Floyd Landis fails drug test

[hatvol96]

hat, what if unarguable (is that a word?) evidence were released that said Armstrong never cheated and Bonds definitely did, would this still be a racial thing?

I find that the racial argument is cyclical. Maybe it wasn't a racial thing when it began with Bonds' public image, but because either A) Media tried to find something that wasn't there or B) There really is racial prejudices still prominent, we have this situation.

It feels like the chicken and the egg.

Are people hoping Bonds falls because they are racist, or did the media plant the seed?

All I know is: if someone cheated, no matter the color of their skin, hair, eyes, etc, they are awful people.

It wouldn't be a racial issue then, because the two situations would no longer be comparable.

 

[hatvol96]

Please, break the quotes out.

Why would I waste my time breaking out lengthy quotes? If you really want to educate yourself, buy Wiley's "Why Black People Tend To Shout" and read it in its entirety. That would obviously do you some good.

 

[SURFSIDEBEACHVOL]

There is no bigger Barry Bonds fan tham I am. That said, please find where I've ever said he's a pleasant guy. My complaint is simple. Barry Bonds has failed exactly the same number of drug tests as Lance Armstrong.

Then why is Armstrong an "absolute fraud"

 

[hatvol96]

Then why is Armstrong an "absolute fraud"

I'm just doing what everyone else is doing to Bonds. I believe he took performance enhancers. Therefore, I can just ignore any evidence to the contrary. I won't even get into the fact I feel Armstrong may well be the most disingenuous person on the face of the planet.

 

[therealUT]

There is no bigger Barry Bonds fan tham I am. That said, please find where I've ever said he's a pleasant guy. My complaint is simple. Barry Bonds has failed exactly the same number of drug tests as Lance Armstrong. The international press is as convinced of Armstrong's use of performance enhancers as the American media is that Bonds juiced. Anyone with an IQ clearing room temperature knew something was up with Mark McGwire. Strangely, the media and the public never went after either of those guys. I mean, why would they? Lance goes on the Ellen show and blathers that "Livestrong" foolishness and that absolves him. It's also interesting that nobody cared about steroid use when it was McGwire setting single season records. Just keep living in that utopian world where racism doesn't exist.

I love how you always leave Sammy Sosa out when talking about the McGwire era. Sosa was just as juiced as McGwire, and the media gave him a free pass also, until he also broke open a corked bat. At that time, there was conclusive evidence and the media could no longer turn a blind eye. McGwire never offered up conclusive evidence until the congressional hearings, at which time, the media fried McGwire. Sosa and McGwire were amicable guys, that is why the media gave them the benefit of the doubt. Bonds has always pushed the media away and around, and therefore, the media did not feel it needed conclusive evidence to fry Bonds, as there was already bad blood between them.

 

[therealUT]

Why would I waste my time breaking out lengthy quotes? If you really want to educate yourself, buy Wiley's "Why Black People Tend To Shout" and read it in its entirety. That would obviously do you some good.

I'll read it. I read plenty of books in which the author views the world differently than I do.

 

[hatvol96]

I love how you always leave Sammy Sosa out when talking about the McGwire era. Sosa was just as juiced as McGwire, and the media gave him a free pass also, until he also broke open a corked bat. At that time, there was conclusive evidence and the media could no longer turn a blind eye. McGwire never offered up conclusive evidence until the congressional hearings, at which time, the media fried McGwire. Sosa and McGwire were amicable guys, that is why the media gave them the benefit of the doubt. Bonds has always pushed the media away and around, and therefore, the media did not feel it needed conclusive evidence to fry Bonds, as there was already bad blood between them.

McGwire, amicable? Ask the writers who covered him in Oakland how friendly he was. I guess finding performance enhancers and his amazing growth spurt in his mid '30s don't count as conclusive evidence against McGwire. Jose Canseco had it exactly right. The only reason the media and the public didn't know about McGwire's steroid use is that they didn't want to know.

 

[SURFSIDEBEACHVOL]

I'm just doing what everyone else is doing to Bonds. I believe he took performance enhancers. Therefore, I can just ignore any evidence to the contrary. I won't even get into the fact I feel Armstrong may well be the most disingenuous person on the face of the planet.

Do you believe Bonds took performance enhancers?

 

[hatvol96]

I'll read it. I read plenty of books in which the author views the world differently than I do.

As do I. Wiley was one of my favorite writers. I think he was arguably the best sportswriter of his time. If you like "Shout", read his followup "What Black People Should Do Now." It is also an excellent read.

 

[hatvol96]

Do you believe Bonds took performance enhancers?

Probably, but I have a different take on the entire steroid era than most.

 

[bigdaddy]

Probably, but I have a different take on the entire steroid era than most.

As do I. They probably started taking them thinking they were safe. Much like another subatance we though was safe-tobacco.

 

[therealUT]

McGwire, amicable? Ask the writers who covered him in Oakland how friendly he was. I guess finding performance enhancers and his amazing growth spurt in his mid '30s don't count as conclusive evidence against McGwire. Jose Canseco had it exactly right. The only reason the media and the public didn't know about McGwire's steroid use is that they didn't want to know.

And you defend Bonds??? McGwire at least hit 49 homeruns in 145 games in rookie season, Bonds went from never even hitting 50 HRs, to hitting 73, to never hitting 50 again...

Oh, and Bonds never had an amazing growth spurt or anything like that...

 

[hatvol96]

And you defend Bonds??? McGwire at least hit 49 homeruns in 145 games in rookie season, Bonds went from never even hitting 50 HRs, to hitting 73, to never hitting 50 again...

Oh, and Bonds never had an amazing growth spurt or anything like that...

You obviously didn't see my post where I grant that Bonds most likely did use performance enhancers. I simply don't care. The powers that be in the game didn't see the necessity to have a steroid policy, so I couldn't care less what someone was using. That to me is no different than the prevelant use of amphetamines and other stimulants wrote about in "Ball Four." Guys have been getting chamical help for many years. Better living through science.

 

[hatvol96]

And you defend Bonds??? McGwire at least hit 49 homeruns in 145 games in rookie season, Bonds went from never even hitting 50 HRs, to hitting 73, to never hitting 50 again...

Oh, and Bonds never had an amazing growth spurt or anything like that...

Run a picture of 1984 Michael Jordan next to 2002 Michael Jordan and see what that looks like. Or 1986 Roger Clemens and 2006 Roger Clemens.

 

[therealUT]

Run a picture of 1984 Michael Jordan next to 2002 Michael Jordan and see what that looks like. Or 1986 Roger Clemens and 2006 Roger Clemens.

I understand, however, you were the one commenting on McGwire's growth spurt.

 

[tidwell]

Not to get back on subject or anything, but isn't doping just as rampant in cycling as it is believed to be in baseball?

I've been sick of the Lance Armstrong story for years now, especially considering there's just as much doubt about him internationally as there is about Bonds' nationally. Meanwhile, Lance is telling gay jokes at the ESPY Awards while Bonds makes news by NOT being indicted today.

 

[hatvol96]

I understand, however, you were the one commenting on McGwire's growth spurt.

Because everyone uses that as irrefutable proof Bonds used performance enhancers, while acting as if McGwire just miraculously grew.

 

[vader]

You want to know what kind of institutional racism exists in America, and be prepared because it is caused by people like you:
So, what are you hiding from Hat?

I overcame being poor white trash.

I am now middle class white trash.

 

[therealUT]

Because everyone uses that as irrefutable proof Bonds used performance enhancers, while acting as if McGwire just miraculously grew.

I believe McGwire used performance enhancers.

 

[GAVol]

I've been sick of the Lance Armstrong story for years now, especially considering there's just as much doubt about him internationally as there is about Bonds' nationally. Meanwhile, Lance is telling gay jokes at the ESPY Awards while Bonds makes news by NOT being indicted today.

Guilty or not, I think Lance Armstrong has undoubtedly gotten one of the biggest free passes of all time.

 

[hatvol96]

I believe McGwire used performance enhancers.

Most agree on that point now. However, where were they in 1998?

 

[tidwell]

Guilty or not, I think Lance Armstrong has undoubtedly gotten one of the biggest free passes of all time.

Who knew that testicular cancer could turn out to be a good thing?

 

[hatvol96]

Guilty or not, I think Lance Armstrong has undoubtedly gotten one of the biggest free passes of all time.

Everyone is all over Bonds for having a mistress, but Armstrong walks out on his wife and kids to live the celebrity life with a marginally talented skank and not one negative word is uttered.

 

[Lexvol]

a marginally talented skank .

Perfect assessment.

 

[GAVol]

Everyone is all over Bonds for having a mistress, but Armstrong walks out on his wife and kids to live the celebrity life with a marginally talented skank and not one negative word is uttered.

My sentiments exactly. It's unbelievable how he left his wife and mother of his children who stuck by him through cancer treatments for Sheryl Crowe and people barely noticed.