Franklin may be on his way out!

[FullButchVol]

wow. That interview makes me believe even more strongly that the source is someone in Boyd's camp, probably Boyd's attorney.

I'm getting the same feeling.

 

[HottyToddyVol]

"What a garbage dump journalism article. "Might have" been raped? Either you are raped are you are not, and the woman did not report a rape from what I've seen thus far. This is a trumped up show trial created by Kampus Kops rejects from the metro force with nothing to do, a bored prosecutor, the metro cops who hate the local college, and UT fans wishing to throw dirt on their in-state competitor because of UT's bad past reputation by helping trump this up and sending this scummy article to outlets like buzzfeed or Breitbart. Not all sex cases are rape. This is certainly an example of undisciplined stupidity and should not have been going on in the dorm but the woman did not report a rape had occurred and all the reports of "sources" who thought perhaps this and that -- it's all third person b.s. - all "may have" this and that, "maybe" so and so was drunk, maybe not, bla bla. Not how the court system normally works.

While the dorm shouldn't be having drunken carousing, this is a case that is also ridiculous because the woman did not report any problem and at most the coach should have cracked down on allowing drunken stuff going on re team rules. You cannot likely totally prevent people from having sex and getting drunk or call every incident rape unless a woman reports it, based on someone wondering if "maybe" x, y, and z happened -- normally a case occurs when a woman reports a rape.

This is blown up out of proportion by people who hate Vanderbilt with an agenda. Vanderbilt for it's part, should have gotten rid of this idiot player who was running about with a woman who "may have been" drunk. If you think you are going to outlaw sex in a dorm, that is going to be hard to stop. There is nothing that likely happened that was worth jailing these people for, and it's going to wind up probably thrown out of court, although it may be "disturbing" after the media created a story out of thin air. Meanwhile a player who was not even present, like wide receiver Boyd, who wasn't present but was arrested because he wouldn't discuss the case (to punish him for not discussing his teammates) will have their careers ruined and interrupted by the lunatic Nashville police and incompetent student cops - as SEC rivals gloat and spread around baseless garbage to media."

I found this comment interesting in the breitbart article.

It is impossible to report a crime if you don't remember occurring. These football players are innocent until proven guilty but what I have heard from some Vandy students is that there is overwhelming video and photographic evidence in this case.

 

[dreVol]

It is impossible to report a crime if you don't remember occurring. These football players are innocent until proven guilty but what I have heard from some Vandy students is that there is overwhelming video and photographic evidence in this case.

With such a small student population it's not surprising that details like this would start to surface and spread around campus.

 

[Vol8188]

"What a garbage dump journalism article. "Might have" been raped? Either you are raped are you are not, and the woman did not report a rape from what I've seen thus far. This is a trumped up show trial created by Kampus Kops rejects from the metro force with nothing to do, a bored prosecutor, the metro cops who hate the local college, and UT fans wishing to throw dirt on their in-state competitor because of UT's bad past reputation by helping trump this up and sending this scummy article to outlets like buzzfeed or Breitbart. Not all sex cases are rape. This is certainly an example of undisciplined stupidity and should not have been going on in the dorm but the woman did not report a rape had occurred and all the reports of "sources" who thought perhaps this and that -- it's all third person b.s. - all "may have" this and that, "maybe" so and so was drunk, maybe not, bla bla. Not how the court system normally works.

While the dorm shouldn't be having drunken carousing, this is a case that is also ridiculous because the woman did not report any problem and at most the coach should have cracked down on allowing drunken stuff going on re team rules. You cannot likely totally prevent people from having sex and getting drunk or call every incident rape unless a woman reports it, based on someone wondering if "maybe" x, y, and z happened -- normally a case occurs when a woman reports a rape.

This is blown up out of proportion by people who hate Vanderbilt with an agenda. Vanderbilt for it's part, should have gotten rid of this idiot player who was running about with a woman who "may have been" drunk. If you think you are going to outlaw sex in a dorm, that is going to be hard to stop. There is nothing that likely happened that was worth jailing these people for, and it's going to wind up probably thrown out of court, although it may be "disturbing" after the media created a story out of thin air. Meanwhile a player who was not even present, like wide receiver Boyd, who wasn't present but was arrested because he wouldn't discuss the case (to punish him for not discussing his teammates) will have their careers ruined and interrupted by the lunatic Nashville police and incompetent student cops - as SEC rivals gloat and spread around baseless garbage to media."

I found this comment interesting in the breitbart article.

Vandenburg, thanks for chiming. Now enjoy your 10-20 years, loser.

 

[brookfieldvol]

"What a garbage dump journalism article. "Might have" been raped? Either you are raped are you are not, and the woman did not report a rape from what I've seen thus far. This is a trumped up show trial created by Kampus Kops rejects from the metro force with nothing to do, a bored prosecutor, the metro cops who hate the local college, and UT fans wishing to throw dirt on their in-state competitor because of UT's bad past reputation by helping trump this up and sending this scummy article to outlets like buzzfeed or Breitbart. Not all sex cases are rape. This is certainly an example of undisciplined stupidity and should not have been going on in the dorm but the woman did not report a rape had occurred and all the reports of "sources" who thought perhaps this and that -- it's all third person b.s. - all "may have" this and that, "maybe" so and so was drunk, maybe not, bla bla. Not how the court system normally works.

While the dorm shouldn't be having drunken carousing, this is a case that is also ridiculous because the woman did not report any problem and at most the coach should have cracked down on allowing drunken stuff going on re team rules. You cannot likely totally prevent people from having sex and getting drunk or call every incident rape unless a woman reports it, based on someone wondering if "maybe" x, y, and z happened -- normally a case occurs when a woman reports a rape.

This is blown up out of proportion by people who hate Vanderbilt with an agenda. Vanderbilt for it's part, should have gotten rid of this idiot player who was running about with a woman who "may have been" drunk. If you think you are going to outlaw sex in a dorm, that is going to be hard to stop. There is nothing that likely happened that was worth jailing these people for, and it's going to wind up probably thrown out of court, although it may be "disturbing" after the media created a story out of thin air. Meanwhile a player who was not even present, like wide receiver Boyd, who wasn't present but was arrested because he wouldn't discuss the case (to punish him for not discussing his teammates) will have their careers ruined and interrupted by the lunatic Nashville police and incompetent student cops - as SEC rivals gloat and spread around baseless garbage to media."

I found this comment interesting in the breitbart article.

What a croc this is!
First of all the victim had no clue that there had been an "incident" until she saw pics from other students.
Numerous witnesses said that she was so drunk after leaving the Tin Roof that Vandenburg had to carry her to the car.
When you cover up a security camera with a towel, this isn't a "nothing likely happened" scenario.

You are a Grade-A moron.

 

[Aesius]

What a croc this is!
First of all the victim had no clue that there had been an "incident" until she saw pics from other students.
Numerous witnesses said that she was so drunk after leaving the Tin Roof that Vandenburg had to carry her to the car.
When you cover up a security camera with a towel, this isn't a "nothing likely happened" scenario.

You are a Grade-A moron.

Calling someone a moron when you couldn't even be bothered to read far enough to realize he was quoting a comment by someone else?

 

[vol445]

fail.....he aint stoopid

 

[davethevol]

The fact that Franklin has hired a criminal defense lawyer is pretty bad. If the stuff being alleged was baseless, I'm sure Vandy would help him out with legal counsel. This is starting to sound like it did happen.

 

[WoodstockVol]

The fact that Franklin has hired a criminal defense lawyer is pretty bad. If the stuff being alleged was baseless, I'm sure Vandy would help him out with legal counsel. This is starting to sound like it did happen.

This is going to be bad for Franklin and Vanderbilt.

 

[dreVol]

This is going to be bad for Franklin and Vanderbilt.

If there is any truth to the recent allegations, I think we can wave goodbye to the Vandy football program. The BOT won't let the athletic side tarnish the reputation of the academic side.

 

[WoodstockVol]

If there is any truth to the recent allegations, I think we can wave goodbye to the Vandy football program. The BOT won't let the athletic side tarnish the reputation of the academic side.

Vandy will go back to the Vandy that Tennessee fans love to see the team beat 65-0.

 

[RikidyBones]

"What a garbage dump journalism article. "Might have" been raped? Either you are raped are you are not, and the woman did not report a rape from what I've seen thus far. This is a trumped up show trial created by Kampus Kops rejects from the metro force with nothing to do, a bored prosecutor, the metro cops who hate the local college, and UT fans wishing to throw dirt on their in-state competitor because of UT's bad past reputation by helping trump this up and sending this scummy article to outlets like buzzfeed or Breitbart. Not all sex cases are rape. This is certainly an example of undisciplined stupidity and should not have been going on in the dorm but the woman did not report a rape had occurred and all the reports of "sources" who thought perhaps this and that -- it's all third person b.s. - all "may have" this and that, "maybe" so and so was drunk, maybe not, bla bla. Not how the court system normally works.

While the dorm shouldn't be having drunken carousing, this is a case that is also ridiculous because the woman did not report any problem and at most the coach should have cracked down on allowing drunken stuff going on re team rules. You cannot likely totally prevent people from having sex and getting drunk or call every incident rape unless a woman reports it, based on someone wondering if "maybe" x, y, and z happened -- normally a case occurs when a woman reports a rape.

This is blown up out of proportion by people who hate Vanderbilt with an agenda. Vanderbilt for it's part, should have gotten rid of this idiot player who was running about with a woman who "may have been" drunk. If you think you are going to outlaw sex in a dorm, that is going to be hard to stop. There is nothing that likely happened that was worth jailing these people for, and it's going to wind up probably thrown out of court, although it may be "disturbing" after the media created a story out of thin air. Meanwhile a player who was not even present, like wide receiver Boyd, who wasn't present but was arrested because he wouldn't discuss the case (to punish him for not discussing his teammates) will have their careers ruined and interrupted by the lunatic Nashville police and incompetent student cops - as SEC rivals gloat and spread around baseless garbage to media."

I found this comment interesting in the breitbart article.

That's a very interesting quote. It's nothing but wishful thinking as I'm sure that individual does not have access to the evidence. It's a liberal "big brother is watching us" attitude.

 

[big harry]

Maybe worse than Paterno if true.
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no

 

[zjcvols]

no

IF IF IF IF IF the allegations are true, then hell yeah it is. Paterno had one eyewitness story that he turned over to his "superiors". Was he incredibly negligent and immoral by not discussing it with Sandusky and looking into the matter further? Yes. But he never saw video of said action and then told a player to delete evidence.

 

[RikidyBones]

IF IF IF IF IF the allegations are true, then hell yeah it is. Paterno had one eyewitness story that he turned over to his "superiors". Was he incredibly negligent and immoral by not discussing it with Sandusky and looking into the matter further? Yes. But he never saw video of said action and then told a player to delete evidence.

Not a bad point.

 

[volfanhill]

The fact that Franklin has hired a criminal defense lawyer is pretty bad. If the stuff being alleged was baseless, I'm sure Vandy would help him out with legal counsel. This is starting to sound like it did happen.

No it is not. He hired an independant of the university attorney. As did several coaches on staff. As did BP amd staff dealing with the NCAA crap. The universitys attorney is not looking out for your best interests. This is not uncommon in the NCAA

 

[VolinArizona]

Breitbart is very reliable.

Not true at all.

 

[WoodstockVol]

Not true at all.

Depends are where you stand politically. I look at it all the time.

 

[brewferr]

Not true at all.

Yeah, Breitbart is actually VERY reliable. His news agency is the one that uncovered the initial Anthony Weiner scandal. They are usually very on top of things. Staff at Breitbart also runs the Drudge Report in the afternoons.

 

[allvol9]

Well I don't like Franklin at all.....BUT....I really hope this is not true. I just find it hard to believe and really hope a coach no matter who it is....to do this! Not good if true.

 

[Nerwen Aldarion]

IF IF IF IF IF the allegations are true, then hell yeah it is. Paterno had one eyewitness story that he turned over to his "superiors". Was he incredibly negligent and immoral by not discussing it with Sandusky and looking into the matter further? Yes. But he never saw video of said action and then told a player to delete evidence.

The only way this is worse than Paterno is if you believe that Paterno truly didn't know anything for years.

I'm not sure if I can buy that since there were rumors for DECADES about Jerry Sandusky including teammembers jokingly saying "don't drop the soap when Jerry's around"

Paterno was a micro manager, he knew everything that was going on in the football program and the university. Do you truly believe that a investigation into Sandusky that took place PRIOR to the McQueary seeing the kid being raped just happened to slip Paterno's notice?

How about the emails that surfaced between the president of the university and the athletic director where they mentioned Paterno wanting the Sandusky stuff to "go away".

The only reason that this is not worse than Paterno is because of time. Franklin didn't have time to let this be covered up and hidden for years. Paterno did.

 

[Nerwen Aldarion]

Yeah, Breitbart is actually VERY reliable. His news agency is the one that uncovered the initial Anthony Weiner scandal. They are usually very on top of things. Staff at Breitbart also runs the Drudge Report in the afternoons.

Yep, that little internet site that broke that one scandal with one of our presidents and an intern all those years ago before any of the supposed "BIG" media...

Blogs are becoming the journalism that mainstream media is no longer

 

[ob79]

:hi:

How about going to the police?

How about asking his "superiors" why a man who was accused of raping a child was still on campus?

How about asking 'Hey, why is this guy who was seen raping a kid bringing KIDS to Penn State Games'?

Those are things he not only could have done but SHOULD have done. This is simply common sense.

This came directly from the prosecutors who sent Sandusky to jail, it's THEIR WORDS. I'd imagine they'd know a few more details about the case than the common effing sense you so arbitrarily threw out there as if they forgot about something as complex as "hey, ya know what? I think Joe Paterno should've gone to the cops..."

Go watch the piece and get back with me, chief. They no more defend JoPa anymore than anyone involved in the case.

And for the record, nothing I said in my post let anyone off the hook, JoPa included. I did, however, say I came away with a different perspective after watching an interview of THE ACTUAL INVESTIGATORS OF THE CASE.

Instead of getting on your soapbox, go watch the interview and get back with me.

 

[Nerwen Aldarion]

:hi:

This came directly from the prosecutors who sent Sandusky to jail, it's THEIR WORDS. I'd imagine they'd know a few more details about the case than the common effing sense you so arbitrarily threw out there as if they forgot about something as complex as "hey, ya know what? I think Joe Paterno should've gone to the cops..."

Go watch the piece and get back with me, chief. They no more defend JoPa anymore than anyone involved in the case.

And for the record, nothing I said in my post let anyone off the hook, JoPa included. I did, however, say I came away with a different perspective after watching an interview of THE ACTUAL INVESTIGATORS OF THE CASE.

Instead of getting on your soapbox, go watch the interview and get back with me.

You are talking to someone who has read multiple books about this case, seen the interview in question and watched the trial take place. I read the Freeh report too and just about any article I could find on the scandal because I wanted to be informed and I found the whole cover up sickening and disturbing.

How much do you know about the investigation? Did you know it bounced between investigators? That the prosecution and the District Attorney were initially VERY hesitant to prosecute strictly because of the standing with Paterno and the University? How about the fact that one of them was running for office and most of his campaign donors were Penn State Alumni and he didn't want to upset them so he deliberately delayed the investigation.

Nothing they said in the interview vindicated Paterno OR answered the questions that I asked.

Here is what we know.

Paterno knew that Sandusky was raping a kid, that was seen by a credible witness and he believed him. He reported this to his superiors (Good for him) and the superiors did nothing (a disgrace to them)

And then what happened?

Sandusky was still on campus. Still going to games with KIDS. He was on the sidelines and taking kids to out of state games with the Penn State Football team.

So Paterno sees Sandusky with kids using Penn State facilities when he is already aware that Sandusky was seen raping a child.... and what does he do?

He does NOT go to the police.

He does NOT go to his superiors and question their supposed "punishment" of Sandusky.

He does NOT warn parents or anyone else about what Sandusky had done.

Instead he coaches football and lets Sandusky bring young kids to Penn State Games all the while knowing that Sandusky was possibly abusing them.

Even if you do not believe Paterno was guilty of the coverup (which is a VERY tough pill for me to swallow after reading Paterno's management of the Athletic Department and reading other reports about the investigation including other witness accounts) So even if he didn't cover it up at the very least he is guilty of not doing what ANY decent person would do. He stood by knowing that something was very wrong and let it happen.

 

[ob79]

You are talking to someone who has read multiple books about this case, seen the interview in question and watched the trial take place. I read the Freeh report too and just about any article I could find on the scandal because I wanted to be informed and I found the whole cover up sickening and disturbing.

How much do you know about the investigation? Did you know it bounced between investigators? That the prosecution and the District Attorney were initially VERY hesitant to prosecute strictly because of the standing with Paterno and the University? How about the fact that one of them was running for office and most of his campaign donors were Penn State Alumni and he didn't want to upset them so he deliberately delayed the investigation.

Nothing they said in the interview vindicated Paterno OR answered the questions that I asked.

Here is what we know.

Paterno knew that Sandusky was raping a kid, that was seen by a credible witness and he believed him. He reported this to his superiors (Good for him) and the superiors did nothing (a disgrace to them)

And then what happened?

Sandusky was still on campus. Still going to games with KIDS. He was on the sidelines and taking kids to out of state games with the Penn State Football team.

So Paterno sees Sandusky with kids using Penn State facilities when he is already aware that Sandusky was seen raping a child.... and what does he do?

He does NOT go to the police.

He does NOT go to his superiors and question their supposed "punishment" of Sandusky.

He does NOT warn parents or anyone else about what Sandusky had done.

Instead he coaches football and lets Sandusky bring young kids to Penn State Games all the while knowing that Sandusky was possibly abusing them.

Even if you do not believe Paterno was guilty of the coverup (which is a VERY tough pill for me to swallow after reading Paterno's management of the Athletic Department and reading other reports about the investigation including other witness accounts) So even if he didn't cover it up at the very least he is guilty of not doing what ANY decent person would do. He stood by knowing that something was very wrong and let it happen.

So because I came away with a different perspective, after watching said interview, warrants you writing a thesis on the case? I no more defended Paterno than Sandusky. The two attorneys simply divulged details that i was previously unaware.

And if you found the whole thing sickening and disturbing, why read books and the entire Freh report??

I was, however, I intrigued to hear the perspective from the two men who put him behind bars but, excuse me if I avoid reading countless pages detailing explicit details of child rape.

And by the way, what level of obsession do you have to reach in order to devote that much time into such a case? Even if you're in the law field, a Penn State alum, or an investigator, the amount of time you say you spent researching this particular case is odd, to say the least

Are you a lecturer, do you study pedofelia for a living...or did you just want to use it on message boards to sound "informed"?