Flying in the US

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#26
How the hell is making sure that you do not bring a weapon on a plane "taking your freedom"?
 
#27
#27
The reason these safeguards are in place is because there are those that have different "beliefs".

Huge difference between a car accident and an act of terrorism. You'd think that would be understood, but I guess it's not.
 
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RespectTradition said:
Never done drugs in my life. Never will.

The fact that someone took those victims freedom is an excuse to take my freedom how?

I am a pacifist because of religious beliefs, if you can't accept that, then I can't do anything for you. Maybe we should all just have your beliefs?
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You weren't talking bout your freedom. You were dogging a soldier for signing up to protect your precious freedom and doing what he's told.

I don't care why you're a pacifist. I'm just damn glad I live in a place where pacifists don't make decisions.

I don't care what you believe. I signed up so you can act like whatever form of ostrich you prefer to be.
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HSVol said:
So, you think the United States should ignore the threats we face? If not, what is your solution to the problem?

If your house is continually being burglarized because you leave the door unlocked, will you not decide to lock your door or place additional safeguards to protect your life and property? Or should you just stubbornly say you prefer to not stop and lock your door because you feel less free?
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How many times have we been 'continually ... burglarized'?
 
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RespectTradition said:
The day my little brother died in a car wreck didn't suddenly make me think that mandatory seat belt laws were good. Is that similar?

Emotional appeals are not good for making rational decisions. Arguments based on emotion are automatically suspect.
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Sorry about you brother, but it's not even close. The worse you will get is a ticket for a seat belt violation. How or what gets searched before you get on an airplane is not your choice. It is however, in everybody's best interest, even your own. How you feel about it is irrelevent.
 
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RespectTradition said:
How many times have we been 'continually ... burglarized'?
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:lol:

There have been many attempts, but let's not get in the way of facts. But how about Richard Reid and the underwear bomber? They failed, thankfully. Maybe the fact we locked the door is why it hasn't successfully happened again?

Hey, no need to argue with you. Apparently we live in utopia with no threats. :crazy:
 
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RespectTradition said:
Ever heard of the freedom to bear arms? Guarantee you, if people on board had been armed, then 9/11 doesn't happen.
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Right. So then that prevents some crazed lunactic from shooting the pilots in the back of the head before he can be gunned down by the rest of the passengers.

Logical thinker, you are.
 
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Mr Utopia bringing the "right to bear arms" jazz......I have heard it all now
 
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7thgroupvolfan said:
Sorry about you brother, but it's not even close. The worse you will get is a ticket for a seat belt violation. How or what gets searched before you get on an airplane is not your choice. It is however, in everybody's best interest, even your own. How you feel about it is irrelevent.
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My point is the principle. I have not doubts that seat belt laws save more lives than the TSA. I still feel that seat belt laws are an affront to freedom and another way of telling us that we are too stupid to make our own decisions (kind of ironic in a country where the people are supposed to decide (vote) isn't it?)

I don't think the TSA saves lives. Even if it did, I would oppose it.

I have no doubts that you feel you are protecting freedom. I have a question for you. Why would you enlist and place your life in harms way if you did not believe that freedom was more important than your life?
 
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#39
I guess we should just get rid of law enforcement, too. We'll arm ourselves to the teeth and pray the evil out of people.
 
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RespectTradition said:
My point is the principle. I have not doubts that seat belt laws save more lives than the TSA. I still feel that seat belt laws are an affront to freedom and another way of telling us that we are too stupid to make our own decisions (kind of ironic in a country where the people are supposed to decide (vote) isn't it?)

I don't think the TSA saves lives. Even if it did, I would oppose it.
I have no doubts that you feel you are protecting freedom. I have a question for you. Why would you enlist and place your life in harms way if you did not believe that freedom was more important than your life?
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Thank god your not in charge of National security is all I can say.


I don't agree with all the laws that are put in place. I do however believe in this country and what we as a whole stand for. As previously stated, you don't like it here, apply for a visa and move elsewhere. You do have that freedom.

Sometimes people need to die. Somebody has to do it.
 
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It is just heartwarming how many 'conservatives' I meet who online who are so respectful of other peoples religious beliefs. I guess Jesus was just a pot smoking hippie who said 'do not resist an evil man' and 'turn the other cheek'. Believe me, I would much rather smack the crap out of someone who offends me, but I obey the will of the Master and not my own.
 
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7thgroupvolfan said:
Thank god your not in charge of National security is all I can say.


I don't agree with all the laws that are put in place. I do however believe in this country and what we as a whole stand for. As previously stated, you don't like it here, apply for a visa and move elsewhere. You do have that freedom.

Sometimes people need to die. Somebody has to do it.
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Why does someone always resort the the 'love it or leave it' argument? Do I have to think that everything my country does is right in order to want to be there? Is it not possible to think that there are areas we need to improve on, but still feel that we are better than anywhere else? Should that have been the answer to those who opposed slavery? 'No, we have slavery, if you don't like it, leave.' Should that be the answer to anyone who wants lower taxes? Is that the appropriate response whenever someone disapproves? When is it ok to disagree and express it? Are there rules? Is there a list somewhere? Who gets to decide?
 
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7thgroupvolfan said:
Ever heard of the term "Going Postal up in here". How is random citizens being armed on an airplane safe? I can see the headlines now "Gun fight breaks out on flight 636, 12 dead"
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So you don't think armed citizens can protect themselves? Why do you think the Revolutionaries won the war for Independence?
 
#45
#45
RespectTradition said:
Why does someone always resort the the 'love it or leave it' argument? Do I have to think that everything my country does is right in order to want to be there? Is it not possible to think that there are areas we need to improve on, but still feel that we are better than anywhere else? Should that have been the answer to those who opposed slavery? 'No, we have slavery, if you don't like it, leave.' Should that be the answer to anyone who wants lower taxes? Is that the appropriate response whenever someone disapproves? When is it ok to disagree and express it? Are there rules? Is there a list somewhere? Who gets to decide?
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I'm just glad it's not you. Wanna change the world? Run for office.
 
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#47
RespectTradition said:
So you don't think armed citizens can protect themselves? Why do you think the Revolutionaries won the war for Independence?
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I'll guaran-dang-tee that a killer can shoot two pilots in the back of the head before the other "armed citizens" have a chance to take him down.


Such a naive perspective.
 
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