Florida granting teaching licenses to military + spouses.

[allvol123]

They're either hired or classes of 40 kids will become the norm

So you’re against reducing regulations (licensing requirements) for fear of what?

You can’t trust the school to hire competent non degreed personnel?

And who is this “they” and “they’re “ you keep referring to?

 

[DinkinFlicka]

So let's review. Public schools are producing people that can't make change without the register telling them exactly how much to count out.

Yeah. This will be way worse.

I cannot tell you the last time I paid for anything with change. Only time I use cash is at a bar and I don't ever need change.

 

[Ttucke11]

If I choose to work 9 months out of the year I will most likely make less money.

Everyone seems to gloss over this part. As well as having off fall break, winter break, spring break, working from 8-3 usually with a planning period, breaks in between, and a lunch baked in.

 

[utvolpj]

So you’re against reducing regulations (licensing requirements) for fear of what?

You can’t trust the school to hire competent non degreed personnel?

And who is this “they” and “they’re “ you keep referring to?

No I'm against making special dispensations simply because of who they married. If he thinks this is a good idea then open it to all who met the criteria. If not then it's simply pandering

 

[utvolpj]

Snark aside, I agree with you. Now. How does one become 'qualified'. Licensure is a modern concept, and I could argue that one of the only reasons it exists is to allow the state to extract fees from professionals to ply their trade. Frank LLoyd Wright never had a license. Licensure exists to validate the higher education system, and frankly little else. Why does a teacher need a license?? Many of our engineers on this very forum have talked about how the wet behind the ears college graduate knows nothing. And yeah if you want to interject the bartender into this, she doesn't know Jack **** about life... the very thing she is tasked with 'improving' for 300 million people. She is the very epitome of unqualified.

I haven't read this proposal, but if it brings practical life experience into the classroom how can it be a bad thing?

If we're going to continue public schools then there should be a minimum level of qualification. This has nothing to do with any life experience besides marrying someone who served 4yrs. That's it

 

[Majors]

Screw off with your indignation.

I’ve seen plenty of teachers that sucked and they are protected even by the good teachers.

Plenty of intelligent people without a degree. Hopefully this improves the public schools.

That is the goal, right? Or the goal is to protect the feelings of adults?

This is what happens when you promote $15 minimum wage.

 

[allvol123]

No I'm against making special dispensations simply because of who they married. If he thinks this is a good idea then open it to all who met the criteria. If not then it's simply pandering

Agreed. Open it fully. But this is more freedom at this point , not less.

And no, your original issue was something to the effect of “they aren’t qualified to teach my kids”

Again, not sure who “they” are and you weren’t concerned with pandering in that statement.

 

[Majors]

Thats part of the problem. The "count up" method is the easiest way of counting change. It requires no math skills. I wasn't taught this method in school, I was taught it by Pal's.

They also don't teach anything financial like budgeting, taxes, stocks, 401k, loans, mortgages. No, the important stuff you just have to figure out on your own if you're lucky.

Point is, we need better teachers and teaching environments, not worse ones.

That's wrong. It's taught in personal finances, usually an elective. So when a child is taking an elective they opted to not take this for another. The other side of it is if you're not talking to your kids about budgeting, finances, investing, taxes then you failed as a parent. Might need to check those classes before you say we need better teachers, might need better invested parents first.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

I cannot tell you the last time I paid for anything with change. Only time I use cash is at a bar and I don't ever need change.

I get your point, but that was just an example.

 

[utvolpj]

Agreed. Open it fully. But this is more freedom at this point , not less.

And no, your original issue was something to the effect of “they aren’t qualified to teach my kids”

Again, not sure who “they” are and you weren’t concerned with pandering in that statement.

Desantis is pandering

I have no issue stating they aren't qualified simply by being a military spouse. That means zero wrt the job

 

[allvol123]

Desantis is pandering

I have no issue stating they aren't qualified simply by being a military spouse. That means zero wrt the job

good. Does that make you feel better to get that out? Again, that wasn’t your original complaint.

Who is “they”. I deal with individuals when hiring, not “they”. He has increased the size of the hiring pool, that should elevate the talent level overall, not diminish it.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Florida to let veterans, spouses teach without bachelor's degree

What a slap in the face to real teachers. Real teachers that have to go to college, take out student loans, earn a degree, and actually be qualified, now earn the same pay as someone whose only qualification is they married a guy that was in the military 20 years ago.

Lets call it what it is, public school teachers are now glorified baby sitters. They are stretched way too thin, are given basically 0 resources, and are paid barely more than a full time McDonald's employee. And we wonder why we have school shooting problem...

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Yeah THIS is the reason why we have school shootings .

 

[utvolpj]

good. Does that make you feel better to get that out? Again, that wasn’t your original complaint.

Who is “they”. I deal with individuals when hiring, not “they”. He has increased the size of the hiring pool, that should elevate the talent level overall, not diminish it.

Increased the size but not the depth. This does nothing to increase the talent level

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Thats part of the problem. The "count up" method is the easiest way of counting change. It requires no math skills. I wasn't taught this method in school, I was taught it by Pal's.

They also don't teach anything financial like budgeting, taxes, stocks, 401k, loans, mortgages. No, the important stuff you just have to figure out on your own if you're lucky.

Point is, we need better teachers and teaching environments, not worse ones.

Then do away with the department of education for starters.

 

[allvol123]

Increased the size but not the depth. This does nothing to increase the talent level

Nonsense.

If one hire from the additional group of candidates is more talented than any of the people you would have hired from the original smaller pool, then talent level has increased.

 

[utvolpj]

Nonsense.

If one hire from the additional group of candidates is more talented than any of the people you would have hired from the original smaller pool, then talent level has increased.

The "military spouse" qualification did nothing to increase talent. It's a pandering gesture

 

[utvolpj]

I am curious if the kids or other teachers will have to address these new teachers by their husbands rank. Could get awkward

 

[allvol123]

The "military spouse" qualification did nothing to increase talent. It's a pandering gesture

If you increase candidates from 100 to 1000 you undoubtedly should increase your talent level in a field struggling to find employees.

If you can’t get past your anger over your original silly complaint, that’s a you issue.

 

[utvolpj]

If you increase candidates from 100 to 1000 you undoubtedly should increase your talent level in a field struggling to find employees.

If you can’t get past your anger over your original silly complaint, that’s a you issue.

There's no anger. If it was increasing qualified applicants that would be one thing. This limits that based on who they married which is irrelevant to the job. Quite simple really

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

If we're going to continue public schools then there should be a minimum level of qualification. This has nothing to do with any life experience besides marrying someone who served 4yrs. That's it

That's fair, but I think we have gone overboard with all this 'higher education' nonsense being the be all end all 'qualification'. That's my point. Sure, the Lieutenant's wife might not know anything.. I get it, but the Lieutenant's daughter that just graduated from Brown University doesn't either, but she has the piece of paper that says she does. We need a balance, and the bureaucracy has it's thumb on the scale.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

There's no anger. If it was increasing qualified applicants that would be one thing. This limits that based on who they married which is irrelevant to the job. Quite simple really

What if she has a Master's in Finance, but graduated 20 years before and took a hiatus to marry the Lieutenant and raise his kids all over the world? Even if she doesn't have a Masters, maybe she was living with the Lieutenant or Gunny in 10 different countries all over the world.

 

[utvolpj]

What if she has a Master's in Finance, but graduated 20 years before and took a hiatus to marry the Lieutenant and raise his kids all over the world? Even if she doesn't have a Masters, maybe she was living with the Lieutenant or Gunny in 10 different countries all over the world.

Then they wouldn't need this

 

[allvol123]

There's no anger. If it was increasing qualified applicants that would be one thing. This limits that based on who they married which is irrelevant to the job. Quite simple really

It was more limited prior to this. So you’re for keeping it more limited if you can’t open it up fully? Seems like a stupid opinion if you want to improve things.

I want it all or nothing!

And you’re still arguing about whether it will increase qualified applicants. My gosh, how dense.

If you have 100 open positions and only 100 candidates. Guess what, you are taking the bottom feeders along with the qualified. Now increase that pool to 500 candidates. If 1 candidate in that 500 is better than the 100th best from the original pool, you’ve increase talent level.

But this is all for nothing, you backed yourself into a corner with your original stupid quip. Love those faux freedom lovers.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Then they wouldn't need this

Why do you say that? She doesn't have the teaching certificate.

What if she worked as a waitress at the BOQ in 5 or 10 different countries and has a high school diploma. I guarantee you she has more world knowledge than 99% of the kids coming out of college.

 

[allvol123]

If we're going to continue public schools then there should be a minimum level of qualification. This has nothing to do with any life experience besides marrying someone who served 4yrs. That's it

Point to the part that says anyone has to hire them.