Florida Still Not Impressing Me

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A certain number of people will say that the competition, when successful, either really wasn't successful or should have done better. They do this to deflect the criticism of themselves and to minimize the success of the competitors.

It's called envy.
 
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lawgator1 said:
A certain number of people will say that the competition, when successful, either really wasn't successful or should have done better. They do this to deflect the criticism of themselves and to minimize the success of the competitors.

It's called envy.
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other people are objective about it and call a spade a spade.
 
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I guess we have perfection envy because we haven't been able to do that yet....
 
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tng8r said:
My point was what everybody was saying heading into the SEC Championship game against then #1 and undefeated Alabama. Florida won't be able to move the ball. They are more physical than Florida. Blah, blah, blah.
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It was said that Alabama might be able to dominate the line of scrimmage and keep UF's offense off of the field. I don't think anybody expected UF not to be able to move the ball. That still has nothing to do with the fact that 98 UT or 04 Auburn would have beaten this year's Gators.
 
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tng8r said:
Wow....Syracuse, Houston, UAB are powerhouses along with Miss State in the SEC Champ game along with FSU's 2nd string quarterback. Very comparable to #1 and undefeated Alabama and the Heisman Trophy winner on the most prolific offensive team in college football. I see your point now....it is becoming clearer.
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You're the one who brought meaningless offensive stats into the discussion. My original point was based on talent and defense. Both teams had more talent and better defenses than this year's Gators. Also, both team's running games would not have been shut down by UF and would have dominated TOP in the way that some people thought Alabama would.
 
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lawgator1 said:
A certain number of people will say that the competition, when successful, either really wasn't successful or should have done better. They do this to deflect the criticism of themselves and to minimize the success of the competitors.

It's called envy.
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Wow, you must have been on your period the entire time since coming back.
 
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gainesvol82 said:
You're the one who brought meaningless offensive stats into the discussion. My original point was based on talent and defense. Both teams had more talent and better defenses than this year's Gators. Also, both team's running games would not have been shut down by UF and would have dominated TOP in the way that some people thought Alabama would.
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In fact, I think the 96 Gator team is your best team and could compete with either of the two teams I mentioned.
 
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gainesvol82 said:
In fact, I think the 96 Gator team is your best team and could compete with either of the two teams I mentioned.
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Actually I think the 95 team was the best....they just get tarnished because of the Nebraska fiasco. The offense and defense were statisticallly better than the 96 team.
 
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tng8r said:
Also Auburn's 04 defensive stats are on par with UT and UF respectively
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you're using stats a lot to support your points, but they just don't tell the real story. A team with good defensive stats this season, like yours and ours, could have still been a mediocre defense, like ours. There has to be some context for the stats to have any meaning.

Talking about dominant football players has some meaning, regardless of context. UF's D this season didn't truly have dominant football players. Spikes might qualify.
 
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No but what is impressive is to see how bad they were last year and the turnaround to this year........Not a single senior on the D......so the youth factor and the athletes is what is impressive. If I remember both UT and Auburn were senior laden teams. Finally Dunlap would be a dominant player I would say......
 
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tng8r said:
No but what is impressive is to see how bad they were last year and the turnaround to this year........Not a single senior on the D......so the youth factor and the athletes is what is impressive. If I remember both UT and Auburn were senior laden teams. Finally Dunlap would be a dominant player I would say......
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Dunlap's so dominant that you don't play him on running downs?
 
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tng8r said:
Actually I think the 95 team was the best....they just get tarnished because of the Nebraska fiasco. The offense and defense were statisticallly better than the 96 team.
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Only referring to NC teams but the 95 UF team was very good.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
other people are objective about it and call a spade a spade.
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BPV, you and a few others may be even more frustrated that I am by the comments of those reaching for any basis for criticism. The simple fact is that for the last five years the Gators have had success whereas UT has not. Won't wlaways be that way, certainly. But what is the harm in saying someone else has been better?
 
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lawgator1 said:
BPV, you and a few others may be even more frustrated that I am by the comments of those reaching for any basis for criticism. The simple fact is that for the last five years the Gators have had success whereas UT has not. Won't wlaways be that way, certainly. But what is the harm in saying someone else has been better?
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there is no harm. I get the point. You'd think people are going to die if we mention that ours might not be the single best program in the history of the game at every possible moment.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
there is no harm. I get the point. You'd think people are going to die if we mention that ours might not be the single best program in the history of the game at every possible moment.
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You mean we're not? :question:
 
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tng8r said:
Wow....Syracuse, Houston, UAB are powerhouses along with Miss State in the SEC Champ game along with FSU's 2nd string quarterback. Very comparable to #1 and undefeated Alabama and the Heisman Trophy winner on the most prolific offensive team in college football. I see your point now....it is becoming clearer.
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You seem to forget when bringing up that so called 2nd string QB for FSU that he blistered your beloved Gators the game before the national title game...At least We beat them. :shaking2:
 
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tng8r said:
The point I was making was the similarities with the 98UT team and the 06 UF team. Just enough offense to win and a smothering defense. The 08 Gator team I agree would probably beat either the 98 UT team or the 04 Auburn team.
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Don't forget that the Tennessee offense also had Jamal Lewis, Travis Henry, and Travis Stephens in the backfield, and they were throwing to Peerless Price.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
there is no harm. I get the point. You'd think people are going to die if we mention that ours might not be the single best program in the history of the game at every possible moment.
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Exactly. And you know I remember 3 years ago when debating the upcoming game for probably '06 a large number of folks on here would would discuss the things Florida did well and how to deal with them. Similarly, I was expected to acknolwedge the strengths of UT's team, which I did.

But as the gap in performance has grown over the last few years, I see far fewer people willing to be objective about Florida and that they just revert this homeristic nonsense, trying to justify, or more accurately excuse, the gap.

When Florida was in the Zook doldrums, sure we had our share of fans who couldn't see past their allegiance to the team. But the vast majority admitted we sucked and demanded to get better.

I am not seeing that here, with some notable exceptions.

And by the way simply finally jumping on the Fire Fulmer bandwagon isn't enough -- to say that the team has lacked talent and competitiveness, that is the measure of turning the corner, so to speak.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Exactly. And you know I remember 3 years ago when debating the upcoming game for probably '06 a large number of folks on here would would discuss the things Florida did well and how to deal with them. Similarly, I was expected to acknolwedge the strengths of UT's team, which I did.

But as the gap in performance has grown over the last few years, I see far fewer people willing to be objective about Florida and that they just revert this homeristic nonsense, trying to justify, or more accurately excuse, the gap.

When Florida was in the Zook doldrums, sure we had our share of fans who couldn't see past their allegiance to the team. But the vast majority admitted we sucked and demanded to get better.
I am not seeing that here, with some notable exceptions.

And by the way simply finally jumping on the Fire Fulmer bandwagon isn't enough -- to say that the team has lacked talent and competitiveness, that is the measure of turning the corner, so to speak.
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I take exception to that part of your post. I moved to Gainesville in '02. The vast majority of Gator fans did not admit that UF sucked and I saw every bit as much homerism as you see here. I used to hear regularly how UT wouldn't compete with the recruits Zook was bringing in and so on. Talk radio in the area certainly didn't admit to being awful. There was plenty of criticism of Zook but every bit as much cocky arrogance as in Spurrier's or Meyer's tenures.
 
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