For TN to get to elite status !

[terrypedigo]

How's that? Wet paper bag wins in the ACC.

Honestly I was surprised when I witnessed Dabo could hold on a conversation without yelling 'yeehaw' or drooling. he's still not
impressive but he sure has some coaches around him.

That's the only team in the ACC.

He is a lot smarter than you think, he won't you to think that way where he can play the underdog role remember little old Clemson, like when Nick hangs it up no way he goes to bama and follow Nick, he has it made in the ACC you just wait on the PLAYOFF'S each year, just use the season to get ready and most of the time they are not banged up from playing there schedule.

 

[terrypedigo]

I really think if coach JP is given time we will be back competing for the SEC and bigger things, first we got to win 9 and 10 games for 2 seasons, then the elite will come, all weekend in the draft all you heard was bama LSU and the dawgs, and when these 17 and 18 year old kids hear this, where you think they are going.

 

[NorthCackVol]

UNC is starting up a machine that is investing into football like it never has before and it is going to make our recruiting A LOT harder in NC where we used to have a lot of success. If you don't hate UNC, it'll be interesting to see how far Mack can take them but recognize that it is happening very, very quickly.

Y'all thought I was kidding. I love what JP is doing right now but I wasn't kidding when I said UNC is trying to build something in football like they never have before and they have the resources and talent to do it.

UNC Football Receives Record Financial Gift

 

[Devo182]

Y'all thought I was kidding. I love what JP is doing right now but I wasn't kidding when I said UNC is trying to build something in football like they never have before and they have the resources and talent to do it.

UNC Football Receives Record Financial Gift

Literally all they have to do is be better than Va Tech and NC St. Every ACC school north of Va Tech will never invest in football. It's possible, but dollars will always go to bball first and Mack is an anomaly.

Oh and they cheat

 

[NorthCackVol]

Literally all they have to do is be better than Va Tech and NC St.

That's the point! That's not something to beat our chests about because it makes the UNC job that much easier and when they win, they recruit the sh*t out of NC and we don't. Who cares if it's easy, if you win and you put kids in the league, good for you, not for us.

I'd have probably taken a little easier route than the misery of being a revolving door of coaches like Kiffin, Dooley and Butch over the last decade.

 

[MarcoVol]

That's the point! That's not something to beat our chests about because it makes the UNC job that much easier and when they win, they recruit the sh*t out of NC and we don't. Who cares if it's easy, if you win and you put kids in the league, good for you, not for us.

I'd have probably taken a little easier route than the misery of being a revolving door of coaches like Kiffin, Dooley and Butch over the last decade.

They’re recruiting the shite out of NC right now and Idk if you’ve been paying attention, but we seem to be doing just fine...

 

[NorthCackVol]

but dollars will always go to bball first and Mack is an anomaly.

That single $25m gift was earmarked for football on the heels (pun intended) of them spending nearly $100m in the last year on paying their assistants top 15 money, building a new practice complex and renovating their football center.

Maybe I'm just showing my age in knowing the exact formula of how Mack built a top 5 program at UNC his first time around and I'm seeing it happen again, step for step, right in front of my eyes except at warp speed when compared to how slow it was his first time. Most of you have no clue because you aren't old enough but in those last couple years at UNC he was step for step with the best programs in the nation including us and had it not been for Bobby Bowden and his best FSU years, Mack would have had UNC playing for a national championship in football. Not only that but he was on the forefront of building football only facilities and when UNC opened up the Kenan Football Center in the 90's, it was regarded as the most state of the art in the nation, so much so, that coaches and athletic directors from across the country (Tennessee included) went to tour it. Look, I'm tired of man-crushing over UNC football but anyone who thinks Mack isn't building something by a time tested blueprint, are in for an awakening for as long as Mack has left.

 

[NorthCackVol]

They’re recruiting the shite out of NC right now and Idk if you’ve been paying attention, but we seem to be doing just fine...

I never said we weren't. I said as long as he's doing well in NC, we'd have to work that much harder because NC has always been an area we've done very well in and that's loaded with talent right next door. It doesn't make either argument wrong, I'm just glad it's working right now. If FSU or Miami ever get their shite together, we might not be having the successes in the areas we're having now so it's worked out to our favor. Recruiting is fluid, let's just hope we stay in front.

 

[jakez4ut]

That single $25m gift was earmarked for football on the heels (pun intended) of them spending nearly $100m in the last year on paying their assistants top 15 money, building a new practice complex and renovating their football center.

Maybe I'm just showing my age in knowing the exact formula of how Mack built a top 5 program at UNC his first time around and I'm seeing it happen again, step for step, right in front of my eyes except at warp speed when compared to how slow it was his first time. Most of you have no clue because you aren't old enough but in those last couple years at UNC he was step for step with the best programs in the nation including us and had it not been for Bobby Bowden and his best FSU years, Mack would have had UNC playing for a national championship in football. Not only that but he was on the forefront of building football only facilities and when UNC opened up the Kenan Football Center in the 90's, it was regarded as the most state of the art in the nation, so much so, that coaches and athletic directors from across the country (Tennessee included) went to tour it. Look, I'm tired of man-crushing over UNC football but anyone who thinks Mack isn't building something by a time tested blueprint, are in for an awakening for as long as Mack has left.

i tend to agree with most all this. i remember when he had UNC rolling.

i didn't know all those details.
i mean i get why he left for TX. football first type thing.

but it sounds like UNC was at hte point of investment with football, then Mack left, and UNC went back to what it's always been.

there's no reason to think that won't be the case when mack leaves this time too.

but for now, yeah....UNC is doing well. but i thinki would have been surprised had he not...i knew he'd be able to recruit there.


anyway, i didn't underestimate his return to UNC. but i don't over estimate it's long term affects either. wht's happening there has a shelf life. much like hwat we're doing in basketball with Barnes.

the difference will be what either program does when the coach ultimately retires.....do you pony up to keep it going.....? or are you just gonna fade back in to what you were?

i'm sure there's plenty of people that dont' think what we're doing in basketball is sustainable either.

so we'll see.

 

[NorthCackVol]

i tend to agree with most all this. i remember when he had UNC rolling.

i didn't know all those details.
i mean i get why he left for TX. football first type thing.

but it sounds like UNC was at hte point of investment with football, then Mack left, and UNC went back to what it's always been.

there's no reason to think that won't be the case when mack leaves this time too.

but for now, yeah....UNC is doing well. but i thinki would have been surprised had he not...i knew he'd be able to recruit there.


anyway, i didn't underestimate his return to UNC. but i don't over estimate it's long term affects either. wht's happening there has a shelf life. much like hwat we're doing in basketball with Barnes.

the difference will be what either program does when the coach ultimately retires.....do you pony up to keep it going.....? or are you just gonna fade back in to what you were?

i'm sure there's plenty of people that dont' think what we're doing in basketball is sustainable either.

so we'll see.

Agreed, in a few years we'll find out how much UNC learned from it's past. Mack had them on the cusp in the 90's and they fumbled the next hire. He'll leave them with a loaded roster, tons of $$ and great facilities but it'll be the next hire that makes or breaks UNC football for the future.

 

[ChattaTNVol]

The so-called 5-stars, which I want a lot of too, are the rating services predictions of who will be a 1st round draft pick in that class. That’s what they say. I saw a 5-year study by Elevens Warriors which revealed Rivals as the best at making that prediction, ESPN and 247 were close behind, and at the time Scout was in last place. The point is, the service doing it the best, rivals, was only right 20% of the time. Nobody else did that good.

When we say we want 5-stars we can’t fall into the trap of letting the services be the identifiers for those 5-stars (a.k.a., first round draft picks) because that’s what we want, first round draft picks, and we want a lot or at least maybe 2-3 or so in every class, if possible. Mississippi State, in the 2019 draft held in Nashville, had 3 guys picked in the 1st round from their nationally ranked #1 defense. One was a 5-star and the other two were Juco 3-stars. The top WR from LSU’s run this past year was a 2-star who went in the 1st round. Burrow was by composite a low 4-star and rivals had him as a mid 3-star yet he went #1 overall in the draft.

Derek Barnett was our last 1st round draft pick and he was a low 4-star. We’ve had Malone, McKenzie, Phillips, and maybe another or so, but they didn’t turn out to be 1st round draft picks. In fact, 80% of 5-stars are not 1st round draft picks. The recruiting services get that wrong that often. The blue-chip ratio is a bit better. The blue-chip ratio measures the percentage of your roster that is made up of 4 and 5 stars and the target is 50% or higher. So while 80% of 5-stars don’t make the 1st round, 60% do get drafted somewhere in the 7 rounds. 25% of 4-stars get drafted. So that’s around 20 5-stars per year that get drafted at all and around 80 4-stars. The rest are 3-stars, 2-stars, and not-ranked, and there’s around 150 of this group of non-blue chip players in that group.

To be successful we first need to have good coaches, good talent evaluators (hopefully better than the services), good recruiters, good developers, and good game managers. Then we need to build a top flight offense, defense, and special teams unit. Mississippi State’s #1 ranked defense went to waste in 2018 because their offense sucked. That defense though, with a new coordinator, Bob Shoop, was incredible.

Henry To’o To’o wasn’t identified by the recruiting services as a 5-star but if he performs well in the upcoming seasons I think he has a good shot at being a 1st round draft pick. Trey Smith may be hindered by his medical issue but he’s always had 1st round potential and of course he was a 5-star. He would have been, and maybe still will be, one of the 20%. jmo.

Don’t get me wrong. I like the idea of getting a lot of 5-stars because I want to win the recruiting rankings but I’d rather have some 1st round draft picks and a lot of subsequent round draft picks, and in this matter, all the evidence suggests we’ll probably be a lot better off if we trust Pruitt and his staff to identify those guys instead of putting our faith in Rivals, ESPN, or 247. jmo.