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#102
#102
(oklavol @ Mar 21 said:
How do you make a blanket statement statement like this and expect to get credibility? You think everything is so black and white, that the people who criticize Fulmer think everything about Fulmer is bad, and everyone who has said something positive about Fulmer thinks everything about him is good? There's no middle ground here? Do you have to paint everyone into a corner.

Do you really expect after a 5-6 season, to find everyone in here talking about what a great coaching job he's doing? Obviously things need to be done better and improved, even Fulmer and Cutcliffe have said as much.

Why can't you simply respect people's opinion who have a different opinion then yours, instead of expecting everyone to have the same positive outlook on the program as you do? If everyone has the same opinion what is there to discuss? Don't take this the wrong way, I just dont think its fair to complain about people opinion, simply because they don't have the same outlook as yours. :twocents:
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Okay OKIE. Then if you admit that CPF has admitted that changes need to be made and he has made many and some very big changes. Then why the incessant complaining about the changes he is making? Why not give him the opportunity to prove he is doing what is needed? And don't give me the "blanket statement" and "paint everyone in a corner" crap. Hell, how many of us on here were called sheep by the company you keep (or the camp your in which ever you prefer)? It goes both ways.
 
#104
#104
(vols3131 @ Mar 21 said:
I haven't posted on this thread one time but I just read every post from the front to the back. I found that there are some people on this board that would rather sit around and complain about Fulmer than talk about anything good that's going on with the team. All I hear is people whining and crying about last year, about Fulmer closing practices, and about how he can't recruit like Carrol and Meyer. It's almost to much to stomach. It almost pisses me off because the same people that are running CPF down now will be kissing his a$$ later on this year when things turn around. If you have such a problem with UT and CPF go support Bama or Florida. No one wants to hear your negativaty. He is the coach here for now so I say if you really love the UT football program then shut up and support the team and the coach. For those that are supporting your coach and your team without complaining then I commend you. We need more people on this board like you.
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You could replace the words "Fulmer", "coach" , and "team" with "Bush", "President", and "country" and have the same drivel that is flowing out of the White House.
 
#105
#105
(hatvol96 @ Mar 21 said:
You could replace the words "Fulmer", "coach" , and "team" with "Bush", "President", and "country" and have the same drivel that is flowing out of the White House.
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I don't agree with you're position Hat. But that right there, that's funny. :post-20645-1119625378:
 
#106
#106
i think everyone has clear lines on where they stand in this debate....but here's a few things to consider:

TN is virtually the state most devoid of in state football talent in the SEC, with the possible excepitons of maybe KY and ARK. All other states, of schools we compete direclty wiht have rich in state talent, GA, FL, SC, AL, LA, MS

UT recruits nationally in a conference that other schools do not have to. Not to say that other schools don't get national recruiting attention, but look at the rosters and compare the % of instate talet to that of out of state, and i'd bet you'd find UT at the bottom of the list. Given that, i think you still have to consider CPF's entire body of work when evaluating him. Not that there hasn't been downward trend of late, not arguing that at all. No one thinks we are where we should be including me, but i can't ignore what he has accomplished all together...

Since 1990, SEC championships are as follows:
TN:3(1 under Majors, 2 under Fulmer)
UF:6(all under Spurrier)
AL:2(1 under Stallings, 1 under Debose i think)
AU:1(under Tubberville)
GA:2(both under Richt)
LSU:2(both under Saban)

National Titles
LSU:1 (co champions with USC)
TN:1
UF:1
Bama:1

SEC Title game appearances:
UF:7 (none since 2000)
UT: 4 (1997, 1998, 2001, 2004
Bama:5 (none since 1999)
Aub: 3(1997, 2000, 2004)
UGA: 3 (none BEFORE 2002, 10 year absence)
LSU: 3 (none BEFORE 2001, 9 year absence)
ARK:1 (1995)
MSU:1(1998)

Final Polls (AP-Coaches) 1990-2005
8-7
14-15
12-12
12-11
22-18
3-2
9-9
7-8
1-1
8-9
NR-25
4-4
NR-NR
15-16
13-15
NR-NR


Now, i'd be a lot more inclined to be all over him if we weren't competitive in our league over his career, but we have been, and no one can deny that. I think we all agree that things right now are not good and improvement must be seen, but to say he should just be ousted right now, just doesn't fit when you look at the whole career. And before anyone jumps all over me, i already concede that we have not been up to par in the last 5 years or so, and 7 years w/out a championship is too long, but it's not like we haven't been there at all. and no i'm not happy with our performance lately. frankly it has stunk. and no i don't necessarily think CPF is the greatest x's and o's coach in the SEC. And let's also not forget that 5 year period from 95 thru 99 was the most successfull era in UT football history....it wasn't like that was the standard. what i see is a cycle. I also see where we have bounced back from bad years.

but when you look at this, you have to think in terms of long term sustained success, and until lately, we've had that. hopefully in a couple of years, we'll all be looking back on this as really just one bad year, and it's soon forgotten.

it just isn't ALL bad...that's all.
 
#108
#108
thanks...and putting up those numbers i can see where some one else could see something totally different....it just depends on how you want to look at it....when i look at it, that's what i see, when someone else looks at it, they'll see something else.
 
#109
#109
Not to get back on topic or anything but Chris Lowe just said we are all talking basketball because you need a court order to get any information from the football team.

So come on, let's pile on Chris Lowe now. He is a real loser for that comment. He has no idea what he is talking about. :ermm:
 
#110
#110
(vol_freak @ Mar 21 said:
Not to get back on topic or anything but Chris Lowe just said we are all talking basketball because you need a court order to get any information from the football team.

So come on, let's pile on Chris Lowe now. He is a real loser for that comment. He has no idea what he is talking about. :ermm:
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:lolabove: yeah, he sucks.
 
#111
#111
(vol_freak @ Mar 21 said:
So come on, let's pile on Chris Lowe now. He is a real loser for that comment. He has no idea what he is talking about. :ermm:
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Chris Lowe :chair: OWB
 
#113
#113
(GAVol @ Mar 21 said:
Come on Freak. We're talking about practice.
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No we aren't because we don't know anything about it. :p
 
#114
#114
(vol_freak @ Mar 21 said:
No we aren't because we don't know anything about it. :p
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Like knowing anything would change some of the posts in here?
 
#116
#116
(GAVol @ Mar 21 said:
Like knowing anything would change some of the posts in here?
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True, but it least we'd have a new topic or two.
 
#117
#117
(vol_freak @ Mar 21 said:
True, but it least we'd have a new topic or two.
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yeah, i was reading on Govolsxtra today and the only article there was about the freakin' long snapper.... :snoring:
 
#118
#118
(jakez4ut @ Mar 21 said:
yeah, i was reading on Govolsxtra today and the only article there was about the freakin' long snapper.... :snoring:
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I'm listening. :birgits_giggle:
 
#120
#120
oh, i'd stop if i were you...i know way too much now about the timing between the snap and kick.... :cry:
 
#121
#121
(VolBeef88 @ Mar 21 said:
Okay OKIE. Then if you admit that CPF has admitted that changes need to be made and he has made many and some very big changes. Then why the incessant complaining about the changes he is making? Why not give him the opportunity to prove he is doing what is needed? And don't give me the "blanket statement" and "paint everyone in a corner" crap. Hell, how many of us on here were called sheep by the company you keep (or the camp your in which ever you prefer)? It goes both ways.
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There is a gray line everyone is walking between being humorous and being insulting. Calling everyone in Fulmer's camp sheep wasn't meant to be taken seriously. I took it to be lighthearted.
 
#122
#122
(jakez4ut @ Mar 21 said:
Final Polls (AP-Coaches) 1990-2005
8-7
14-15
12-12
12-11
22-18
3-2
9-9
7-8
1-1
8-9
NR-25
4-4
NR-NR
15-16
13-15
NR-NR
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The rankings speak for themselves. Everyone I think acknowledges Fulmer did an admirable job during the late 90's. 3 of the last 6 years have been disappointing though.
 
#123
#123
(oklavol @ Mar 21 said:
The rankings speak for themselves. Everyone I think acknowledges Fulmer did an admirable job during the late 90's. 3 of the last 6 years have been disappointing though.
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While not "disappointing," 2003 wasn't exactly a rousing success. Given the personnel on hand, I'm not sure how 9-3 in '99 doesn't qualify as a disappointment.
 
#124
#124
(hatvol96 @ Mar 21 said:
While not "disappointing," 2003 wasn't exactly a rousing success. Given the personnel on hand, I'm not sure how 9-3 in '99 doesn't qualify as a disappointment.
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I agree. Getting blown out by an acc team in the citrus bowl is not my idea of how to end a season.
 
#125
#125
(hatvol96 @ Mar 21 said:
While not "disappointing," 2003 wasn't exactly a rousing success. Given the personnel on hand, I'm not sure how 9-3 in '99 doesn't qualify as a disappointment.
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Like i said before, you can look at all those numbers and seasons a number of different ways. though i would agree that 99 was disapointing, but it's hard to come off a perfect season and not have a little bit of a let down. those seasons don't happen all the time.

it would have been a better season had we won our bowl game though....and that UF game that year was just frustrating....that 4th down call with Lewis was one of the worst play calls i've ever seen.
 
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