Football Practice

[allvol]

I'm not sure I understand your point. If you're saying that Bob Stoops, Pete Carroll, Butch Davis, or a number of other guys couldn't walk in and win tomorrow at UT, I think you're wildly erroneous in your assumption. If you're saying that, realistically, finding a quality replacement would be more difficult than most think, then I agree.

Do you mean by "win tomorrow" as 13-0?, 12-1?, 11-2?

Bob Stoops was 7-5 in his first season at Oklahoma.

Pete Carroll was 6-6 in his first season at USC.

Butch Davis was 8-3 in his first season at Miami. The Hurricanes were 5-6 by his 3rd season.

 

[hatvol96]

Do you mean by "win tomorrow" as 13-0?, 12-1?, 11-2?

Bob Stoops was 7-5 in his first season at Oklahoma.

Pete Carroll was 6-6 in his first season at USC.

Butch Davis was 8-3 in his first season at Miami. The Hurricanes were 5-6 by his 3rd season.

If UT is in as bad a shape as OU was when Stoops took over, Fulmer should have been fired two years ago. That would mean all these highly rated recruiting classes everyone uses to defend the guy are a sham. Look at OU's record the 4 years prior to Stoops arriving. Also, you conveniently leave out the second year records of Carroll and Stoops. Miami was on probation, so that's comparing apples to orangutangs.

 

[hatvol96]

Also, the last time I looked, all three of those first year records are better than 5-6.

 

[allvol]

My point was that I think it would be difficult for any coach to come in and install a entire new offensive and defensive scheme and win 10+ games immediately.

Previous----Head------1st
Season-----Coach-----Season
-----------------------------------
8-5 Butch Davis 8-3
5-7 Pete Carroll 6-6
5-6 Bob Stoops 7-5


Even Steve Spurrier took a 6-5 team and only improved them to 7-5.

Based upon history, it would be difficult for a new coach to come to Tennessee and win more then 7 games in his first season following a 5-6 season.

 

[volfan2024]

What I find amusing about these threads is posters that were students at UT in the years referenced or any down year for any coach, why didn't you get off of your duff and go help. Join the team if your so gifted, I mean I know you write a mean post. It's equivalent to not voting in an election but still complaining isn't it? IMO if you knock the coach, your knocking the player. :dunno:

 

[hatvol96]

What I find amusing about these threads is posters that were students at UT in the years referenced or any down year for any coach, why didn't you get off of your duff and go help. Join the team if your so gifted, I mean I know you write a mean post. It's equivalent to not voting in an election but still complaining isn't it? IMO if you knock the coach, your knocking the player. :dunno:

I like you, but that has to be one of the single most nonsensical posts of all time. To draw an analogy, your position is akin to saying "If you think your taxes are too high, run for President or shut up." People in positions of power would love it if everyone took your view, they'd be immunized from any criticism.

 

[WA_Vol]

What I find amusing about these threads is posters that were students at UT in the years referenced or any down year for any coach, why didn't you get off of your duff and go help. Join the team if your so gifted, I mean I know you write a mean post. It's equivalent to not voting in an election but still complaining isn't it? IMO if you knock the coach, your knocking the player. :dunno:

How do you explain the UT basketball season then?

According to this, we couldn't criticize Buzz Peterson because we would be knocking the players.

Yet Bruce Pearl took the same playes and finished first in the SEC east, where Peterson finished last the year before with the same players.

According to this you cant criticize the coach because you would criticize the players, we would still have wade houston as a basketball coach.

 

[Freak]

Unless you have a comment about open/closed practice let's keep the Fulmer discussion in the Fulmer thread.

Thank you, thank you very much.

 

[volfan2024]

I like you, but that has to be one of the single most nonsensical posts of all time. To draw an analogy, your position is akin to saying "If you think your taxes are too high, run for President or shut up." People in positions of power would love it if everyone took your view, they'd be immunized from any criticism.

Hatvol, you should like me, I am actually one person who has used lawyers in the past, won civil cases wih them, one is even a judge now, so I have a huge respect for your profession unlike alot of people unfortunately. I know my analogy overshot or missed the mark a little bit but living in the past gets a little old too.

 

[hatvol96]

Hatvol, you should like me, I am actually one person who has used lawyers in the past, won civil cases wih them, one is even a judge now, so I have a huge respect for your profession unlike alot of people unfortunately. I know my analogy overshot or missed the mark a little bit but living in the past gets a little old too.

I'll grant you that point. It wouldn't hurt me to approach the football program with a more open mind.

 

[kiddiedoc]

I don't know if anyone else heard TT on the Animals this morning, but he had some good things to say. He said that last year's losing season might be the best thing that's ever happenned for UT football. Everyone is serious about righting the ship. No "heat" has been taken off of him or the other coaches by the outstanding performance of the basketball team, because when you are UT Football and Fulmer is the HC, there will always be heat.

Specifically, on receivers, he said that they are working on getting "knockdowns" (and that's not referencing passes thrown their way, despite how it looked last year), more intensity, picking up YAC. . . .

I didn't get to listen to the entire segment, but I heard the above on my way to the office.

 

[Volunteer]

I'll grant you that point. It wouldn't hurt me to approach the football program with a more open mind.

Hatvol, it's taken 7 pages of this thread to make this realization????

 

[hatvol96]

Hatvol, it's taken 7 pages of this thread to make this realization????

Not really. I've just grown so tired of the Fulmerites' crying, I figured I'd throw them a bone.

 

[VOLracerx]

Not really. I've just grown so tired of the Fulmerites' crying, I figured I'd throw them a bone.

If it makes you feel bette - I am tired of you rhetoric too!!! :biggrin2:

 

[thunder5]

Final Polls (AP-Coaches) 1990-2005
8-7
14-15
12-12
12-11
22-18
3-2
9-9
7-8
1-1
8-9
NR-25
4-4
NR-NR
15-16
13-15
NR-NR

One thing I notice is that the NR's start when Sanders took over the offense(I'm not counting 99 with the Cutcliffe leftovers). And how has Tennessee been characterized over the last 6 years...usually an excellent defense complimented by a boring, underachieving offense. And now Sanders is gone. I'm not saying its all his fault...accountability has to begin and end at the top. But Fulmer was around for all of those years that we had a great offense, it was in essense his philosophy that worked...the same philosophy that alot of people say is his downfall now. The game hasn't changed so drastically since 98 that a complete overhaul of the system is needed. The talent levels of other teams(Georgia, LSU, Auburn, etc.) has caught up and now we have to respond accordingly. I for one am patient enough to wait until the end of next season to pass judgement on Fulmer.

 

[jakez4ut]

One thing I notice is that the NR's start when Sanders took over the offense(I'm not counting 99 with the Cutcliffe leftovers). And how has Tennessee been characterized over the last 6 years...usually an excellent defense complimented by a boring, underachieving offense. And now Sanders is gone. I'm not saying its all his fault...accountability has to begin and end at the top. But Fulmer was around for all of those years that we had a great offense, it was in essense his philosophy that worked...the same philosophy that alot of people say is his downfall now. The game hasn't changed so drastically since 98 that a complete overhaul of the system is needed. The talent levels of other teams(Georgia, LSU, Auburn, etc.) has caught up and now we have to respond accordingly. I for one am patient enough to wait until the end of next season to pass judgement on Fulmer.

yet another way to look at things.....

 

[RealVol]

I believe most here can agree on one thing: UT's offense has got to improve.

Not by just a little bit, not by having to search for obscure stats, not by fractions of improvement, but by a SIGNIFICANT margin. Quite honestly I'm VERY apprehensive our "new offensive staff" can or will advance our o scheme to the degree I believe we have got to get to. No doubt they will be more disciplined, hopefully more productive & I sincerely hope they look like they know what the hell they're doing. Confusion was a puzzling scene that repeatedly happened under the previous staff, especially when they only ran the same old 8 plays.

How Fulmer ALLOWED our offense to progressively, systematically, obviously and evidently unrestricted hit rock bottom, has got to be one of the worst coaching decisions I've ever heard of.

Now all of a sudden he's got all the answers....right.

Improvement sure (I believe I could do as well) real change, I'm not so sure.

Take time to look at our SEC foes, UGA owns UT, LSU thank goodness UT played them last year when we did, UF loaded (I'm not completely sold on CUM yet) U AL finally off probation and possibly turning the corner, UA owns UT, SC...well Spurrier owns UT, hell, I'll even have to give credit to that idiot at Ole Miss, he was impressive w the talent level he had last year.

 

[Lexvol]

I believe most here can agree on one thing: UT's offense has got to improve.

Not by just a little bit, not by having to search for obscure stats, not by fractions of improvement, but by a SIGNIFICANT margin. Quite honestly I'm VERY apprehensive our "new offensive staff" can or will advance our o scheme to the degree I believe we have got to get to. No doubt they will be more disciplined, hopefully more productive & I sincerely hope they look like they know what the hell they're doing. Confusion was a puzzling scene that repeatedly happened under the previous staff, especially when they only ran the same old 8 plays.

How Fulmer ALLOWED our offense to progressively, systematically, obviously and evidently unrestricted hit rock bottom, has got to be one of the worst coaching decisions I've ever heard of.

Now all of a sudden he's got all the answers....right.

Improvement sure (I believe I could do as well) real change, I'm not so sure.

Take time to look at our SEC foes, UGA owns UT, LSU thank goodness UT played them last year when we did, UF loaded (I'm not completely sold on CUM yet) U AL finally off probation and possibly turning the corner, UA owns UT, SC...well Spurrier owns UT, hell, I'll even have to give credit to that idiot at Ole Miss, he was impressive w the talent level he had last year.

I will settle for these improvements: catch the ball, and score touchdowns in the redzone.

 

[rockydoc]

I believe most here can agree on one thing: UT's offense has got to improve.

Not by just a little bit, not by having to search for obscure stats, not by fractions of improvement, but by a SIGNIFICANT margin. Quite honestly I'm VERY apprehensive our "new offensive staff" can or will advance our o scheme to the degree I believe we have got to get to. No doubt they will be more disciplined, hopefully more productive & I sincerely hope they look like they know what the hell they're doing. Confusion was a puzzling scene that repeatedly happened under the previous staff, especially when they only ran the same old 8 plays.

How Fulmer ALLOWED our offense to progressively, systematically, obviously and evidently unrestricted hit rock bottom, has got to be one of the worst coaching decisions I've ever heard of.

Now all of a sudden he's got all the answers....right.

Improvement sure (I believe I could do as well) real change, I'm not so sure.

Take time to look at our SEC foes, UGA owns UT, LSU thank goodness UT played them last year when we did, UF loaded (I'm not completely sold on CUM yet) U AL finally off probation and possibly turning the corner, UA owns UT, SC...well Spurrier owns UT, hell, I'll even have to give credit to that idiot at Ole Miss, he was impressive w the talent level he had last year.

And don't forget that Vandy hasn't had a longer winning steak against UT since 1925-26!

 

[RealVol]

All when most (including me) thought at pre-season we would be sniffing all around a Rose Bowl appearance.

At that time I had forecast a Big Orange & Burnt Orange show down.

Whoever stated our season was truly an embarrassement was right on.

 

[jakez4ut]

All when most (including me) thought at pre-season we would be sniffing all around a Rose Bowl appearance.

At that time I had forecast a Big Orange & Burnt Orange show down.

Whoever stated our season was truly an embarrassement was right on.

i understand why you may have thought that, but when all the pre season stuff came out, the first thing i looked at was our schedule. I knew right away, we weren't top three material, because i knew we weren't going thru last season undefeated or w/one loss. Not to say i thought we'd end up 5-6, but i thought games at UF, at LSU, at Bama and at ND would and UGA at home would catch up to us some time....though, the ND game didn't scare me at all in pre season...but as the season wore on, that game all the sudden took on a new life. Same with Bama.

i really thought we'd lose to UF or LSU and to UGA...and finish 9-2. and finish 2nd in the East. The schedule last year was just brutal, which is one reason why i thought it was odd so many, including CPF, were talking us up so higly in pre season, cause if you go back and check, UGA, LSU and UF were getting plenty of pub too....so it was like if you asked an "expert" who he thought would win the SEC, they'd rattler off TN, UGA, LSU, UF as all being favorites to do so....when you have that kind of parody at the top (hindsight being what it is) supposedly, someone is going to get the short end of the stick and fall short of expectations.

it'll be interesting to see what happens this year with UF, LSU and Auburn....

 

[RealVol]

Hey, I'm VERY REAL! We had ROOKIE COACHES against UF, LSU. Ole Miss, ND an another team or so. And we still sucked...big time! As you are probably aware I'm not big in to wimpy excuses. But can't we all just say our O Staff Sucked to the Grandest Degree!

I'm really not sure "looking at the schedule" meant a damn thing in the end w a pathetically coached team. Be it in Knoxville or elsewhere.

 

[jakez4ut]

Hey, I'm VERY REAL! We had ROOKIE COACHES against UF, LSU. Ole Miss, ND an another team or so. And we still sucked...big time! As you are probably aware I'm not big in to wimpy excuses. But can't we all just say our O Staff Sucked to the Grandest Degree!

I'm really not sure "looking at the schedule" meant a damn thing in the end w a pathetically coached team. Be it in Knoxville or elsewhere.

i'm not sure what all that means? Rookie coaches?

no one ever said our offensive coaches were great...we did suck.

oh well....i'll chock this one up in the category of "miscommunicated sender error".

 

[RealVol]

Sorry for the confusion. I meant, Fulmer coached against a number of Rookie Coaches at their respective schools: ND, UF, LSU, Ole Miss, SC almost half the UT schedule.

 

[utvolpj]

Now all of a sudden he's got all the answers....right.

Improvement sure (I believe I could do as well) real change, I'm not so sure.

I would love to hear you qualify that statement. What on your resume would lead us to believe that you could come in and revive one of the top football programs in the country?

I agree that we have the right to be critical of the coaches but maybe you're taking it a little too far.