Found this little gem over on a Georgia forum...

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Jaws said:
I think UT fans will look back years from now and shake their heads at how in the word UT went 1-5 against UF in the 4 years of Muschamp and first two years of Mac. Between the loaded offense this year and the recruiting catching fire at Florida, the window has closed and UF is about to go on another tear in the SEC.

Remember, Florida was the last team to reign in the SEC before this recent Bama domination and Florida will be the team to dethrone them. It's coming.
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
You seriously believe you have more talent this year than a few years ago when you had 3 top 5 recruiting class all on campus?

The last of Muschamps top 5 recruiting classes just went to the draft. Your junior class was terrible and your sophomore class is only okay.

You guys are set up for a bad year. The talent will be clearly inferior to Georgia and Tennessee for the first time in a long time.
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You obviously haven't monitored the recruits they have brought in on offense. They are absolutely loaded at WR. And not just the 1s, they're two deep w top level talent at that position.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
You seriously believe you have more talent this year than a few years ago when you had 3 top 5 recruiting class all on campus?

The last of Muschamps top 5 recruiting classes just went to the draft. Your junior class was terrible and your sophomore class is only okay.

You guys are set up for a bad year. The talent will be clearly inferior to Georgia and Tennessee for the first time in a long time.
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The problem is, and so many of you continue to do this, you look at recruiting ranking and only recruiting ranking.

That's the first problem. The second problem is that no one has analyzed the 2013 and 2014 recruiting classes that are so vastly superior.

These are members of the 2013 and 2014 recruiting classes who contributed, or have contributed, hardly anything. Will Grier gave you 6 games. Were there people like VHIII in those recruiting classes.....yes. But, as a class, these classes were terrible. Damn their recruiting ranking of 4th and 8th respectively.

Justus Reed
Will Grier
JC Jackson
Nolan Kelleher
5. Moral Stephens
Gerald Willis III
Thomas Holley
Treon Harris
Travaris Dorsey
10. C'yontei Lewis
Justus Reed
Ryan Sousa
Drew Sarvary
Kavaris Harkless
15. Deiondre Porter
CJ Worton
Andrew Mike
Alvin Bailey
Daniel McMillan
20. Ahmad Fulwood
Matt Rolin
Jaynard Bostwick
Adam Lane
Marquis Hawkins
25. Chris Thompson
Octavious Jackson
Jarran Reed
Treyvon Young
Max Staver

29 players who did absolutely jack. And I was being generous with this list. There are other players, like a Cameron Dillard, who played...but how good were they? There were a good 10 plus other names I could have listed that would have fit in this category...no problem. I mean, you see what these dudes did on the field. Just because they played doesn't mean they were any good.

So, hell yes, the talent that's currently assembled is a lot better.

It's not even close.
 
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Booker512 said:
“When you guys go to like a seafood market or the grocery store, you see all those dead fish on ice? That’s the energy they’re playing with right now,” McElwain said. “How excited are you to hang out with that dead fish? I’m just telling you. Go to the dead fish aisle and look at the fish’s eyes. That’s what bothers me.” -Jim Mcelwain

The more I read about Jim Mcelwain....the more I feel like he might be Floridas version of Dooley....
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Except with a winning a record and two divisional titles in two years?
 
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Probably because you had guys like---Donte Fowler, johnathon Bullard, Bryan Cox, Antonio Morrison, Jared Davis, Alex Anzalone, Brian pool, VHIII, Jalen Tabor, Marcus Maye, Keanu Neal, Quincy Wilson, Kelvin Taylor, Demarcus Robinson, Alex McCalister, DJ Humphries, Chaz Green, Matt Jones, Max Garcia, Neiron Ball, Andre Debose, Trenton Brown, Dominique Easley, Jaylen Watkins, Ronald Powell, Jon Halapio, Jarrad Davis, David Sharpe, Caleb Brantley, Joey Ivie ---to compete against for starting gigs. Hard to contribute when you're up against guys that are locked for the draft. No questions, Are getting drafted...

The Gators have been spoiled effin' rotten with amazing talent. I'm sure Nick Saban caught himself occasionally glancing across the Gators roster and salivating over the guys you have had on it. Gainesville has been the land of milk and honey as far as top tier talent and development goes. 2017 is gonna be a slump.

Florida has had 37 players drafted in the past 5 years.
That's In the same air as Alabama, Ohio st, Clemson, FSU.....but what have they all done over the past 5 years that Florida hasn't?
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
You seriously believe you have more talent this year than a few years ago when you had 3 top 5 recruiting class all on campus?

The last of Muschamps top 5 recruiting classes just went to the draft. Your junior class was terrible and your sophomore class is only okay.

You guys are set up for a bad year. The talent will be clearly inferior to Georgia and Tennessee for the first time in a long time.
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Mac's first two recruiting classes were spent trying to balance the roster. Florida had absolutely nothing on the o-line, nothing at WR and TE, limited numbers at RB, and its only formidable rush DE was graduating (Dante Fowler) when he took over. What he has done in two recruiting classes at those positions is nothing short of amazing. On the o-line he added; Tez Ivey, Jawan Taylor, Fred Johnson, Brett Heggie, Tyler Jordan and basically went from 4 total linemen to 15. At WR, he added Callaway, Cleveland, Massey, Hammond and others. At RB, Scarlett, Perine and Thompson. Pass rushers from the DE spot; Cece and Zuniga. So, if he were an idiot like Muschamp, he could have loaded up on 4-star DB's and safeties which grow on trees in Florida, jumped the classes up 4 or 5 spots in the rankings, but suffer on the field with a wild imbalance. Muschamp had 4/5 star DB's riding the pine while allowing the roster to dwindle to 4 o-linemen and crap at WR.

Mac has rebuilt the team in two full classes and that's not even including the true Freshmen coming in this year. I'm thrilled with where Mac has brought the talent level post-Muschamp on both sides of the ball.

Regarding QB, the only QB Mac has coached at Florida that truly belonged at Florida and in the SEC was Will Grier. Grier was playing very well and we all know what happened there. He had Del Rio playing well before the injuries and he did about as good as he could with a limited Appleby. We'll see what happens with Franks/Zaire and of course Matt Corral down the road.
 
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Booker512 said:
“When you guys go to like a seafood market or the grocery store, you see all those dead fish on ice? That’s the energy they’re playing with right now,” McElwain said. “How excited are you to hang out with that dead fish? I’m just telling you. Go to the dead fish aisle and look at the fish’s eyes. That’s what bothers me.” -Jim Mcelwain

The more I read about Jim Mcelwain....the more I feel like he might be Floridas version of Dooley....
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This tells me a lot about your feelings. Dooley would still be coaching at UT if he had the record that McElwain has at Florida.
 
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Booker512 said:
“When you guys go to like a seafood market or the grocery store, you see all those dead fish on ice? That’s the energy they’re playing with right now,” McElwain said. “How excited are you to hang out with that dead fish? I’m just telling you. Go to the dead fish aisle and look at the fish’s eyes. That’s what bothers me.” -Jim Mcelwain

The more I read about Jim Mcelwain....the more I feel like he might be Floridas version of Dooley....
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His analyst needs to start considering a fish obsession going on here. No wonder the guy moved to Florida. There is medication for that you know.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
You seriously believe you have more talent this year than a few years ago when you had 3 top 5 recruiting class all on campus?

The last of Muschamps top 5 recruiting classes just went to the draft. Your junior class was terrible and your sophomore class is only okay.

You guys are set up for a bad year. The talent will be clearly inferior to Georgia and Tennessee for the first time in a long time.
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Muschamp didn't sign anybody worth a **** on the offensive side of the ball they all pretty much busted

So yea even with a lot more 3 stars I think Mac has a more balanced and better team

It's all about hit rate if you can hit on a decent amount of 3 stars you can get by with 10th and 12th ranked recruiting classes just as easily as muschamp so called top 5 classes

He hit on a lot of stud defenders very low bust rate there but offense was just terrible

I personally like what I've seen out of guys like Jabari Zuniga David Reese Vosean Joseph Kylan Johnson etc their poised to play a big part this year so we'll see who's right and who's wrong pretty soon
 
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I'll tell you one thing muschamp never would of landed a class like Mac is about to this year it's about to be as good as any in the country offense wise once we add Schwartz Barnes and Gouraige

Finally it looks like with the new staff hires we got **** clicking
 
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The Ron Mexico said:
This tells me a lot about your feelings. Dooley would still be coaching at UT if he had the record that McElwain has at Florida.
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Yep. Half this board was ready to build Dooley a statue if he would have made it to a bowl game his last year.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Not sure if serious.

If serious, I feel like you might be VN's version of Dooley. :eek:lol:
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How many other UF coaches have blown a 21 point lead to the Vols or been destroyed at Arkansas or start out with blowout losses to FSU in his first two seasons?
 
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gunner said:
How many other UF coaches have blown a 21 point lead to the Vols or been destroyed at Arkansas or start out with blowout losses to FSU in his first two seasons?
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2 division titles erased those thoughts. Even if they backed into Atlanta.

Remember '07? CPF loses to Florida by 39 and to Alabama by 24, but still managed to win the east by default. By the time the team rolled into Atlanta, the fan base had given CPF a pass for the early season failures and all was well.

Then the 2008 season arrived.
 
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gunner said:
How many other UF coaches have blown a 21 point lead to the Vols or been destroyed at Arkansas or start out with blowout losses to FSU in his first two seasons?
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Despite all that he's 13-3 in the sec through his first 2 years

Comparing him to Dooley is laughable

I don't think he ever came close to a winning record in conference
 
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gunner said:
How many other UF coaches have blown a 21 point lead to the Vols or been destroyed at Arkansas or start out with blowout losses to FSU in his first two seasons?
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How many UF coaches won the Eastern division their first two years?

Spurrier? Yep.
Zook? Nope.
Meyer? Nope.
Musclecramps? Please.

You focus on the trees, I'll focus on the forest.
 
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I am certainly not a supporter of Florida football, but we need to operate within the bounds of reality.
 
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I will be consistent here and say that I don't have any pride in winning the East the last two years except.....

That I thought McElwain inherited a pile of crap and thought it would take 3 or 4 years to make it to Atlanta.

The list of coaches who could have done better in the last 2 years is short. We flat out did not have the horses to compete with FSU or Alabama.

Michigan was better. LSU was better. Dare I say it.....Tennessee was better. So, Arkansas is the only "bad" loss and a road loss when you are not vastly superior is not all that unforgivable.

In addition, they beat Georgia twice and I think Mac would have traded rosters. Same with Ole Miss and Tennessee in 2015 and LSU in 2016.

Now, eventually, even if that is still the case, the excuses go away because he had time to build his program and bring in his people.

But, first two years, with what he inherited, I actually think it's a minor miracle. It's been ugly as hell, but the win total still surprised me
 
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99gator said:
I will be consistent here and say that I don't have any pride in winning the East the last two years except.....

That I thought McElwain inherited a pile of crap and thought it would take 3 or 4 years to make it to Atlanta.

The list of coaches who could have done better in the last 2 years is short. We flat out did not have the horses to compete with FSU or Alabama.

Michigan was better. LSU was better. Dare I say it.....Tennessee was better. So, Arkansas is the only "bad" loss and a road loss when you are not vastly superior is not all that unforgivable.

In addition, they beat Georgia twice and I think Mac would have traded rosters. Same with Ole Miss and Tennessee in 2015 and LSU in 2016.

Now, eventually, even if that is still the case, the excuses go away because he had time to build his program and bring in his people.

But, first two years, with what he inherited, I actually think it's a minor miracle. It's been ugly as hell, but the win total still surprised me
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Solid post.

It's worth noting in two seasons, last year's loss at Arkansas is the only game I can point to where McElwain lost to an inferior team. And little did we know at the time Del Rio's shoulder issues reduced his arm to a noodle.

Recruiting is finally trending up, but McElwain needs to close the gap on FSU while keeping pace in the SEC East. Nothing short of a near 2013 Muschamp-esque implosion will put him on the hot seat for 2018.

To compare him with Dooley is complete lunacy. :blink:
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
:eek:lol: @ "backing into Atlanta" after winning the division by two games in 2015 and 2016

That's comical.
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You did not back in either year. Period.

If we beat you in 15, we win the East. I don't consider that winning by two games.

Not that it matters, but didn't want you having too much fun at our expense.

Remember in A Few Good Men..."I strenuously object". :)
 
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