Former D-Line coach Ed O to.......

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In Rudolph, there is an island where messed up toys live.


Alabama is starting to look like this place for guys that can't cut it as head coaches.
 
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VolFootballlover said:
Say what you will , but that is a pretty nice staff! if it happens. Kiff gave Bama all they wanted with walk on linemen ...
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Nice cherry pick.

Let me give it try:
Kiff gave Washington State all they could handle with his USC team loaded with 5* talent.
(USC 7 Washington State 10)
 
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crusse10 said:
You look at his history, though, and you know it's a good hire.

The only way someone looks at this and thinks it's bad is if he wants it to be bad.

Take, for instance, Wade Phillips. His last year as Dallas' head coach, their defense allowed 27.3 PPG, which is good for 31 out of 32 teams. He was hired the following year as defensive coordinator for Houston. They allowed 17.4 PPG, 4th best in the NFL.

Before going to Dallas, he was the DC at San Diego, where his team allowed 18.9 (7th best). His 4 years as head coach for Dallas, the D averaged 21.5.

All this to say that you can't judge a coach's ability as a coordinator off his ability as a head coach.

Apples to Oranges.
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Wade Phillips' defensive stats make a great case for Kiffin.
 
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Saban cheats some how some way. So adding eddie o and kiddy putten will make it harder for him to cheat.
 
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Yankee_Vol said:
Saban isn't stupid
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A month ago, I would have agreed. Now, I'm beginning to question. Has nothing to do with Kiffin's or Ogre's coaching ability, both can coach, but their character is toxic. Why invite that poison into your system?
 
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keckjm said:
You guys crack me up. Do you think Saban is going to let these guys run around like buffoons and cheat under him? Kiffin and Ed can recruit as good as anyone in the country. Ed is widely known as one of the best D-line coaches in country, and Kiffin can develop QBs and call a decent offensive game. If Bama couldn't already get any player they wanted, they sure will be able to now. This isn't going to tank Bama, this will put them back on top. Saban saw a change was needed, and Kiffin and Ed will give Bama top recruiters who are very good as position coaches/coordinators.
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Last I checked Alabama don't need help with recruiting
 
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Let's paint a picture:

Alabama Crimson Tide - A storied program currently riding high in the NCAA competing year in and year out for NCs. But part of that story involves a problem with boosters getting them in hot water and put on probation.

Lane Kiffin - A good offensive-minded coach but has questionable ethics when it comes to recruiting. He was at USC for the Reggie Bush debacle, and UT fans are well aware of "hostess-gate" and other questionable tactics he used while here. This is a guy that Slive abhors, and that the NCAA dreams of catching with his hand in the cookie jar.

Ed Orgeron - A great defensive line coach. Guy has coached some really good players. He was also with Miami in the Uncle Luke days, with USC for the Bush saga, had some interesting stories(nothing concrete that I'm aware of) pop up from his tenure at Ole Miss, and again, was here with Kiffin for the troubles that staff brought us.

If Saban plans to keep them off the recruiting trail, excellent hires. And since, as people are proclaiming, Bama can cherry pick the guys they want, then there's no reason for these guys to interact with recruits off-campus. But if Saban plans on sending these guys into the living rooms of recruits, I don't get it. It's like serpent handling. Don't be surprised when your ass gets bit and you get poisoned.
 
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Tuscaloosa is about to become the new hq for the NCAA. It should be interesting. Both the NCAA and the SEC would love to kick Kiffin and Ogre in the nuts.
 
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volmoon said:
Wade Phillips' defensive stats make a great case for Kiffin.
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Simply showing that there's no correlation between success as a coordinator and success as a head coach. Would you prefer showing the offense his 2 years as co-coordinator for USC? Those are pretty solid.
 
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"Breaking Bad" in Tuscaloosa?
Walter White=Nick Saban
Jessie=Lane Kiffin
Gus=Ed Ogeron
(Film at 11)
 
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orangeluvr said:
No one is debating that, those world class sleaze bags have a"checkered" past. You can bet 'LIL lame was all over himself apologizing to "LIL nicky for all the bad things he said about bammer while at UT. So the douche is a hypocrite too. :yes:
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I don't think that's true. Lane was a thorn in Urban's side with the hasty remarks he made. He didn't go after Saban much if at all. Indeed stated Fla had the better players but Bama had the better coaches.

The Lane-Orgeron team will be a recruiting nightmare for SEC coaches seeking quality players, I doubt not. As position coaches they're darn good. Saban will control the loose cannon tendencies of these two, count on it.

I think what actually happened was Saban being smart as he is, realized that CBJ and Company are a heck of recruiting team. That it was only a matter of time before Tennessee returnd with a vengeance if they didn't watch out. So he's rolling the dice and getting these two characteristically questionable but otherwise very effective dynamos. It's a bold move that will either maintain the perennial power of Bama or blow up in its face. With Saban holding tight reigns to his wild horses, it will more likely maintain Bama's power.

On the other hand, if Butch Incorporated proves to be so successful in recruiting that not even Saban's wild horse can't dilute the effect, it's going to be mainly a Bama-Tenn. taking turns being the SEC champ thing.
 
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VolFootballlover said:
Say what you will , but that is a pretty nice staff! if it happens. Kiff gave Bama all they wanted with walk on linemen ...
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I remember a few recruits stating after the fact they would not even consider TN as long as Kiffin was here. I wonder if future recruits will say the same since he's at Bama now.
 
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HollowaytoSeivers said:
You can add, oh, about 99% of Vol Nation to that particular nut-kicking festival.
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Meh, I'm not even trying to hate on Kiffin and Ogre. They've come and gone and we're still rebounding. Let them take their disease elsewhere.

I'm just giving my honest take on the hire(s). Trouble has followed both, and Bama fans should realize this. They may think they're giving UT a big "screw you", but honestly, they're more likely to hurt themselves. They've whipped us how many years in a row now? Hiring a couple of our old coaches isn't going to stir me up anymore than losing on the field. They've already been handing us our lunch. But whatever, they're playing with fire, and when they get burned and put back on probation, it'll give us a chance to rebound quicker.
 
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Fijivol72 said:
Obviously Saban thought TN had put together a pretty good staff. Let me say Kiffin and Orgeron damn well can recruit and they aren't bad at what they coach. Frankly Monte was what held these guys back, great coach who lost his edge and couldn't keep up.
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IMO
They both are backstabbing p.o.s.
Orgoooo cut Kiffin to get job and got caught
Now they will cut satans throat
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
I don't think that's true. Lane was a thorn in Urban's side with the hasty remarks he made. He didn't go after Saban much if at all. Indeed stated Fla had the better players but Bama had the better coaches.

The Lane-Orgeron team will be a recruiting nightmare for SEC coaches seeking quality players, I doubt not. As position coaches they're darn good. Saban will control the loose cannon tendencies of these two, count on it.

I think what actually happened was Saban being smart as he is, realized that CBJ and Company are a heck of recruiting team. That it was only a matter of time before Tennessee returnd with a vengeance if they didn't watch out. So he's rolling the dice and getting these two characteristically questionable but otherwise very effective dynamos. It's a bold move that will either maintain the perennial power of Bama or blow up in its face. With Saban holding tight reigns to his wild horses, it will more likely maintain Bama's power.

On the other hand, if Butch Incorporated proves to be so successful in recruiting that not even Saban's wild horse can't dilute the effect, it's going to be mainly a Bama-Tenn. taking turns being the SEC champ thing.
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I think Saban honestly believes he can control them. I also think he's absolutely wrong.
 
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Weezer said:
I think Saban honestly believes he can control them. I also think he's absolutely wrong.
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You may be right. However, Saban isn't exactly Mr. Nice Guy, even when you didn't pez him off. He a cold calculating sumbich according to some who have worked or played for him. If his two new guys tick him off, I think they will be gone so fast their shoes and drawers will arrive in Canada with them two hours after Lane and Ed havewith them two hours after Lane and Ed have gotten there..
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
You may be right. However, Saban isn't exactly Mr. Nice Guy, even when you didn't pez him off. He a cold calculating sumbich according to some who have worked or played for him. If his two new guys tick him off, I think they will be gone so fast their shoes and drawers will arrive in Canada with them two hours after Lane and Ed have left Alabama.
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The problem is he can't be with them 24/7 to hold their hands. It's those alone times where they'll do those things that bring Saban's empire to its knees. The risk/reward benefit here just does not compute for me. If I were Saban, I wouldn't let these guys anywhere near my program. They're great at what they do on the field, but what they do off the field makes them too much of a risk IMO.
 
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Weezer said:
The problem is he can't be with them 24/7 to hold their hands. It's those alone times where they'll do those things that bring Saban's empire to its knees. The risk/reward benefit here just does not compute for me. If I were Saban, I wouldn't let these guys anywhere near my program. They're great at what they do on the field, but what they do off the field makes them too much of a risk IMO.
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I have to agree with a lot of what you said. Still, Saban isn't stupid. If these guys even almost think about doing something the devil will object to, they're gone. Saban has Paterno type authority at BAMA. He's judge, jury, and executor. I'd say these two will be made to understand that you just don't phook with the Tuscaloosa Zohan.
 
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Fijivol72 said:
Obviously Saban thought TN had put together a pretty good staff. Let me say Kiffin and Orgeron damn well can recruit and they aren't bad at what they coach. Frankly Monte was what held these guys back, great coach who lost his edge and couldn't keep up.
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Getting rid of Monte didn't really do much to help them at USC. From what I could tell, it was getting rid of LK that finally did the trick.
 
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keckjm said:
You guys crack me up. Do you think Saban is going to let these guys run around like buffoons and cheat under him? Kiffin and Ed can recruit as good as anyone in the country. Ed is widely known as one of the best D-line coaches in country, and Kiffin can develop QBs and call a decent offensive game. If Bama couldn't already get any player they wanted, they sure will be able to now. This isn't going to tank Bama, this will put them back on top. Saban saw a change was needed, and Kiffin and Ed will give Bama top recruiters who are very good as position coaches/coordinators.
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lol I dont think it is gonna tank or destroy ua
but I dont think that saban can be with them 24/7 and thay ol Kiffy will do whatever it takes to win an get a HC gig so why would he not cheat?
 
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Imagine how Volnation would blow up if Saban could land Manning on his coaching staff.
 
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