Florida vs Oregon State

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Lawrence Wright said:
This is the new normal with non-CFP bowl games.
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I have to agree, and it sets a precedent for the future. The bottom line is actually the bottom line (money). If these non CFP bowls become unwatchable, can they survive? NIL, transfer portal and CFP are making college football evolve. Is this evolution a good direction? Get your popcorn.
 
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Hopeful Vol said:
Does Billy Napier make it to 2025?
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I wouldn't write Napier off so quickly. I don't have a super-strong opinion one way or another, but Mullen recruited very poorly in his last couple of years. This is easily the least talented Florida team of the past 30'ish years. Napier is a much better recruiter.

Remains to be seen whether he can translate that to results, but Year 1 is rarely indicative of how new coaches fare. We'll learn more in Years 2 and 3. I'll probably have a stronger opinion on Napier after next year.
 
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My take has nothing to do with this year's Las Vegas bowl, I don't understand why the Las Vegas bowl is not a bigger game played later in the bowl season. Especially considering now they have a state of the art stadium in freaking Las Vegas!
 
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An argument can be made, once we get to the 12 team playoff system, to dump the bowl games, rotate the sites among the current bowls, and distribute the TV money to everyone. Even bowls now have lost so much of their allure and it will be worse when the new playoff system starts.
 
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lawgator1 said:
An argument can be made, once we get to the 12 team playoff system, to dump the bowl games, rotate the sites among the current bowls, and distribute the TV money to everyone. Even bowls now have lost so much of their allure and it will be worse when the new playoff system starts.
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Eff that. More football rather than less.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Well, even with our starters we were 6-6. Kind of tells you what to expect from second and third string players.
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I agree, but I think UF's 2nd string should have much higher rated talent than OregonSt's starting lineup. Coach Napier and staff dropped the ball. I don't know if the team is lost. I have no idea. But Coach Napier should never be boatraced by that team. I suspect it is all *mental at this point. A 9-3 Pac 12 team definitely has lower rated talent on the field than most 6-6 SEC teams, and definitely if it is UF.

It is frustrating, I remember all the underperforming UT teams of the 21st century.


Butch Jones was 3-0 in bowl games. 2015 and 16 were really listless lineups of superior talent during the regular seasons and those staffs somehow got the teams up for the bowl games.

*see UT at USCe
 
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vols40 said:
My take has nothing to do with this year's Las Vegas bowl, I don't understand why the Las Vegas bowl is not a bigger game played later in the bowl season. Especially considering now they have a state of the art stadium in freaking Las Vegas!
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Las Vegas: The bedbug capital of the world.

Go VOLS
 
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Ratvol said:
Las Vegas: The bedbug capital of the world.

Go VOLS
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I get that for sure but there are huge events held in Las Vegas each year because it is Vegas. A big time college football game would be no different. Besides mid December is to close to the ending of the NFR rodeo.
 
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SpookyAction said:
I agree, but I think UF's 2nd string should have much higher rated talent than OregonSt's starting lineup. Coach Napier and staff dropped the ball. I don't know if the team is lost. I have no idea. But Coach Napier should never be boatraced by that team. I suspect it is all *mental at this point. A 9-3 Pac 12 team definitely has lower rated talent on the field than most 6-6 SEC teams, and definitely if it is UF.

It is frustrating, I remember all the underperforming UT teams of the 21st century.


Butch Jones was 3-0 in bowl games. 2015 and 16 were really listless lineups of superior talent during the regular seasons and those staffs somehow got the teams up for the bowl games.

*see UT at USCe
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That wasn't Napier's team. That was the left over disaster of Mullen. Next year we will have the first real sense of Napier's recruiting and perhaps a year after that to see a lot of those players make the field.

I do think most UF fans have the sense to realize it's a 3 year rebuild.
 
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lawgator1 said:
That wasn't Napier's team. That was the left over disaster of Mullen. Next year we will have the first real sense of Napier's recruiting and perhaps a year after that to see a lot of those players make the field.

I do think most UF fans have the sense to realize it's a 3 year rebuild.
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Truth is, it is his team. It's the only one he's got.
It is a bit like the team Butch left in 2017. Looked fine on paper. Too undersized and understrength to win the battles.
This was the first UF team I have seen since 1991 that was not physically prepared to win in the trenches.
 
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lawgator1 said:
That wasn't Napier's team. That was the left over disaster of Mullen. Next year we will have the first real sense of Napier's recruiting and perhaps a year after that to see a lot of those players make the field.

I do think most UF fans have the sense to realize it's a 3 year rebuild.
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From experience, I respectfully submit that once a team gets in the wilderness, 3 years might be best case scenario. It's not that the school or the facilities or the fan base or any of that play into it. It's the fact that the hot players want to play at the hot schools, and it's hard to get the prestige back. You may be right and it'll happen quick, but the jury is out on Napier.

When Tennessee's coaching was obviously sucking, lots here were pining for Mullen, and he seemed to be "a good coach at a mediocre football school", and many wanted him in Knoxville. Crazy how one player (Dak Prescott) can make a coach seem like a genius. Analyze Josh Dobbs relationship with Butch Jones and you have almost the same thing.

If Napier can't put up the W's in the next three years, UF will have yet another coaching search. And NOBODY is immune to the wilderness. Take Alabama after Gene Stallings left. You had Mike Shula (bust), Mike Dubose (bust) Dennis Francione (bolted) and Mike Price (coached only the spring game). Those were good years for Tennessee. Bama might just suffer the same woes after Saban. That remains to be seen, and younger fans only see them as elite, and don't realize there are cycles. Some short and some long.
 
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They will get a better QB for next years team and have recruited well and still have the portal. Hope they keep going south but they will end up winning 7 or 8 games next year.
 
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ptcarter said:
From experience, I respectfully submit that once a team gets in the wilderness, 3 years might be best case scenario. It's not that the school or the facilities or the fan base or any of that play into it. It's the fact that the hot players want to play at the hot schools, and it's hard to get the prestige back. You may be right and it'll happen quick, but the jury is out on Napier.

When Tennessee's coaching was obviously sucking, lots here were pining for Mullen, and he seemed to be "a good coach at a mediocre football school", and many wanted him in Knoxville. Crazy how one player (Dak Prescott) can make a coach seem like a genius. Analyze Josh Dobbs relationship with Butch Jones and you have almost the same thing.

If Napier can't put up the W's in the next three years, UF will have yet another coaching search. And NOBODY is immune to the wilderness. Take Alabama after Gene Stallings left. You had Mike Shula (bust), Mike Dubose (bust) Dennis Francione (bolted) and Mike Price (coached only the spring game). Those were good years for Tennessee. Bama might just suffer the same woes after Saban. That remains to be seen, and younger fans only see them as elite, and don't realize there are cycles. Some short and some long.
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That may be the one benefit to the portal in that it's not just going to the hot school, it's going where you can play, get scouted, and get drafted.

Florida is a for sure destination to get seen. We still have that cache. So question is whether, like UT this year, we have the right guys in the right spots at exactly the right time.

Other than UGA, Ala, and perhaps tOSU, the rest of us are going to be scrambling to find the puzzle pieces, year in and year out. It's basically free agency... every year for every player.
 
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lawgator1 said:
That may be the one benefit to the portal in that it's not just going to the hot school, it's going where you can play, get scouted, and get drafted.

Florida is a for sure destination to get seen. We still have that cache. So question is whether, like UT this year, we have the right guys in the right spots at exactly the right time.

Other than UGA, Ala, and perhaps tOSU, the rest of us are going to be scrambling to find the puzzle pieces, year in and year out. It's basically free agency... every year for every player.
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Lots of variables in the equation that didn't use to exist. So the question is: Is with NIL, transfer portal and CFP, is it eventually going to be the great equalizer, or do the rich get richer?
 
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ptcarter said:
Lots of variables in the equation that didn't use to exist. So the question is: Is with NIL, transfer portal and CFP, is it eventually going to be the great equalizer, or do the rich get richer?
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I think on the long run the portal will benefit the middle teams. NIL will be a disaster unless people get with these kids and teach them how to think ahead and be a little bit responsible.
 
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Well so far Billy Napier has done absolutely nothing in the portal. There are several teams grabbing players left and right but he’s done zilch.
I mentioned on his twitter feed there might be two reasons Florida hasn’t acquired any players one of them being nobody wants to play for him or his staff after that fiasco this weekend or the other reason he’s not using the portal is because he and his staff are apparently lazy. It took approximately a minute for him to block me. I guess either the truth hurts or I hit the nail on the head.
 
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Gatoringa said:
Well so far Billy Napier has done absolutely nothing in the portal. There are several teams grabbing players left and right but he’s done zilch.
I mentioned on his twitter feed there might be two reasons Florida hasn’t acquired any players one of them being nobody wants to play for him or his staff after that fiasco this weekend or the other reason he’s not using the portal is because he and his staff are apparently lazy. It took approximately a minute for him to block me. I guess either the truth hurts or I hit the nail on the head.
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Prerty snap judgment early in the process. Do you know the timing of the portal? I am doubting you do.
 
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chuck0303 said:
It's ok for them to suffer a few years like we did, and at one time before Sabin, Alabubba did too.
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I want them to suck. I want to beat their brains in every year. But I simply don’t get any more pleasure from a win by knowing they fans of the opponent are miserable. I don’t understand those who do. Not sure I want to.

Yes, those Gator fans who throw pee and act like animals at the swamp (the reason why I will never go back there) can take a flying leap. But there are good Florida fans who post on here and I wish them no ill will. I’m certainly not going out of my way to rub salt in the wound.
 
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