+/- for every player

#26
#26
RollerVol said:
Don't sweat it. Vol fans around here have been a little touchy the last couple years, as I'm sure you can understand. :)
GO VOLS!
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I agree. First time in my life that UK has beaten UT in FB,BB (along with womens as well).

Dont worry vols. The streak starts again next year.
 
#27
#27
bleedingTNorange said:
so i got started looking at this in another thread and figured id do it for the whole team as SOME people may be interested in it. im going to use the roland rating in posting the +/- for each player, so i'll explain what that is.

basically you are taking the +/- of the team with player A on the court and subtracting it from the +/- of the team with player A off the court. in short this basically shows you how the team plays with each player on the court vs off the court, and tells you who is the better player for the team. so with that said here is the Roland Rating AVERAGE for each player:

Trae Golden- +4.5
Skylar Mcbee- -1.2
Josh Richardson- -2.9
Cameron Tatum- +.08
Jeronne Maymon- -1.00
Jarnell Stokes- -.13
Jordan Mcrae- +0.6
Kenny Hall- -1.5
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What you have described, and perhaps what you have done, is not the true Roland Rating but rather a simple +/-. And as somewhat representative by your results, the resulting numbers are meaningless without factoring in other considerations... e.g. who else was on the court with them when they were playing, who was on the court from the opposing team, what was the game situation when they were playing, etc.

The Roland Rating, as I understand it, goes a little further and also factors in the individual's performance, the individual's opponent's performance, along with the team's +/-. While this certainly still does not tell the whole story, it does tend to make a standard +/- rating a little more valuable.
 
#28
#28
Sorry guys for posting this thread, I found it interesting and though some on here would as well. Yes it shows we need guards, yet our best player is a guard, it says a lot more than that. One thing i took from it was McRae should be out there not tatum, as I said in my post tatum is an average -10 the last 5 games, words can't explain how bad that is.
 
#30
#30
IBlvNTmWrk said:
What you have described, and perhaps what you have done, is not the true Roland Rating but rather a simple +/-. And as somewhat representative by your results, the resulting numbers are meaningless without factoring in other considerations... e.g. who else was on the court with them when they were playing, who was on the court from the opposing team, what was the game situation when they were playing, etc.

The Roland Rating, as I understand it, goes a little further and also factors in the individual's performance, the individual's opponent's performance, along with the team's +/-. While this certainly still does not tell the whole story, it does tend to make a standard +/- rating a little more valuable.
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Accoriding to statsheet plus/minus the Roland rating is exactly what I posted player a +/- while on the courts minus teams +/- while player a is off the court. A simple +\- only shows what the player effect is while on the court. Once again sorry if that's not the way it truly is just sharing something I found.
 
#31
#31
BigPapaCat said:
I apologize because i'd rather swallow my pride than get into a useless argument where no one wins. However, i admit, i do get annoyed at UK bashing here. But it's something im learning to accept.
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You are on a UT message board.....maybe that is the problem

let us see what happens if one of us tries to go over on catspause

**Spoiler Alert** They would freak out

I think people here are more than hospitable to you all things considered
 
#32
#32
omghulkhands said:
You are on a UT message board.....maybe that is the problem

let us see what happens if one of us tries to go over on catspause

**Spoiler Alert** They would freak out

I think people here are more than hospitable to you all things considered
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Doesnt matter to me. CatsPause is retarded. But any board will biased. I try to stay out of UK threads but it's hard.
 
#33
#33
This team drives me crazy . They need to feed post more. But post needs to finish strong get contract and foul teams out
 
#36
#36
zjcvols said:
And you have a crazy hate on Trae Golden. Point?
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I don't hate on Golden, I hate on people who act like he is the best thing since sliced bread. He's the third best player on our team, who is sub .500, for goodness sake.
 
#37
#37
altidore17 said:
I don't hate on Golden, I hate on people who act like he is the best thing since sliced bread. He's the third best player on our team, who is sub .500, for goodness sakes.
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What's it matter? So a few posters like Golden and think he's going to be really good in the future, which I agree. Again, what the problem?
 
#39
#39
Goes to show exactly what everybody's eyes should have told them. While Golden has had his well-documented struggles, we're helpless on offense when he's on the bench. We have no one else who's even a mediocre distributor. Hopefully Richardson can develop some of that, because Trae can't play 40 a game (and it'd be nice to have a stronger defensive lineup that still has a ball-handler and distributor on the floor)
 
#40
#40
altidore17 said:
I don't hate on Golden, I hate on people who act like he is the best thing since sliced bread. He's the third best player on our team, who is sub .500, for goodness sake.
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And yet, when he goes out of the game we look like warmed over sh*t.

You've tried to make your point countless times. I think we get it. We also get the fact that most rational people know that Golden is the best we have at the point guard position and there is no sense in bi*ching about something that isn't going to change at least until next year.
 
#42
#42
Don't need a Roland to tell me that Golden needs to tie the offense together and put passing first over scoring. When he stays focused on it he is doing really well. He should create offense when needed in the last 10 seconds of the clock. He should not be under the basket for offensive rebounds as he was on several occasions yesterday. He should not be driving and attempting to shoot over or make layups against the bigs of the other team as he has all year. He should not be jumping in the air and attempting to pass the ball off balance because he has learned after the fact that a big is going to cram the ball down his throat. He should not play matador defense against the guards of the other team - he should move his feet, crowd the opponent with his head in his chest. All things he has not done well much of the season, which resulted in him sitting to start yesterday's game. He is too talented and in too good of physical condition to be that inconsistent. He has to stop making the same mistakes over and over again. Had he truly learned that lesson they would not have lost 3-5 games this season. Hopefully he will now start to learn it because the team and the program need him to play well.

Don't need a Roland to tell me that McRae needs to play more than Tatum and Richardson. McRae is a liability on D, but has improved a bunch at it. McRae more than offsets it with being creative on offense. That takes the pressure off Golden and Maymon. It allows Golden to slide into his comfort zone at SG where he is more effective. Golden gets better as McRae creates more offense. McRae could develop into a good point forward - he can play from any spot on the floor.

Tatum should sub in when they need more D and rebounds from the #3. Richardson and McBee should be the same way - one is more D and the other more O. I still think Washpun needs to spell Golden with McBee helping. My bigs would be Stokes, Maymon, Hall and Yemi. The rest would only see the floor in a blowout.

BigPapaCat - glad you are on here. Like your take on things. UK took it to us this year in football and basketball - congrats. Don't count on it staying that way though.
 
#43
#43
McRae can do things on offense that no one else on our team can do, but he's nearly as inconsistent as Tatum and is prone to bad shots and ugly turnovers while trying to do too much. He gets some consistency, and he'll get more playing time.
 
#44
#44
altidore17 said:
I don't hate on Golden, I hate on people who act like he is the best thing since sliced bread. He's the third best player on our team, who is sub .500, for goodness sake.
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He's the best PG Tennessee has ha sine cj Watson. FACT!

His numbers are almost identical to cj Watsons senior year. FACT!

He is our best player. FACT!

Who is better maymon, and stokes? Not even close. They have the potential to be but consistently as these numbers show golden is the best player we have, the most important player we have and the most consistent player we have. FACT!
 
#45
#45
Vols4us said:
BigPapaCat - glad you are on here. Like your take on things. UK took it to us this year in football and basketball - congrats. Don't count on it staying that way though.
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Thanks. And yes, the streak will revive.
 
#46
#46
bleedingTNorange said:
He's the best PG Tennessee has ha sine cj Watson. FACT!

He is our best player. FACT!
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The first one is debatable, but we've already had the Bobby Maze discussion. I'd still take senior Maze over sophomore Golden, and it wouldn't be a hard choice.

The second one is just insane. He has the worst backup. That doesn't make him the best player. FACT!

Also, calling Golden consistent is insane. FACT!
 
#47
#47
Incipient said:
The first one is debatable, but we've already had the Bobby Maze discussion. I'd still take senior Maze over sophomore Golden, and it wouldn't be a hard choice.

The second one is just insane. He has the worst backup. That doesn't make him the best player. FACT!

Also, calling Golden consistent is insane. FACT!
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Who is better? I'm not talking talent who is better for our team, and who has been more consistent?
 
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