Former Pearl Assistants struggling (split)

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Muschump said:
Especially since it's the assistants fault for lying in the first place. If the first guy would've said, "yea man, that's BPs house," they'd all still be employed.
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I'm beginning to think panic must have set in and these guys never thought it through. If whoever was up first said he wasn't sure where the picture was taken, he probably could have gotten away with it. Reports are it was a blurry photo so I find it hard to believe the NCAA could prove he was lying. The fact that everyone of them didn't recognize where the picture was taken is the problem, especially since Shay's wife is in the picture.
 
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LawVol13 said:
I'm almost sure that the 3rd highest paid staff factors in Pearl's salary; if not, I'll gladly admit I'm wrong. As to #1, Hubbs had inside info from that night that mentioned absolutely nothing about Pearl "fighting" for his assistants. Instead, he only fought for himself.
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Why would UT give 3 fired assts severance pay then? That usually doesn't happen. That is the main reason I believe he got it for them. I'm sure he was in there going to bat for himself and they gave something to the assts that wouldn't get anything under normal circumstances.
 
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Weezer said:
I'm beginning to think panic must have set in and these guys never thought it through. If whoever was up first said he wasn't sure where the picture was taken, he probably could have gotten away with it. Reports are it was a blurry photo so I find it hard to believe the NCAA could prove he was lying. The fact that everyone of them didn't recognize where the picture was taken is the problem, especially since Shay's wife is in the picture.
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None of the assistants ever admitting knowing it was Pearls house, even in the second interviews after Pearl came clean.
 
#304
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Weezer said:
I'm beginning to think panic must have set in and these guys never thought it through. If whoever was up first said he wasn't sure where the picture was taken, he probably could have gotten away with it. Reports are it was a blurry photo so I find it hard to believe the NCAA could prove he was lying. The fact that everyone of them didn't recognize where the picture was taken is the problem, especially since Shay's wife is in the picture.
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Essentially I mean guy number two could have been forthcoming and still have saved their bacon. Didn't they supposedly(illegaly) discuss things between interviews? If they had put a little more thought into it, they could have kept the house from burning down.
 
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None of the assistants, who were questioned extensively about how many times they'd been to Pearl's home in the past, were as blunt or forgiving as Pearl in their follow-up interviews.

Jones was asked if he, at the time of his initial interview, "recognized the surroundings of the photo."

"I couldn't," Jones said. "I couldn't look at this picture and tell you that this was over at coach Pearl's house. There's no way in the world that I could say beyond a reasonable — I'm 100 percent sure this picture was taken over at his house. I couldn't do that."

Shay, after notifying investigators that he initially recognized his wife in the photo, was asked why he didn't provide them with that bit of information.

"It wasn't asked of me," he said.

Like Jones, Forbes said that he felt he was originally honest with the investigators because he couldn't "100 percent" tell the photo was snapped at Pearl's home.

"I'm pretty sure I said in there you know how many pictures I've seen him Photoshopped in in the last three or four years, five years I've been here?" Forbes asked.

"No," Thompson said, "I don't."

"A lot," Forbes said. "I mean, I see him on a boat with his family, and then next time I see it the kids are cropped out and there's three girls with bikinis on."
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OrangeBalls said:
Why would UT give 3 fired assts severance pay then? That usually doesn't happen.
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Sure it does. All assistant coaches have buyout clauses. And, since they decided to give Pearl an undeserved buyout, I'm sure the same reason was used to give the assistants one. It would make no sense to give the assistants absolutely nothing and pay the HC $1,000,000.
 
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Muschump said:
None of the assistants ever admitting knowing it was Pearls house, even in the second interviews after Pearl came clean.
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Wow, I missed that part of the story at some point. Did Pearl not tell them he was going to come clean or were they just hoping the NCAA would buy their story that they really didn't know where the picture was taken?
 
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Weezer said:
I'm beginning to think panic must have set in and these guys never thought it through. If whoever was up first said he wasn't sure where the picture was taken, he probably could have gotten away with it. Reports are it was a blurry photo so I find it hard to believe the NCAA could prove he was lying. The fact that everyone of them didn't recognize where the picture was taken is the problem, especially since Shay's wife is in the picture.
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I was listening to a radio station outside of Nashville back in March. Drew Maddux, former Vandy player and current CPA head coach, was on the radio talking right after Pearl had gotten fired. Pearl was in town recruiting the hot shot on his team back in Dec. He said Pearl told him they panicked and feared for his job. Panic is the word he kept saying over and over. None of them knew about the picture.

If Forbes was the first one to go in, it sounds like he panicked and lied to protect his boss and then came out and rounded everyone up and told them what he did and they all decided to lie and get their stories straight and tell the same story. Whether that truly happened, who knows, but I believe it even more now after the Parrish story.
 
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#309
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Weezer said:
Wow, I missed that part of the story at some point. Did Pearl not tell them he was going to come clean or were they just hoping the NCAA would buy their story that they really didn't know where the picture was taken?
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No they knew, I think they were just trying to save their asses.
 
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LawVol13 said:
Sure it does. All assistant coaches have buyout clauses. And, since they decided to give Pearl an undeserved buyout, I'm sure the same reason was used to give the assistants one. It would make no sense to give the assistants absolutely nothing and pay the HC $1,000,000.
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They had buyout clauses, but those went out the window once they committed major NCAA penalties. Pearl was without a contract after last Sept. UT didn't have to pay any of them anything.
 
#311
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Weezer said:
Wow, I missed that part of the story at some point. Did Pearl not tell them he was going to come clean or were they just hoping the NCAA would buy their story that they really didn't know where the picture was taken?
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They knew, but they were told to only answer the questions directly and not offer up any other information. That is why they were tagged with the not forthcoming.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
They had buyout clauses, but those went out the window once they committed major NCAA penalties. Pearl was without a contract after last Sept. UT didn't have to pay any of them anything.
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Yes, I know that. I thought you were meaning assistant coaches never have buyouts. Yes, none of them were owed a dime. But, considering they were willing to pay Pearl a cool million, there was probably a reason to pay the assistants as well. And, as you mentioned earlier, it was most likely hush money.
 
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Guys, thanks for the discussion. You've given me some different perspective on all of this. Hope you all have a good night. :hi:
 
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LawVol13 said:
Yes, I know that. I thought you were meaning assistant coaches never have buyouts. Yes, none of them were owed a dime. But, considering they were willing to pay Pearl a cool million, there was probably a reason to pay the assistants as well. And, as you mentioned earlier, it was most likely hush money.
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I've always suspected it was. Who do you suppose this is to protect who is still affiliated with UT?
 
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Slydell said:
I've always suspected it was. Who do you suppose this is to protect who is still affiliated with UT?
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I think it was to keep Pearl from spilling any other potential violations that the NCAA didn't uncover. Similar to what Raleigh attempted to do when he was fired. Also, to keep him from running the university through the mud in the media. Essentially, it was a gag order.
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What if it was someone higher up in the food chain that pulled the strings and told them what to say during the NCAA questioning? Someone with deep pockets? Perhaps someone told them not to be forthcoming. Only answer exactly what you are asked and no more. Which, by the way, is good advice.
 
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Slydell said:
What if it was someone higher up in the food chain that pulled the strings and told them what to say during the NCAA questioning? Someone with deep pockets? Perhaps someone told them not to be forthcoming. Only answer exactly what you are asked and no more. Which, by the way, is good advice.
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Feasibly, the only official who would have that kind of pull would be Hamilton, unless you are insinuating a booster or board member, which I highly doubt.
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Muschump said:
The assistants lied first.
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Actually only because they met prior and discussed a plan. I assume bp was the one that suggested to not admit anything and get out of the meeting asap.
Regardless of what some think, that's a common theme when meeting with investigators of the 'aa.
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pl3 said:
Actually only because they met prior and discussed a plan. I assume bp was the one that suggested to not admit anything and get out of the meeting asap.
Regardless of what some think, that's a common theme when meeting with investigators of the 'aa.
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Bruce Pearl said he didn't even know about the pictures before the interview...
 
#321
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Muschump said:
Bruce Pearl said he didn't even know about the pictures before the interview...
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Exactly. They just thought they would be asked questions, yet didn't know what about. The common responses are "not sure", "can't recall", " need to check" or "no". That was the plan, and a common plan that every coaching staff goes by in the initial process of investigation. They failed to adapt or use common sense when shown the pic, as pics are seldom involved on ncaa interviews, and they had no idea. Hence the terrible, panicky decisions.
Label it as slimy, arrogant, stupid or whatever, but that's how it went down.
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cncchris33 said:
Feasibly, the only official who would have that kind of pull would be Hamilton, unless you are insinuating a booster or board member, which I highly doubt.
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Yep, that's what I'm insinuating. Top of the chain. Higher than Hamilton. Just my opinion. There's a few at the top that I would be afraid to leave alone in a room with a dime. Might be a fight over it.
 
#323
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I found it interesting in the Griffith article that Jones said that Pearl was going to have to fire one of his assts if he were able to keep his job and Pearl made the confirmation also. I'm assuming either Forbes or Shay with Forbes being the front runner/fall guy.

Pearl disclosed Wednesday that he stood behind his staff under the duress of the NCAA investigation, declining an official request that he fire one of his assistant coaches. Jones confirmed as much on Wednesday.

“I know that had Bruce kept his job, he had conferred with me about maybe having to make changes on the staff,’’ Jones said.

I'm assuming Forbes since he was the one that supposedly went in first and told the first lie.

Ultimately, the main blame lies at Pearl's feet even if the assts could've/should've said something to Pearl. When something rots, it rots at the head. The bbq was held at his house and he and the assts knew what the possible repercussions were and still had the recruits over. That is where the arrogance comes in to me. They thought they were untouchable. If they would've either held that arrogance in check or came clean when confronted with it, they would all still have their jobs.
 
#324
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Risk/reward. Coaches take risks with minor infractions all the time because the reward of getting a player is bigger than a slap on the wrist and worth the risk.
Arrogance is also thrown around a lot in regards to this staff. I don't think many people have met college coaches behind the scene if they think arrogance is uncommon.
Stupidity is a different story.
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#325
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pl3 said:
Risk/reward. Coaches take risks with minor infractions all the time because the reward of getting a player is bigger than a slap on the wrist and worth the risk.
Arrogance is also thrown around a lot in regards to this staff. I don't think many people have met college coaches behind the scene if they think arrogance is uncommon.
Stupidity is a different story.
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Oh, I don't doubt that the vast majority of them are like that. They didn't get to where they are by being mild and meek. I just thought they figured they could have the bbq and blow it off because it would be a minor violation and the admin wouldn't be too mad because of the success they had been having and how popular they were.

As you said, minor violations happen all the time. If it's worth the risk of showing some hot shot recruit around and getting his commitment and saying sorry in the end then they'll do it most of the time. Just don't lie to the NCAA.

I imagine it's not fun when you host recruits and get said number of tickets to a game and then the recruit's family shows up with more people then they said they were bringing as Forbes alluded to in the article. Then you scramble to get extra tickets to keep them happy hoping you can get it cleared. That's the part of the job that a lot of people don't see that the coaches have to put up with and are putting themselves at risk.
 
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