Floyd Landis fails drug test

[VolinArizona]

Disgraceful

http://www.tsn.ca/oln/news_story.asp?id=172496

 

[VOLracerx]

Only disgraceful if proven true. The doping controls in cycling are a lot different from other sports. Besdies - there may be a medical reason for this as well - since he is going to have his hip replaced. I am not saying he is innocent but lets not hang him until all evidence is presented.

 

[hatvol96]

I not only hope this is true, it is my fervent hope that this will spur the media to expose the sham regarding Lance Armstrong. The American media has given Armstrong a free pass because he has a nice little human interest story. Here's hoping they now do their job and go after him with half the zeal they've dedicated to eviscerating Barry Bonds.

 

[therealUT]

Considering that Floyd will be stripped of his Tour win and will most likely never race again, I do not feel the media will have to pursue this with that much zeal. On the contrary, even if Bonds failed a drug test today, or Anderson finally decided to speak on the matter, Bonds single season HR record would stand (at least until Pujols breaks it.)

 

[volinbham]

I not only hope this is true, it is my fervent hope that this will spur the media to expose the sham regarding Lance Armstrong. The American media has given Armstrong a free pass because he has a nice little human interest story. Here's hoping they now do their job and go after him with half the zeal they've dedicated to eviscerating Barry Bonds.

Glad that bad news for others is good news for you.

 

[hatvol96]

Glad that bad news for others is good news for you.

Why is it "bad news?" One of the principles a cheater must live with is the knowledge that they may be caught. Landis played the odds and got caught. I only hope this will bring about the scrutiny necessary to expose Lance Armstrong as an absolute fraud.

 

[therealUT]

Why is it "bad news?" One of the principles a cheater must live with is the knowledge that they may be caught. Landis played the odds and got caught. I only hope this will bring about the scrutiny necessary to expose Lance Armstrong as an absolute fraud.

Good luck with that Hatvol.

 

[hatvol96]

Good luck with that Hatvol.

I realize it isn't likely. Armstrong has a pigmentation advantage that Barry Bonds doesn't enjoy. Bonds also doesn't spend his free time sucking up to the Oprah culture.

 

[orange+white=heaven]

...the Oprah culture.

lol: lol:

 

[therealUT]

I realize it isn't likely. Armstrong has a pigmentation advantage that Barry Bonds doesn't enjoy. Bonds also doesn't spend his free time sucking up to the Oprah culture.

Enough with the race card, already!!! It is trite and completely unbased in reality.

 

[hatvol96]

Enough with the race card, already!!! It is trite and completely unbased in reality.

So says the Mayor of Delusionville. You're right. There is no institutional racism in America and George Bush is a great statesman.

 

[OrangePappy]

I realize it isn't likely. Armstrong has a pigmentation advantage that Barry Bonds doesn't enjoy. Bonds also doesn't spend his free time sucking up to the Oprah culture.

Barry Bond's problem is that he is a jerk. I seriously doubt Barry likes Barry. :bad:

 

[therealUT]

So says the Mayor of Delusionville. You're right. There is no institutional racism in America and George Bush is a great statesman.

You want to know what kind of institutional racism exists in America, and be prepared because it is caused by people like you:

If a young black boy cannot dribble well when he comes out to play basketball, no one will cast his problem as an injustice. No one will worry about his single parent home, the legacy of slavery that still touches his life, or the inherent racial bias in a game invented by a white man. His deficiency will be allowed to be what it is--poor dribbling. And he will be told to "tighten his game," which simply means to practice more. Very likely his peers will taunt him mercilessly, and even adults will give him no hugs to assuage his self-esteem. Very likely he will live through all this without the consultations of a father. Moreover, the standard of excellence for dribbling will be so high that many will not reach it and nothing less than virtuosity will satisfy it. When and if he meets this standard, he will be told "You bad" even by his competitors: that he has at last earned entree into a fraternity of nothing other than excellence. Surely he will feel proud of himself as a result.

But if this boy's problem is reading or writing rather than basketball, career hungry academics will appear in his little world, and they will argue that his weaknesses reflect the circuitous workings of racism. His reading and writing problems will be seen to follow from countless racial and psychological determinisms that make it impossible to ask that he and his family be fully responsible for overcoming these problems.

The boy will not be asked to truly work harder, nor will he be guided in the mastery of sentence structure, parts of speech, and verb tenses. No one will righteously insist that he speak correctly. Yet he will be an object of abstract compassion for everyone. Yet just beyond the window of his classroom, on the pockmarked basketball court with the netless and bent hoop, another weather pattern prevails. On that court, almost nothing is forgiven, and he will be "blamed" and held entirely responsible for his deficiences. And all through the tupor of a day structured to spare his feelings around reading, writing, and arithmetic, he will long to be on the other side of that window, where everything is asked of him.

White Guilt Shelby Steele

Most any time race is given importance, positively or negatively, people are hiding from their true motivations.

ibid

So, what are you hiding from Hat?

 

[allvol123]

I realize it isn't likely. Armstrong has a pigmentation advantage that Barry Bonds doesn't enjoy. Bonds also doesn't spend his free time sucking up to the Oprah culture.

nothing like playing the race card, so useles....

 

[allvol123]

nothing like playing the race card, so useles....

damn, I have got to watch my spelling today :banghead:

 

[volinbham]

Why is it "bad news?" One of the principles a cheater must live with is the knowledge that they may be caught. Landis played the odds and got caught. I only hope this will bring about the scrutiny necessary to expose Lance Armstrong as an absolute fraud.

Let's see, you state you hope it is true so another party will be torn down based on your assumption of his guilt. Whatever floats your boat.

 

[Lexvol]

I am no fan of the race card or Barry Bonds, but I will say this. What is happening to him is inexplicable and quite unfair. If he cheated, history will reflect that, but I am tired of hearing that he will be indicted, only to find out there is really not enough evidence to indict and prosecute. Why can't this be reported if and when it actually happens?

 

[volinbham]

I realize it isn't likely. Armstrong has a pigmentation advantage that Barry Bonds doesn't enjoy. Bonds also doesn't spend his free time sucking up to the Oprah culture.

Exactly who is it that is factoring race into this situation? Is it the American public? Is it the media?

 

[hatvol96]

You want to know what kind of institutional racism exists in America, and be prepared because it is caused by people like you:
So, what are you hiding from Hat?

Gee, so now commentary is fact. Interesting. Good to see you believe everything you see in print.

 

[hatvol96]

You want to know what kind of institutional racism exists in America, and be prepared because it is caused by people like you:
So, what are you hiding from Hat?

I could break out lengthy quotes from Cornell West, Ralph Wiley, or any of a number of other black scholars that say that is an absolute load of foolishness. However, I count on my own observations when assessing situations, not the writings of some pointy headed academician from the Hoover Institute.

 

[therealUT]

Gee, so now commentary is fact. Interesting. Good to see you believe everything you see in print.

Good to see you see racism in all situations. God forbid Bonds take responsibility for being a jerk

 

[VolinArizona]

hat, what if unarguable (is that a word?) evidence were released that said Armstrong never cheated and Bonds definitely did, would this still be a racial thing?

I find that the racial argument is cyclical. Maybe it wasn't a racial thing when it began with Bonds' public image, but because either A) Media tried to find something that wasn't there or B) There really is racial prejudices still prominent, we have this situation.

It feels like the chicken and the egg.

Are people hoping Bonds falls because they are racist, or did the media plant the seed?

All I know is: if someone cheated, no matter the color of their skin, hair, eyes, etc, they are awful people.

 

[therealUT]

I could break out lengthy quotes from Cornell West, Ralph Wiley, or any of a number of other black scholars that say that is an absolute load of foolishness. However, I count on my own observations when assessing situations, not the writings of some pointy headed academician from the Hoover Institute.

Please, break the quotes out.

 

[VolinArizona]

Good to see you see racism in all situations. God forbid Bonds take responsibility for being a jerk

Why would someone take responsibility for something so A) arbitrary and B) something he doesn't believe?

I don't like Bonds, but Barry likes Barry. If I had to guess, Barry thinks he's acting just fine. So why would he apologize?

 

[hatvol96]

Good to see you see racism in all situations. God forbid Bonds take responsibility for being a jerk

There is no bigger Barry Bonds fan tham I am. That said, please find where I've ever said he's a pleasant guy. My complaint is simple. Barry Bonds has failed exactly the same number of drug tests as Lance Armstrong. The international press is as convinced of Armstrong's use of performance enhancers as the American media is that Bonds juiced. Anyone with an IQ clearing room temperature knew something was up with Mark McGwire. Strangely, the media and the public never went after either of those guys. I mean, why would they? Lance goes on the Ellen show and blathers that "Livestrong" foolishness and that absolves him. It's also interesting that nobody cared about steroid use when it was McGwire setting single season records. Just keep living in that utopian world where racism doesn't exist.