay as someone whose only qualification is they married a guy that was in the military 20 years ago.

Lets call it what it is, public school teachers are now glorified baby sitters. They are stretched way too thin, are given basically 0 resources, and are paid barely more than a full time McDonald's employee. And we wonder why we have school shooting problem...

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You are wrong on pay and resources teachers get

 

[davethevol]

It’s probably to get decent human beings and role models back in the classroom so kids don’t have to be subjected to drag shows.
https://www.miamiherald.com/entertainment/music-news-reviews/article263872577.html

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

So let's review. Public schools are producing people that can't make change without the register telling them exactly how much to count out.

Yeah. This will be way worse.

Thats part of the problem. The "count up" method is the easiest way of counting change. It requires no math skills. I wasn't taught this method in school, I was taught it by Pal's.

They also don't teach anything financial like budgeting, taxes, stocks, 401k, loans, mortgages. No, the important stuff you just have to figure out on your own if you're lucky.

Point is, we need better teachers and teaching environments, not worse ones.

 

[Jxn Vol]

The current product being produced is garbage. I’m not saying that this will fix anything but something needs to be done.

The education system did this to themselves with help from the government.

Get good or get gone. That is how it is in the real world.

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

You are wrong on pay and resources teachers get

I know multiple teachers. They all make less than 40k and have to pay out of pocket for classroom supplies.

 

[Go aeiou]

You are wrong on pay and resources teachers get

I don't know how correct this is, but in some areas the starting pay is very low.
Entry Level Teacher Salary in Tennessee | Salary.com

 

[utvolpj]

It’s probably to get decent human beings and role models back in the classroom so kids don’t have to be subjected to drag shows.
https://www.miamiherald.com/entertainment/music-news-reviews/article263872577.html

How does simply being the wife of a former military member make one a decent human being and role model?

 

[Jxn Vol]

If I choose to work 9 months out of the year I will most likely make less money.

 

[utvolpj]

Pedagogy is the most important skill for fledgling teachers. Content knowledge is useful, but not entirely necessary to a successful classroom. I’ve known a lot of teachers who are great in the subject but can’t teach for ****.

In my mind, a teacher who consistently displays poor pedagogy and classroom management are unqualified as teachers.

And you believe that's an innate trait or must be taught?

 

[Majors]

Florida to let veterans, spouses teach without bachelor's degree

What a slap in the face to real teachers. Real teachers that have to go to college, take out student loans, earn a degree, and actually be qualified, now earn the same pay as someone whose only qualification is they married a guy that was in the military 20 years ago.

Lets call it what it is, public school teachers are now glorified baby sitters. They are stretched way too thin, are given basically 0 resources, and are paid barely more than a full time McDonald's employee. And we wonder why we have school shooting problem...

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Nice way to tie school shootings into this. For the record, shootings were happening when teaching was respected too.

 

[allvol123]

My wife and her friends were evidently going on about this last night. Haven't had a chance to review it completely but if it is how it reads then it's idiotic. They aren't qualified to work at my kid's former daycare much less be teachers

There is a rule in this that forces someone to be hired?

 

[Majors]

If I choose to work 9 months out of the year I will most likely make less money.

My wife understands this and that’s she’s paid well under this format.

 

[walkenvol]

I know multiple teachers. They all make less than 40k and have to pay out of pocket for classroom supplies.

I know multiple teachers making over $60K a year working 9 months a year. None of them carry home work either. I still wouldn’t take their jobs

 

[utvolpj]

Effective July 1, 2022, Florida issues a 5-year Temporary Certificate for military veterans who have not yet earned their bachelor’s degrees and meet the following eligibility:

Minimum of 48 months of military service with an honorable/medical discharge Minimum of 60 college credits with a 2.5 grade point average Passing score on a Florida subject area examination for bachelor’s level subjects Employment in a Florida school district, including charter schools Before applying for this pathway, complete a waiver request for the Military Certification Fees Waiver (MCFW).

Why would this not just be available to everyone if the goal is to flood the schools with extra teachers?

 

[utvolpj]

There is a rule in this that forces someone to be hired?

They're either hired or classes of 40 kids will become the norm

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

interesting question from someone who constantly derides another bartender as unqualified

Displaying proficiency in the subject being taught should be a minimum. These won't be hired at my kid's school. I also noted they wouldn't be qualified to work at their previous preschool. But hey, I'm sure their calculus knowledge is strong

Snark aside, I agree with you. Now. How does one become 'qualified'. Licensure is a modern concept, and I could argue that one of the only reasons it exists is to allow the state to extract fees from professionals to ply their trade. Frank LLoyd Wright never had a license. Licensure exists to validate the higher education system, and frankly little else. Why does a teacher need a license?? Many of our engineers on this very forum have talked about how the wet behind the ears college graduate knows nothing. And yeah if you want to interject the bartender into this, she doesn't know Jack **** about life... the very thing she is tasked with 'improving' for 300 million people. She is the very epitome of unqualified.

I haven't read this proposal, but if it brings practical life experience into the classroom how can it be a bad thing?

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Thats part of the problem. The "count up" method is the easiest way of counting change. It requires no math skills. I wasn't taught this method in school, I was taught it by Pal's.

They also don't teach anything financial like budgeting, taxes, stocks, 401k, loans, mortgages. No, the important stuff you just have to figure out on your own if you're lucky.

Point is, we need better teachers and teaching environments, not worse ones.

I don't at all disagree with any of that. Back when dinosaurs roamed the earth, it was called "HomeEc". What we have now is a direct result of a federal Department of Education.

Change my mind.