Franklin may be on his way out!

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orangeblood79 said:
So because I came away with a different perspective, after watching said interview, warrants you writing a thesis on the case? I no more defended Paterno than Sandusky. The two attorneys simply divulged details that i was previously unaware.

And if you found the whole thing sickening and disturbing, why read books and the entire Freh report??

I was, however, I intrigued to hear the perspective from the two men who put him behind bars but, excuse me if I avoid reading countless pages detailing explicit details of child rape.

And by the way, what level of obsession do you have to reach in order to devote that much time into such a case? Even if you're in the law field, a Penn State alum, or an investigator, the amount of time you say you spent researching this particular case is odd, to say the least

Are you a lecturer, do you study pedofelia for a living...or did you just want to use it on message boards to sound "informed"?
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You lost dude. Sometimes when I lose an argument I just let the other guy know by saying good job. He handed you your butt on a silver platter. I guess a better comeback than the garbage I quoted above from you would have been a "your momma" line and left it at that.
 
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smokey0625 said:
You lost dude. Sometimes when I lose an argument I just let the other guy know by saying good job. He handed you your butt on a silver platter. I guess a better comeback than the garbage I quoted above from you would have been a "your momma" line and left it at that.
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I'm pretty sure Nerwen is a woman, but other than that spot on.
 
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orangeblood79 said:
So because I came away with a different perspective, after watching said interview, warrants you writing a thesis on the case? I no more defended Paterno than Sandusky. The two attorneys simply divulged details that i was previously unaware.

And if you found the whole thing sickening and disturbing, why read books and the entire Freh report??

I was, however, I intrigued to hear the perspective from the two men who put him behind bars but, excuse me if I avoid reading countless pages detailing explicit details of child rape.

And by the way, what level of obsession do you have to reach in order to devote that much time into such a case? Even if you're in the law field, a Penn State alum, or an investigator, the amount of time you say you spent researching this particular case is odd, to say the least

Are you a lecturer, do you study pedofelia for a living...or did you just want to use it on message boards to sound "informed"?
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I'm a criminal justice major so maybe that's why I took a heated interest in a case that also crossed paths with another passion of mine.

I'm merely pointing out that perhaps you shouldn't take the words of two people out of the dozens who fell over themselves while prosecuting the case, bending over backwards to avoid Paterno and Penn State's involvement.

That might throw their judgement into question over Paterno's supposed innocence. Read "Silent No More", it'll change the way you look at those investigators.

And once again, my questions over what Paterno could have and should have done were not answered.
 
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smokey0625 said:
You lost dude. Sometimes when I lose an argument I just let the other guy know by saying good job. He handed you your butt on a silver platter. I guess a better comeback than the garbage I quoted above from you would have been a "your momma" line and left it at that.
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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but excuse me if I don't bow to the will of someone who's "informed" because they've read reports and or books.

Let me tell you what I've seen with my own two eyes: I've seen victims protect their abuser because the psychological damage inflicted at such an early age that their cognitive development was so warped that they felt a deep, loving connection with their abuser, I've seen families torn apart because the mother of the abused was protecting her own daughters abuser because it happened to be her sister's husband...I've seen mothers protect the boyfriend who murdered their own child because they were so strung out on drugs that it was truly the only thing they really cared about.

My original point is this, people react differently in those situations than the cookie cutter response that was given after my original post...no one truly knows how they'll respond until they're in that situation.

But let me be clear, I AM NOT defending JoPa, period. My point was that I came away with a different perspective after watching the 60 minutes sports interviewbecause of details that word I've I'll just that I was previously unaware.

Never at any point have I defended JoePa's actions or inactions, only that I have a new perspective on the case, that's it. Yet the responses I've received seem to indicate that I somehow am...which could not be further from the truth.
 
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orangeblood79 said:
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but excuse me if I don't bow to the will of someone who's "informed" because they've read reports and or books.

Let me tell you what I've seen with my own two eyes: I've seen victims protect their abuser because the psychological damage inflicted at such an early age that their cognitive development was so warped that they felt a deep, loving connection with their abuser, I've seen families torn apart because the mother of the abused was protecting her own daughters abuser because it happened to be her sister's husband...I've seen mothers protect the boyfriend who murdered their own child because they were so strung out on drugs that it was truly the only thing they really cared about.

My original point is this, people react differently in those situations than the cookie cutter response that was given after my original post...no one truly knows how they'll respond until they're in that situation.

But let me be clear, I AM NOT defending JoPa, period. My point was that I came away with a different perspective after watching the 60 minutes sports interviewbecause of details that word I've I'll just that I was previously unaware.

Never at any point have I defended JoePa's actions or inactions, only that I have a new perspective on the case, that's it. Yet the responses I've received seem to indicate that I somehow am...which could not be further from the truth.
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I understand well how the response to abuse is different for everyone. I recognize that. It's why I never judged McQueary for not running in there and breaking up the assault like others did. I know that reaction to that kind of trauma is not always what we want it to be.

But Paterno didn't see it, but he knew it happened and he knew what Sandusky (probably) was.

And yet kids were still brought to games and Paterno didn't say a word about it to ANYONE including parents or the police.

Look I'm not even saying that Paterno was a part of the cover up though I admit I have my own suspicions there. There isn't enough evidence to say otherwise.

But there is enough to say that Paterno did less than any real decent human being would have done.
 
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Vandy fans all in a fit on 104.5 this am. They were discussing this situation. The reporter who broke this used to be on staff at The Tennessean and is well connected within the courts in Nashville.

Koharsky *(sp), self proclaimed Vandy supporter, said this is a credible reporter.

Went on to say "Franklin is good at throwing out jabs, but tucks and runs when confronted on them." I loved this quote.
 
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volatil said:
Vandy fans all in a fit on 104.5 this am. They were discussing this situation. The reporter who broke this used to be on staff at The Tennessean and is well connected within the courts in Nashville.

Koharsky *(sp), self proclaimed Vandy supporter, said this is a credible reporter.

Went on to say "Franklin is good at throwing out jabs, but tucks and runs when confronted on them." I loved this quote.
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To Kuharsky's credit, he went out of his way to press the reporter on the trustworthiness of the unnamed sources. Vandy fans can be mad, but it's not like this case is receiving anywhere near the national attention that it could.
 
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I don't think this story is going away. There's definitely smoke surrounding James Franklin.

And Bruce Allyn, as a freelance journalist, isn't going to let this story die either. If he was still at the Tennessean, it might be easier for Vandy to squash this story. But he's not really answering to anyone here. He might be the guy who ends up derailing Vandy's entire football program.
 
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Franklin's lawyer speak response of "those allegations are baseless" and let's not "waste anyone's time" is very telling IMO. There is no denying the action happened just that the allegations aren't credible.

If I didn't do something my first reaction is to deny it by emphatically stating "no I didn't do that" or "that's not true." Time to Anchor down a good lawyer.
 
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Orange Bison said:
Franklin's lawyer speak response of "those allegations are baseless" and let's not "waste anyone's time" is very telling IMO. There is no denying the action happened just that the allegations aren't credible.

If I didn't do something my first reaction is to deny it by emphatically stating "no I didn't do that" or "that's not true." Time to Anchor down a good lawyer.
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That's basically what he was doing by saying that the allegations are baseless.
 
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dreVol said:
To Kuharsky's credit, he went out of his way to press the reporter on the trustworthiness of the unnamed sources. Vandy fans can be mad, but it's not like this case is receiving anywhere near the national attention that it could.
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Seriously.

This is one time Vandy Football should be thankful that they are still viewed as Vandy Football.

Imagine something like this at a All Time Top 50 program.
 
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brewferr said:
Yeah, Breitbart is actually VERY reliable. His news agency is the one that uncovered the initial Anthony Weiner scandal. They are usually very on top of things. Staff at Breitbart also runs the Drudge Report in the afternoons.
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He's not reliable. Sorry. We'll have to agree to disagree.
 
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USC supporters are mentioning Franklin and Petrino as possible replacements for Kiffin. I don't think they are sleazy enough, though.
 
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Nerwen Aldarion said:
I understand well how the response to abuse is different for everyone. I recognize that. It's why I never judged McQueary for not running in there and breaking up the assault like others did. I know that reaction to that kind of trauma is not always what we want it to be.

But Paterno didn't see it, but he knew it happened and he knew what Sandusky (probably) was.

And yet kids were still brought to games and Paterno didn't say a word about it to ANYONE including parents or the police.

Look I'm not even saying that Paterno was a part of the cover up though I admit I have my own suspicions there. There isn't enough evidence to say otherwise.

But there is enough to say that Paterno did less than any real decent human being would have done.
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I remember hearing about an investigator who was about to arrest Sandusky in 2000. He died that year from an unknown cause. The PSU guys had him killed!
 
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orangeblood79 said:
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but excuse me if I don't bow to the will of someone who's "informed" because they've read reports and or books.

Let me tell you what I've seen with my own two eyes: I've seen victims protect their abuser because the psychological damage inflicted at such an early age that their cognitive development was so warped that they felt a deep, loving connection with their abuser, I've seen families torn apart because the mother of the abused was protecting her own daughters abuser because it happened to be her sister's husband...I've seen mothers protect the boyfriend who murdered their own child because they were so strung out on drugs that it was truly the only thing they really cared about.

My original point is this, people react differently in those situations than the cookie cutter response that was given after my original post...no one truly knows how they'll respond until they're in that situation.

But let me be clear, I AM NOT defending JoPa, period. My point was that I came away with a different perspective after watching the 60 minutes sports interviewbecause of details that word I've I'll just that I was previously unaware.

Never at any point have I defended JoePa's actions or inactions, only that I have a new perspective on the case, that's it. Yet the responses I've received seem to indicate that I somehow am...which could not be further from the truth.
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Yeah, who listens to people who read books and are actually intelligent. Like you, I prefer to listen to billy bob down down at the Sudden Service about his banjo- playing thoughts on the contemporary issues of the week. Who needs reading?
 
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USC, Texas, and any other top notch program will Not hire Petrino. Won't happen the guy is trash.
 
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smokey0625 said:
Yeah, who listens to people who read books and are actually intelligent. Like you, I prefer to listen to billy bob down down at the Sudden Service about his banjo- playing thoughts on the contemporary issues of the week. Who needs reading?
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Oh my gosh, would you kindly stfu, I have a Masters degree in CJ and believe me, while that most definitely prepares me for a litany of situations in the field, my favorite turn of phrase is "I have my degree, now I'm getting my education."

Point being: college students and/or graduates only have the requisite education to open the door to many of the mid to upper career fields in CJ; it's when they get in the field and experience the things they've studied for so long that they truly understand--THAT was my point.

I've read plenty of scholarly articles and journals over subjects that I don't encounter on a daily basis, doesn't mean I'm going to lecture anyone on those subjects anytime soon.
 
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Nerwen Aldarion said:
I'm a criminal justice major so maybe that's why I took a heated interest in a case that also crossed paths with another passion of mine.

I'm merely pointing out that perhaps you shouldn't take the words of two people out of the dozens who fell over themselves while prosecuting the case, bending over backwards to avoid Paterno and Penn State's involvement.

That might throw their judgement into question over Paterno's supposed innocence. Read "Silent No More", it'll change the way you look at those investigators.

And once again, my questions over what Paterno could have and should have done were not answered.
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TOTALLY understand your passion, it's why I'm in the field I'm in, after spending nearly a decade in pharmaceuticals, I realized I just didn't like it and, thankfully, made a career change.

Question: Are you saying I shouldn't take the word, at all, of the two attorneys who prosecuted Sandusky?

While the book you mentioned seems intriguing to read, CSA is my LEAST favorite subject. It's one thing to read about it, totally different when you see it and the permanent damage it inflicts on everyone involved, first hand.

True story: one of the best men I have ever known (no exaggeration at all) once told me he came within a hair's width of being a murderer because of the damage that the victim's mother's boyfriend did to her 4 year old child--the mother, by the way, was defending HIM not her own daughter.

He left the hospital, where nearly 100 pictures had to be taken to document the extent of her injuries. He said, if not by the grace of God speaking to him on his drive to where the suspect was being held, he would have murdered that man that night.

You can chose to believe the last part, if you like, but my point is this; people who are emotionally caught between the victim(s) and/or perpetrator sometime act in unexpected ways.

Again, I'm not defending the inaction of JoPa, only trying to illustrate this point; before I saw the 60 minutes Sports interview, it was my impression that JoPa made ZERO effort and/or attempts to stop Sandusky. When the attorneys revealed that he went to the president and AD and then left it to them, they divulged a detail that I was previously unaware. The fact that he did, in fact, make an effort was the perspective that I gained.

YES, he could have and should have done more, but he left it in the hands of authorities whom he thought would take appropriate action and they did not. While that makes them MUCH more liable than he, it does not let him off the hook. Paterno's failure to follow up, after letting Spainer and Curley know about what McQueary divulged, especially after Sandusky was still present on campus, is very likely unforgivable.

While I'm not saying I do, after seeing mothers and fathers ignore significantly worse details, I....am not surprised, is perhaps the best way to put it.
 
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