For the RPI guys on the board, what does this do for us!?

[zansdad]

You sure about that?

We'd get a neutral win, but it would ding our SOS

Not any more than it did when we played them a week ago (dropped 6 spots). UT's SOS would still be plenty high enough. Having said that, I think playing SoCar doesn't help that much overall. UT has to get on people's radars to get consideration by the committee. Beating a crappy SoCar team doesn't do that. Beating A 6 seed Miss St, as an example, might. ( just talking potential first game match ups here).

 

[OCIVol]

The committee does consider KenPom's rankings. If we beat Vandy, not only must we win 2 games in the SEC tourney, but we also must beat at least one out of UK, UF, Vandy, or Bama.
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[zansdad]

The committee does consider KenPom's rankings. If we beat Vandy, not only must we win 2 games in the SEC tourney, but we also must beat at least one out of UK, UF, Vandy, or Bama.
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Link for that? I have never seen anywhere where kenpom's rankings are discussed by the committee.

 

[OCIVol]

Link for that? I have never seen anywhere where kenpom's rankings are discussed by the committee.

I'll try to find a link but Lunardi discussed it in one of his posts on ESPN when discussing the Committee's exclusive reliance on the RPI. Someone from the Committee or NCAA responded by saying the Committee considers various rankings, and KenPom was listed.
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[zansdad]

I'll try to find a link but Lunardi discussed it in one of his posts on ESPN when discussing the Committee's exclusive reliance on the RPI. Someone from the Committee or NCAA responded by saying the Committee considers various rankings, and KenPom was listed.
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That's good to hear I guess. Kenpom is pretty well respected and the more info the committee has the better.

 

[OCIVol]

That's good to hear I guess. Kenpom is pretty well respected and the more info the committee has the better.

The Stokes situation is also unprecedented. With him being an early enrollee, we are clearly a different team with him. Our resume with Stokes is NCAA-tourney worthy.
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[golfballs]

The Stokes situation is also unprecedented. With him being an early enrollee, we are clearly a different team with him. Our resume with Stokes is NCAA-tourney worthy.
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According to Dan Wolken, it is a commonplace occurence

 

[calban]

I'll try to find a link but Lunardi discussed it in one of his posts on ESPN when discussing the Committee's exclusive reliance on the RPI. Someone from the Committee or NCAA responded by saying the Committee considers various rankings, and KenPom was listed.
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I read that also but can't remember where.
Also read that BPI could be considered for the first time this year.
Yeah. I'll look for it.
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Okay. they're allowed but not endorsed by the NCAA.
Here's a very good read on the process.

RPI still hovers over, cloaks selection process - CBSSports.com

 

[Rudy123]

Any road win makes the RPI go up some. If we would've won at Bama we would be sitting pretty good right now.

We still got a lot of work to do.

I think with our win over LSU tonight, we can finish no lower than 5th in the SEC. If we finish tied with LSU at #6, I'd think the head to head win is the tiebreaker but not for sure anymore without the divisions.

Had we beaten (1) Memphis in Hawaii (2) Beaten Austin Peay (3) Beaten UGA in overtime (4) Beaten College of Charleston (5) Beaten U K, rather than a 2 point loss, we would be in good shape......

 

[zansdad]

According to Dan Wolken, it is a commonplace occurence

I need some learnin'. Who's Dan Wolken?

 

[Incipient]

I need some learnin'. Who's Dan Wolken?

Memphis sportswriter who has come out and said that UT could sneak on to the bubble by winning out until next Sunday. And that we can't get onto the bubble with less because getting a guy like Stokes midseason happens all the time, and it won't make much difference.

 

[zansdad]

Memphis sportswriter who has come out and said that UT could sneak on to the bubble by winning out until next Sunday. And that we can't get onto the bubble with less because getting a guy like Stokes midseason happens all the time, and it won't make much difference.

I think I may have heard him on Sports Talk 180 once. If that was him, he seemed reasonable enough then.

 

[Catbone]

Had we beaten (1) Memphis in Hawaii (2) Beaten Austin Peay (3) Beaten UGA in overtime (4) Beaten College of Charleston (5) Beaten U K, rather than a 2 point loss, we would be in good shape......

Dont forget Oakland

 

[Cro]

I'll try to find a link but Lunardi discussed it in one of his posts on ESPN when discussing the Committee's exclusive reliance on the RPI. Someone from the Committee or NCAA responded by saying the Committee considers various rankings, and KenPom was listed.
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The committee considers a variety of options. KenPom is not on the Nitty Gritty report they use, but if a committee member asks to have KenPom brought up, they will do it.

Another small thing to consider is that KenPom counts the 26 point road win over Chaminade, while the RPI does not. Changes the Vols scoring margin by a full point.

 

[OrangeBalls]

I need some learnin'. Who's Dan Wolken?

He's a Candy grad that used to be the Tiger High beat writer. Now he works at The Daily.

I'd take what he says with a grain of salt. He usually has an anti-UT agenda.

 

[tennrich1]

Memphis sportswriter who has come out and said that UT could sneak on to the bubble by winning out until next Sunday. And that we can't get onto the bubble with less because getting a guy like Stokes midseason happens all the time, and it won't make much difference.

If Dan said that about Stokes he was obviously misquoted or extremely drunk....But he is usually openly against UT(now I'm not conspiracy theorist)...he just is....Throw he, Easterwood, and Parrish onto the same boat....Just say stuff that makes no sense quite often...so I wouldnt listen to a lot of that type talk from Memphis area...

 

[Incipient]

If Dan said that about Stokes he was obviously misquoted or extremely drunk....But he is usually openly against UT(now I'm not conspiracy theorist)...he just is....Throw he, Easterwood, and Parrish onto the same boat....Just say stuff that makes no sense quite often...so I wouldnt listen to a lot of that type talk from Memphis area...

I like Parrish. He knows his stuff, interacts well with readers, and usually pays more attention to Tennessee than most national guys (and I haven't noticed it being particularly negative).

 

[OrangeBalls]

I like Parrish. He knows his stuff, interacts well with readers, and usually pays more attention to Tennessee than most national guys (and I haven't noticed it being particularly negative).

Agreed on Parrish. He doesn't have an agenda like Wolken. Wolken is a douche.

 

[zansdad]

I'll stick with 15+ and if I'm right I'll show you my algorithm on Saturday.

Rpiforcast finally updated. Showing 75.7 for a win against Vandy. That agrees with my math. I hope it's wrong because I would love to see UT get into the 60's on Saturday but mathematically I just don't think it's in the cards.

However, I will say that some of his projections for results with Conf Tourney are a little puzzling. For example, losing to Vandy at home (1.4 in the loss column) would drop UT back 13 place to 94 RPI. However if they went into the tourney after that a first round loss (1.0 in the loss column) would drop them almost 16 more places to 110 That math seems a bit suspect.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

With all do respect Zans...

We will not only jump 6 spots with a win vs vandy. I would bet anything on it.

It will be atleast 10.

 

[zansdad]

With all do respect Zans...

We will not only jump 6 spots with a win vs vandy. I would bet anything on it.

It will be atleast 10.

I'm not a betting guy so I won't take you up on that. But, on what math are you basing that prediction? You see, I actually worked out the math. Just like I did for the last two games. I was within 1or 2 the last 2 games. Since the math shouldn't change, I should be fairly close again. And I keep getting somewhere around 75. Again, hopefully we will know for sure Saturday night.

 

[calban]

I'm not a betting guy so I won't take you up on that. But, on what math are you basing that prediction? You see, I actually worked out the math. Just like I did for the last two games. I was within 1or 2 the last 2 games. Since the math shouldn't change, I should be fairly close again. And I keep getting somewhere around 75. Again, hopefully we will know for sure Saturday night.

I don't doubt your calculations ,but you do realize you're working on a static database.
Your calculations can't factor in the fluctuation of the board caused by activity of other teams.
Of course that could hurt us or help us.
I'm watching 2 teams tonight Illinois and colorado. They both play tonight and Saturday and both will likely lose 2 games. 75 and 76 rpi on one board.
Be interesting to see how it affects us.

 

[zansdad]

I don't doubt your calculations ,but you do realize you're working on a static database.
Your calculations can't factor in the fluctuation of the board caused by activity of other teams.
Of course that could hurt us or help us.
I'm watching 2 teams tonight Illinois and colorado. They both play tonight and Saturday and both will likely lose 2 games. 75 and 76 rpi on one board.
Be interesting to see how it affects us.

It's worked so far. At this point in the season there aren't going to be wild swings of the whole system. Yes a team here or there can have a decent jump but not a majority of them. I would be interested to see what UTs rankings would be if you compared its RPI to past years. Meaning what would UTs 0.5557 RPI have ranked last year and for some of the preceding years.

 

[calban]

It's worked so far. At this point in the season there aren't going to be wild swings of the whole system. Yes a team here or there can have a decent jump but not a majority of them. I would be interested to see what UTs rankings would be if you compared its RPI to past years. Meaning what would UTs 0.5557 RPI have ranked last year and for some of the preceding years.

You can go back to previous seasons on the nitty gritty board.

The Nitty Gritty Report for 2011-2012 NCAA Men's College Basketball - WarrenNolan.com

 

[zansdad]

It's worked so far. At this point in the season there aren't going to be wild swings of the whole system. Yes a team here or there can have a decent jump but not a majority of them. I would be interested to see what UTs rankings would be if you compared its RPI to past years. Meaning what would UTs 0.5557 RPI have ranked last year and for some of the preceding years.

Okay I got bored and looked it up. With UT's current RPI of 0.5557 they would have finished 75, 77, 68, 77, 79, and 79 starting with the 2005-2006 season( the first to use the 1.4/0.6/1.0 model) through 2010-2011 season. This tells me (with an admitted small sample size) that one can reasonable predict a range of RPI standings for a given score at a given point in the season. This though it is a moving target, it doesn't move as much as one might think.