Former Pearl Assistants struggling (split)

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Weezer said:
Maybe it's because I was raised a navy brat, but I believe in a leader putting the welfare of those below him before his own. I'm not saying I would have given them a dime, or that they deserved any money from Pearl, but if Pearl truly does blame himself... In that position I'd do what I could for my guys. Loyalty is an important quality. At least to me.
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I don't necessarily disagree, but I don't think Pearl owed them any of his pay. They were the #3 paid assts in the SEC in line with his #3 pay. He got them a severance package that, frankly, none of them deserved. How many people do you know get a severance package after getting fired? Not many.

Again, if Pearl was such a horrible boss then why did Shay stay with him for 10 years? The guy must've been pretty good to work for if he stuck with him for that long. Forbes was with him 5 of the 6 years at UT. Why didn't he leave?

I think Pearl was loyal too. Probably too loyal to a fault.
 
#278
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LawVol13 said:
First, it's nice to have a post disagreeing with me from someone that's not an idiot like some of the others in this thread. Now, I'm not assassinating Pearl's character at all; Parrish's article tells everyone what Pearl's about, and it's himself. He destroyed his own character; and, when I learned that initially Pearl was placed in a difficult situation, I said as much and acknowledged I was wrong.

What was reported to VQ is that Pearl was extremely unhappy that he was "only" getting a $1 million in buyout money. I'm just saying if he really cared anything about his assistants, he'd said, "You know, I've made millions and millions of dollars from UT. Just split the buyout." Shockingly, he didn't. I'm not saying he had to or was obligated to; I'm saying it would have been the right thing to do.
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How many coaches have you ever heard of splitting buyouts with their asst. ? Everybody knows you dont like Pearl and you act as if he did something personal to you.Pearl lied and got fired and so did his asst. they all lied.If its as big of a problem for you because their families are split up and not making all that money anymore then you need to send money to them.But Pearl doesnt owe these clowns nothing.Ever man is responsible for their own house.
 
#279
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LawVol13 said:
Spot on. It's just like any other supervisor-subordinate relationship. It's not like they called themselves family or anything.



Oh, nevermind.
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Why did Shay stay with Pearl for 10 years? If Pearl was a slimeball-cheatin'-no-good-fer-nuttin' coach, why did Shay stay with him so long?

No coach in college basketball is pure. If you knew every one of them personally, you'd probably dislike the majority of them.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
I don't necessarily disagree, but I don't think Pearl owed them any of his pay. They were the #3 paid assts in the SEC in line with his #3 pay. He got them a severance package that, frankly, none of them deserved. How many people do you know get a severance package after getting fired? Not many.
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#1: You have nothing but Pearl's word on his "fighting" to get them a severance.

#2: All they got was their salaries paid for 3 months. Pearl got his paid for a year plus benefits.

#3: I'm not sure at all that his assistants were #3 paid assistants in the League. As a staff, they were the #3 paid staff, but that's factoring in that Pearl was making $2.5 million while Shay made $150,000.
 
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tnvols72 said:
How many coaches have you ever heard of splitting buyouts with their asst. ? Everybody knows you dont like Pearl and you act as if he did something personal to you.Pearl lied and got fired and so did his asst. they all lied.If its as big of a problem for you because their families are split up and not making all that money anymore then you need to send money to them.But Pearl doesnt owe these clowns nothing.Ever man is responsible for their own house.
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You have misinterpreted my point. I'm not advocating that everyone start taking up donations for the assistants. Read some of my other posts and maybe you'll see what I was getting at.
 
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LawVol13 said:
Yep, and he got $1,000,000 for himself and got his assistants' salaries paid for 3 months. I just find that sickening.
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The big question for me though is who steered the ship into the iceberg? Loyalty is a two way street. Did one of the assistants lie first and everyone else cover his butt, or did Pearl lie first and they cover his? If Pearl lied to cover for them, then to me, that's as far as my loyalty goes. I went down with the ship for you, now I wash my hands of you. If he committed career suicide to cover for one of them, then I don't think he owes them anymore than he has given them.
 
#283
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Weezer said:
The big question for me though is who steered the ship into the iceberg? Loyalty is a two way street. Did one of the assistants lie first and everyone else cover his butt, or did Pearl lie first and they cover his? If Pearl lied to cover for them, then to me, that's as far as my loyalty goes. I went down with the ship for you, now I wash my hands of you. If he committed career suicide to cover for one of them, then I don't think he owes them anymore than he has given them.
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The assistants lied first.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
Why did Shay stay with Pearl for 10 years? If Pearl was a slimeball-cheatin'-no-good-fer-nuttin' coach, why did Shay stay with him so long?

No coach in college basketball is pure. If you knew every one of them personally, you'd probably dislike the majority of them.
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Because Shay was most likely similar to him. My point is, Pearl pretends that he believes he "let his assistants down" and that "they were a family" yet he goes and negotiates a giant buyout for himself while letting his assistants get nothing in comparison.
 
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Weezer said:
The big question for me though is who steered the ship into the iceberg? Loyalty is a two way street. Did one of the assistants lie first and everyone else cover his butt, or did Pearl lie first and they cover his? If Pearl lied to cover for them, then to me, that's as far as my loyalty goes. I went down with the ship for you, now I wash my hands of you. If he committed career suicide to cover for one of them, then I don't think he owes them anymore than he has given them.
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I've been told the assistants lied first to protect Pearl.
 
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Muschump said:
Brilliant plan they had there. Which lied first? That guy was really thinkin!
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Assistant lied first. And I completely agree that they must have been either complete dumbasses or they were so arrogant that they thought they were untouchable.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
I don't necessarily disagree, but I don't think Pearl owed them any of his pay. They were the #3 paid assts in the SEC in line with his #3 pay. He got them a severance package that, frankly, none of them deserved. How many people do you know get a severance package after getting fired? Not many.

Again, if Pearl was such a horrible boss then why did Shay stay with him for 10 years? The guy must've been pretty good to work for if he stuck with him for that long. Forbes was with him 5 of the 6 years at UT. Why didn't he leave?

I think Pearl was loyal too. Probably too loyal to a fault.
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I concur with most of this in other posts, but one thing I will point out, Pearl didn't deserve his severance package either. I know this is common practice for how universities handle situations like these, but his situation should have been no different than theirs.
 
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LawVol13 said:
You have misinterpreted my point. I'm not advocating that everyone start taking up donations for the assistants. Read some of my other posts and maybe you'll see what I was getting at.
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Im trying but you posted last night you were wrong and felt sorry for Pearl and the next thread came out with an article you just start bashing away.
I dont like what Pearl did but it doesnt have an affect on my life or well being.You act as if Pearl is the only liar coach out here.They all cheat and lie,he just got caught.
But it shouldnt bother you that he didnt hand out money to these clowns.They knew what was going to happen at the end of the year.None of this was a surprise to anybody.boo hoo if Shay and Forbes family is split up.If money is the problem for them then they need to quit coaching and put their degrees to work.But I dont get where you think Pearl should help them out or thats the right thing to do.
 
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LawVol13 said:
#1: You have nothing but Pearl's word on his "fighting" to get them a severance.

#2: All they got was their salaries paid for 3 months. Pearl got his paid for a year plus benefits.

#3: I'm not sure at all that his assistants were #3 paid assistants in the League. As a staff, they were the #3 paid staff, but that's factoring in that Pearl was making $2.5 million while Shay made $150,000.
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#1 And you've got nothing.

#2 So? The head man always gets more than the minions. That is life. That is the way the world works. Look at every line of business and that is the way it usually works. I didn't make the rules.

#3 According to the article they were the third highest paid staff.

Asked Tuesday why he hasn't helped his former assistants financially, Pearl explained to CBSSports.com that his staff was once the third-highest-paid staff in the SEC just like he was once the third-highest-paid head coach in the SEC, point being that he always made sure they were on par with him in terms of salary. He also said that he gave them Christmas bonuses last December worth "five to 10 times more" than they usually got because he knew their salaries had been docked, and that he helped get them the severance package they received from Tennessee.
 
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Weezer said:
I concur with most of this in other posts, but one thing I will point out, Pearl didn't deserve his severance package either. I know this is common practice for how universities handle situations like these, but his situation should have been no different than theirs.
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I agree Pearl shouldnt have got a severance package of any kind.I dont know too many people that gets rewarded for being fired.
 
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tnvols72 said:
But I dont get where you think Pearl should help them out or thats the right thing to do.
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Especially since it's the assistants fault for lying in the first place. If the first guy would've said, "yea man, that's BPs house," they'd all still be employed.
 
#294
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tnvols72 said:
Im trying but you posted last night you were wrong and felt sorry for Pearl and the next thread came out with an article you just start bashing away.
I dont like what Pearl did but it doesnt have an affect on my life or well being.You act as if Pearl is the only liar coach out here.They all cheat and lie,he just got caught.
But it shouldnt bother you that he didnt hand out money to these clowns.They knew what was going to happen at the end of the year.None of this was a surprise to anybody.boo hoo if Shay and Forbes family is split up.If money is the problem for them then they need to quit coaching and put their degrees to work.But I dont get where you think Pearl should help them out or thats the right thing to do.
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I feel for the position Pearl was initially placed in. That would have been hard for anyone. His actions after that are perfectly consistent with his personality, unethical. And, it's fine if you think he shouldn't have given them a dime. I'm just telling you that if I was in Pearl's position and really blamed myself as he says he does, I'd help my guys out considering I'm already set for life.
 
#295
#295
Weezer said:
I concur with most of this in other posts, but one thing I will point out, Pearl didn't deserve his severance package either. I know this is common practice for how universities handle situations like these, but his situation should have been no different than theirs.
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I don't think any of them did, but that was probably money so Pearl wouldn't try and drag this thing further in the mud through the press than it already has been. If Pearl would've had the record of a Buzz or Houston, he wouldn't have gotten a dime I don't think.
 
#296
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LawVol13 said:
I've been told the assistants lied first to protect Pearl.
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I just don't see how anyone with an ounce of common sense could think committing a major violation to cover a minor violation is the right course of action. That kind of stupidity is a breach of loyalty itself as you have just opened all of your colleagues up to a greater risk. If I'm the staff, my anger is for whoever opened that can of worms, because without that, they all still have jobs at UT.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
#1 And you've got nothing.

#2 So? The head man always gets more than the minions. That is life. That is the way the world works. Look at every line of business and that is the way it usually works. I didn't make the rules.

#3 According to the article they were the third highest paid staff.

Asked Tuesday why he hasn't helped his former assistants financially, Pearl explained to CBSSports.com that his staff was once the third-highest-paid staff in the SEC just like he was once the third-highest-paid head coach in the SEC, point being that he always made sure they were on par with him in terms of salary. He also said that he gave them Christmas bonuses last December worth "five to 10 times more" than they usually got because he knew their salaries had been docked, and that he helped get them the severance package they received from Tennessee.
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I'm almost sure that the 3rd highest paid staff factors in Pearl's salary; if not, I'll gladly admit I'm wrong. As to #1, Hubbs had inside info from that night that mentioned absolutely nothing about Pearl "fighting" for his assistants. Instead, he only fought for himself.
 
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Weezer said:
I just don't see how anyone with an ounce of common sense could think committing a major violation to cover a minor violation is the right course of action. That kind of stupidity is a breach of loyalty itself as you have just opened all of your colleagues up to a greater risk. If I'm the staff, my anger is for whoever opened that can of worms, because without that, they all still have jobs at UT.
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Bingo.
 
#299
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Weezer said:
I concur with most of this in other posts, but one thing I will point out, Pearl didn't deserve his severance package either. I know this is common practice for how universities handle situations like these, but his situation should have been no different than theirs.
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Pearl essentially was paid to keep quiet while the NCAA weighed the punishment for the university, but you're right, he deserved nothing, just like his assistants.

If the assistants lied first, and Pearl had to continue the lie to cover them, then they only have each other to blame. I go back to my original point that one of them should have had the balls to stand up at the time pf the violation and nip it in the bud. Then we are not having this conversation. I understand not wanting to trump your bosses authority, but having worked under Pearl for as long as these guys had, surely they had garnered enough mutual respect from their boss to speak freely in an informal setting like a barbecue.
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