Franklin may be on his way out!

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orangeblood79 said:
TOTALLY understand your passion, it's why I'm in the field I'm in, after spending nearly a decade in pharmaceuticals, I realized I just didn't like it and, thankfully, made a career change.

Question: Are you saying I shouldn't take the word, at all, of the two attorneys who prosecuted Sandusky?

While the book you mentioned seems intriguing to read, CSA is my LEAST favorite subject. It's one thing to read about it, totally different when you see it and the permanent damage it inflicts on everyone involved, first hand.

True story: one of the best men I have ever known (no exaggeration at all) once told me he came within a hair's width of being a murderer because of the damage that the victim's mother's boyfriend did to her 4 year old child--the mother, by the way, was defending HIM not her own daughter.

He left the hospital, where nearly 100 pictures had to be taken to document the extent of her injuries. He said, if not by the grace of God speaking to him on his drive to where the suspect was being held, he would have murdered that man that night.

You can chose to believe the last part, if you like, but my point is this; people who are emotionally caught between the victim(s) and/or perpetrator sometime act in unexpected ways.

Again, I'm not defending the inaction of JoPa, only trying to illustrate this point; before I saw the 60 minutes Sports interview, it was my impression that JoPa made ZERO effort and/or attempts to stop Sandusky. When the attorneys revealed that he went to the president and AD and then left it to them, they divulged a detail that I was previously unaware. The fact that he did, in fact, make an effort was the perspective that I gained.

YES, he could have and should have done more, but he left it in the hands of authorities whom he thought would take appropriate action and they did not. While that makes them MUCH more liable than he, it does not let him off the hook. Paterno's failure to follow up, after letting Spainer and Curley know about what McQueary divulged, especially after Sandusky was still present on campus, is very likely unforgivable.

While I'm not saying I do, after seeing mothers and fathers ignore significantly worse details, I....am not surprised, is perhaps the best way to put it.
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Maybe follow up with that next time before accusing someone of being obessed with pedofelia.
 
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orangeblood79 said:
TOTALLY understand your passion, it's why I'm in the field I'm in, after spending nearly a decade in pharmaceuticals, I realized I just didn't like it and, thankfully, made a career change.

Question: Are you saying I shouldn't take the word, at all, of the two attorneys who prosecuted Sandusky?

While the book you mentioned seems intriguing to read, CSA is my LEAST favorite subject. It's one thing to read about it, totally different when you see it and the permanent damage it inflicts on everyone involved, first hand.

True story: one of the best men I have ever known (no exaggeration at all) once told me he came within a hair's width of being a murderer because of the damage that the victim's mother's boyfriend did to her 4 year old child--the mother, by the way, was defending HIM not her own daughter.

He left the hospital, where nearly 100 pictures had to be taken to document the extent of her injuries. He said, if not by the grace of God speaking to him on his drive to where the suspect was being held, he would have murdered that man that night.

You can chose to believe the last part, if you like, but my point is this; people who are emotionally caught between the victim(s) and/or perpetrator sometime act in unexpected ways.

Again, I'm not defending the inaction of JoPa, only trying to illustrate this point; before I saw the 60 minutes Sports interview, it was my impression that JoPa made ZERO effort and/or attempts to stop Sandusky. When the attorneys revealed that he went to the president and AD and then left it to them, they divulged a detail that I was previously unaware. The fact that he did, in fact, make an effort was the perspective that I gained.

YES, he could have and should have done more, but he left it in the hands of authorities whom he thought would take appropriate action and they did not. While that makes them MUCH more liable than he, it does not let him off the hook. Paterno's failure to follow up, after letting Spainer and Curley know about what McQueary divulged, especially after Sandusky was still present on campus, is very likely unforgivable.

While I'm not saying I do, after seeing mothers and fathers ignore significantly worse details, I....am not
surprised, is perhaps the best way to put it.
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I'm saying you shouldn't take the word of two prosecutors who waited 2 years to indict Sandusky because they were trying to protect Tom Corbett's election chances.

It was disgusting what they did, delaying an arrest for so long merely for political reasons.
 
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jjay2518 said:
Maybe follow up with that next time before accusing someone of being obessed with pedofelia.
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Ok, where did I say that?!? Good grief people...

What I said definitely had some teeth to it but it was NOT an accusation of being obsessed with pedofelia. For a run-of-the-mill person to do such extensive research of this case IS odd. Wanting to do a job that encounters the worst of what society produces IS odd, that's why law enforcement, first responders, fire fighters, et al have a special brotherhood amongst one another...we're all a little strange for putting our lives in danger for the sake of others, that's why we often refer to it as being "in our blood."

If Nerwen wasn't a CJ major and just studied the case out of sheer curiosity, which was unclear until she revealed that little fact, it WOULD be strange. However, being that one of my favorite subjects to study was blood spatter analysis in Forensics, I can relate. That, in and of itself, is (admittedly) odd...but there's a reason why it was one of my favorite subjects to study: it's a means to catch the perpetrator. Anything that progresses the study of catching bad guys, I'm all in.

So, when she said it was her passion, I completely related because its mine too. It has to be a passion bc you sure as hell don't get in for the pay...
 
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orangeblood79 said:
Ok, where did I say that?!? Good grief people...

What I said definitely had some teeth to it but it was NOT an accusation of being obsessed with pedofelia. For a run-of-the-mill person to do such extensive research of this case IS odd. Wanting to do a job that encounters the worst of what society produces IS odd, that's why law enforcement, first responders, fire fighters, et al have a special brotherhood amongst one another...we're all a little strange for putting our lives in danger for the sake of others, that's why we often refer to it as being "in our blood."

If Nerwen wasn't a CJ major and just studied the case out of sheer curiosity, which was unclear until she revealed that little fact, it WOULD be strange. However, being that one of my favorite subjects to study was blood spatter analysis in Forensics, I can relate. That, in and of itself, is (admittedly) odd...but there's a reason why it was one of my favorite subjects to study: it's a means to catch the perpetrator. Anything that progresses the study of catching bad guys, I'm all in.

So, when she said it was her passion, I completely related because its mine too. It has to be a passion bc you sure as hell don't get in for the pay...
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So, if you are interested for pay, you're cool-- even though you don't do it for pay. If you don't do it for pay, you have a creepy interest in pedaphilia.

I think I got ya.

My wife has always had an intense interest in serial killer stories and forensics. She didn't go into criminal justice, but instead into labwork.

Please tell me I didn't marry an ax murderer...
 
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Nerwen Aldarion said:
I'm saying you shouldn't take the word of two prosecutors who waited 2 years to indict Sandusky because they were trying to protect Tom Corbett's election chances.

It was disgusting what they did, delaying an arrest for so long merely for political reasons.
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This...illustrates the monumental gap between your knowledge of the case and mine.

I have no desire to research this case. When I was going through my masters degree, I had to do extensive research on JonBenet Ramsey...I would rather forget what I learned, to be honest.

When this case came to light, all I wanted to know was that Sandusky saw justice. While I still think chemical castration should be utilized, he's been convicted. The system isn't perfect, but he's behind bars and boys are protected from him now.

I have two small girls. I see enough evil already. I prefer to fill my time with other things.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
So, if you are interested for pay, you're cool-- even though you don't do it for pay. If you don't do it for pay, you have a creepy interest in pedaphilia.

I think I got ya.

My wife has always had an intense interest in serial killer stories and forensics. She didn't go into criminal justice, but instead into labwork.

Please tell me I didn't marry an ax murderer...
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Quit putting words in my mouth people...get over it.

EDIT: Which Lab, btw?
 
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brewferr said:
Here's the latest radio interview with Bobby Allyn from Buzzfeed:

https://soundcloud.com/1025thegame/...oud.com/1025thegame/buzzfeed-com-writer-bobby
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Bobby Allyn disclosed (inadvertently?) that the source regarding Franklin's alleged involvement is an attorney. In and of itself, that's not particularly revealing.

However, we now know that Chris Boyd has a hearing scheduled for this Friday. Supposedly this hearing was scheduled for later this month but has been moved up. There is further speculation that Boyd may be accepting a plea deal.

Considering the timing of the Buzzfeed article, is it possible that part of Boyd's plea deal hinges on him testifying against Franklin or providing evidence of Franklin's involvement? If the allegations against Franklin are credible, then it's a bit suspicious that he hasn't yet been charged. Perhaps the DA needed someone to corroborate the evidence they had before filing charges. I don't think it's far fetched that Boyd is the missing link here.

This is all speculation of course.
 
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Burger said:
I remember hearing about an investigator who was about to arrest Sandusky in 2000. He died that year from an unknown cause. The PSU guys had him killed!
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No, I think the guy your talking about disappeared and has never been found..
 
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dreVol said:
Bobby Allyn disclosed (inadvertently?) that the source regarding Franklin's alleged involvement is an attorney. In and of itself, that's not particularly revealing.

However, we now know that Chris Boyd has a hearing scheduled for this Friday. Supposedly this hearing was scheduled for later this month but has been moved up. There is further speculation that Boyd may be accepting a plea deal.

Considering the timing of the Buzzfeed article, is it possible that part of Boyd's plea deal hinges on him testifying against Franklin or providing evidence of Franklin's involvement? If the allegations against Franklin are credible, then it's a bit suspicious that he hasn't yet been charged. Perhaps the DA needed someone to corroborate the evidence they had before filing charges. I don't think it's far fetched that Boyd is the missing link here.

This is all speculation of course.
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If his lawyers are sharp enough to get him a cherry plea deal by offering up testimony that would help fry a bigger fish, then good for them.

If so, I assume that Boyd's bargaining chip would have been his ability to refuse to testify about his experience with Franklin based on his 5th Amendment right not to self-incriminate?

In other words, if Franklin told Boyd to delete the evidence and Boyd complied, then testifying about the incident would incriminate both of them. Boyd could refuse to testify about the whole incident by "taking the Fifth." However, assuming the prosecutors need Boyd's testimony to get an indictment of Franklin, they might be willing to let Boyd plea out with a slap on the wrist in exchange for his agreement to waive his Fifth Amendment right and testify.

That would be an interesting angle.
 
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I could see a team leader like Boyd going to the coach saying "we might have a problem, look at this" and Franklin saying "delete that and tell those freshmen to get rid of theirs too".
 
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Sheik Yerbouti said:
If his lawyers are sharp enough to get him a cherry plea deal by offering up testimony that would help fry a bigger fish, then good for them.

If so, I assume that Boyd's bargaining chip would have been his ability to refuse to testify about his experience with Franklin based on his 5th Amendment right not to self-incriminate?

In other words, if Franklin told Boyd to delete the evidence and Boyd complied, then testifying about the incident would incriminate both of them. Boyd could refuse to testify about the whole incident by "taking the Fifth." However, assuming the prosecutors need Boyd's testimony to get an indictment of Franklin, they might be willing to let Boyd plea out with a slap on the wrist in exchange for his agreement to waive his Fifth Amendment right and testify.

That would be an interesting angle.
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Is giving bad advice a crime though? Or would they have to say it was an order by an authority figure to orchestrate a cover up? The second would be a beefier charge but would also seem more far fetched to actually prosecute.
 
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zjcvols said:
IF IF IF IF IF the allegations are true, then hell yeah it is. Paterno had one eyewitness story that he turned over to his "superiors". Was he incredibly negligent and immoral by not discussing it with Sandusky and looking into the matter further? Yes. But he never saw video of said action and then told a player to delete evidence.
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DO DO DO DO what? I'm a franklin hater big time but patreno was told by not just an "eye witness" but by someone who he trusted and then when he thought the coast was clear, continued to allow Sandusky middle of the night access and on the sideline access WITH little boys. As in male, underage, awake little boys. GTHO with that being better.
 
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pattiycake said:
Yep...Ray Gricar the Penn DA. Strange story!
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It is a strange story and a lot of speculation has been made about the Jerry Sandusky case being the reason for that. We know there was an investigation into Sandusky not long before Gricar went missing and Gricar was working a different child abuse case at the time.

However, if I recall he was also involved in either a massive drug ring or something similar to the Mob which makes much more sense then a big Penn State conspiracy to kill a prosecutor to protect their asses.

We know they paid off people and/or buried the information to protect themselves but none of that in indicative of anything close to murder.

So no, I do not believe Gricar's disappearance was related to Sandusky, there is nothing that really ties him to it beyond speculation and conspiracy. There are several more plausible theories to explain it.
 
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Aesius said:
I'm pretty sure only the most delusional WKU fan believes Petrino will be there for more than 1-2 years.
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Most realize he'll be there as long as his wife makes him stay there. She has 3 kids in KY and never wanted to leave Louisville in the first place but did so for the sake of his career. He said he approached his wife about this job and she said lets do it and didn't hesitate and its probably one of the few she would've signed off on.

Bobby P has readily admitted he's a small town, outdoors guy and he never really fit in in Louisville and more so ATL. Fayetteville was exactly what he was looking for and I believe BG falls in that same criteria.

He's made his money and proven he can take multiple schools to BCS bowls. At this juncture it comes down to how important is his family and his marriage to him. I can not see his wife eagerly bouncing around after only year or two and if he wants to remain married and not forfeit half his salary every year he'll be in BG for awhile. If they win the Sun Belt this year he'll be making $1mil+ in 2014.

Texas may have a shot but no way he ends up in LA.

Edit: sorry to get the thread off-topic
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
Most realize he'll be there as long as his wife makes him stay there. She has 3 kids in KY and never wanted to leave Louisville in the first place but did so for the sake of his career. He said he approached his wife about this job and she said lets do it and didn't hesitate and its probably one of the few she would've signed off on.

Bobby P has readily admitted he's a small town, outdoors guy and he never really fit in in Louisville and more so ATL. Fayetteville was exactly what he was looking for and I believe BG falls in that same criteria.

He's made his money and proven he can take multiple schools to BCS bowls. At this juncture it comes down to how important is his family and his marriage to him. I can not see his wife eagerly bouncing around after only year or two and if he wants to remain married and not forfeit half his salary every year he'll be in BG for awhile. If they win the Sun Belt this year he'll be making $1mil+ in 2014.

Texas may have a shot but no way he ends up in LA.

Edit: sorry to get the thread off-topic
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He'll also have to pay back Western Kentucky 1.2 million dollars
 
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MSCE09 said:
Is giving bad advice a crime though? Or would they have to say it was an order by an authority figure to orchestrate a cover up? The second would be a beefier charge but would also seem more far fetched to actually prosecute.
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Conspiracy to obstruct justice through the destruction of evidence? That seems criminal.

What would they charge him with? Accessory before the fact? Accessory? Accomplice? I'm not a Tennessee lawyer, but I'm sure there is something there.

For your consideration: Accessory before the fact | LII / Legal Information Institute
 
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DA Thurman:"Clearly no evidence whatsoever that Franklin is involved in the coverup ... no evidence at all that Franklin did anything wrong"
 
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I guess I don't understand the thought that Boyd agrees to testify, gets a lesser sentence to misdemeanor and will likely at least travel with the team this weekend. The guy still knowingly destroyed evidence of a crime. I wouldn't let him back on the team.
 
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VolnTitan said:
I guess I don't understand the thought that Boyd agrees to testify, gets a lesser sentence to misdemeanor and will likely at least travel with the team this weekend. The guy still knowingly destroyed evidence of a crime. I wouldn't let him back on the team.
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you have scruples.
 
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MSCE09 said:
Is giving bad advice a crime though? Or would they have to say it was an order by an authority figure to orchestrate a cover up? The second would be a beefier charge but would also seem more far fetched to actually prosecute.
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Obstruction of justice is a crime.
 
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