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docholiday said:
Ok enough. Stay off the streets of north Memphis and put down the crack pipes. Tennessee is going to crush that paper mache front line Memphis puts on the floor.
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This may be overselling a bit. What we have to hope is that Tarik Black hasn't learned anything and that Stokes will have him in foul trouble and out of the game after 5 minutes. That's not entirely unreasonable given what we've seen. However, Black and Goodwin (maybe?) have a chance to be pretty freakin good.

I wish both fanbases could discuss basketball with less rhetoric and more logic.
 
#52
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MemphisCanes said:
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dlw4n said:
This may be overselling a bit. What we have to hope is that Tarik Black hasn't learned anything and that Stokes will have him in foul trouble and out of the game after 5 minutes. That's not entirely unreasonable given what we've seen. However, Black and Goodwin (maybe?) have a chance to be pretty freakin good.

I wish both fanbases could discuss basketball with less rhetoric and more logic.
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Don't forget seniors Stan Simpson and Ferro Hall.

Hall is going to be our foruth option at the post, yet he completely stifled Maymon in their only meeting last season.
 
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Kusotate said:
I agree with what you are saying, but i don't think UT has the weapons this season to slow the Tigers down. You guys still have a SG playing PG without a capable backup. Golden averaged 32mpg because you guys completely stalled offensively when he was on the bench, hopefully Moore or Edwards can help resolve that issue after the Memphis game.
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I'm not sure what you mean..."UT doesn't have the weapons to slow the tigers down"? That'd make sense if our strength was in our guards and in running, but it's the opposite. Our strength and weapons are in playing slower ball, taking care of it, and pounding it down low for high quality shots...we also are going to be one of the best rebounding teams in the SEC, if not country. That's exactly what you need to slow down a team, not sure what you mean?

And no we don't have a SG playing PG, we have a PG playing PG...he's a PG, and is one of the best PGs in the SEC, the fact that he can score shouldn't change that.
 
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Kusotate said:
So what is CCM doing? Though the UM/UT series was great for the fans, the Tigers had nothing to gain from that series and everything to lose.
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CCM is recruiting at a high level, much higher than most before him. It seems like everytime CCM lands a recruit that there is some stipulation as to why he got him. I think it's pretty clear that he is good at what he does. Now, how far will that take UT? I don't know. Now, kind of like Pastner, he needs to succeed.

That's ok- then UT will rightfully end the football series. You can argue about it all you want, but UT won't agree to pay anything for the football games. How come Bowen just decided to sign a deal with OM in basketball and football? $$$$$$. Pastner doesn't want that series either, but you have to get paid, especially when your football program is struggling. If you don't want basketball, then we won't play football. Simple as that. There are quite a few Memphis supporters who are sad to see the UT series go.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
Don't forget seniors Stan Simpson and Ferro Hall.

Hall is going to be our foruth option at the post, yet he completely stifled Maymon in their only meeting last season.
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Relying on Hall and Simpson as post options? Enough said.
Black averaged 5.2 rebounds a game last year. You better hope he averages 15 a game when you play real teams. Pastner has not beaten one yet.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
Don't forget seniors Stan Simpson and Ferro Hall.

Hall is going to be our foruth option at the post, yet he completely stifled Maymon in their only meeting last season.
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Stan Simpson? For your sake, I hope he is better than he has been. I have heard reports that he has practiced better, but we will see. That is like UT saying that Dwight Miller will be huge for us. It is a whole different animal with Maymon and Stokes now both playing. Hall is a good athlete and can defend, but he will lose alot of strength to both of those guys.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Stan Simpson? For your sake, I hope he is better than he has been. I have heard reports that he has practiced better, but we will see. That is like UT saying that Dwight Miller will be huge for us. It is a whole different animal with Maymon and Stokes now both playing. Hall is a good athlete and can defend, but he will lose alot of strength to both of those guys.
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Simpson is the consensus "most improved" player over the summer. We'll see how much those reports are worth, because Simpson was non-existent by the end of last season.

Hall is a defender, that's it. But you can see from both Memphis-UT games last season how much the addition of a body down low helped us out. (Pre-Hall, the game was an OT thriller on a neutral court, post-Hall Memphis embarassed UT; I know that Stokes was not playing that game, but he wouldn't have accounted to an 18 pt deficit).

Now if Simpson, a 4 star JuCo, is finally playing up to his hype and we add a 6'8" 255 McD's AA to the rotation, our frontcourt is anything but paper mache.
 
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docholiday said:
Relying on Hall and Simpson as post options? Enough said.
Black averaged 5.2 rebounds a game last year. You better hope he averages 15 a game when you play real teams. Pastner has not beaten one yet.
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Again, Hall shut down Maymon in last year's meeting, and he'll be seeing the fourth most minutes of our posts by January, I'm guessing.

Black will get to shoulder the rebounding load with Shaq Goodwin, so Black can focus more on swatting shots and less on boxing out.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
Again, Hall shut down Maymon in last year's meeting, and he'll be seeing the fourth most minutes of our posts by January, I'm guessing.

Black will get to shoulder the rebounding load with Shaq Goodwin, so Black can focus more on swatting shots and less on boxing out.
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You keep referring to hall shutting down maymon, did it not occur he possibly had one bad game?

I'm fairly confident I could look at the box score from the first or second game and find someone one of our defenders shut down.
 
#63
#63
Actually yes...

Joe Jackson and Chris Crawford were both "shut down", primarily by a "SG playing PG" and a white boy from Rutledge TN.
 
#64
#64
bleedingTNorange said:
You keep referring to hall shutting down maymon, did it not occur he possibly had one bad game?

I'm fairly confident I could look at the box score from the first or second game and find someone one of our defenders shut down.
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As to your first sentence, yes, he had a VERY bad game. The reason for which was Hall guarding him.

As to your second, you may, but then you'd have to explain why that was pertinent to the conversation.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
Simpson is the consensus "most improved" player over the summer. We'll see how much those reports are worth, because Simpson was non-existent by the end of last season.

Hall is a defender, that's it. But you can see from both Memphis-UT games last season how much the addition of a body down low helped us out. (Pre-Hall, the game was an OT thriller on a neutral court, post-Hall Memphis embarassed UT; I know that Stokes was not playing that game, but he wouldn't have accounted to an 18 pt deficit).

Now if Simpson, a 4 star JuCo, is finally playing up to his hype and we add a 6'8" 255 McD's AA to the rotation, our frontcourt is anything but paper mache.
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We will see. I have read practice reports for years in football and basketball, and quite often, players don't translate the practice to games. That's fair enough, just don't jump on UT fans for saying that we have some promising players as well. Early in the year last year, without Stokes, our team was fragile, especially on the road. We lost to Oakland and College of Charleston. I would not take stock in an 18 point loss at Memphis. I was at the game. Started below average and went downhill quickly. This year's team will be tough. If they can find someone with a consistent outside shot, then they could be real good.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
At that point in the season not sure they're a much better team than this years Tennessee team...but that's a whole different argument.

My point simply being, just because Memphis runs and has athletes doesn't mean we can't win. If we slow it down, take care of the ball, and play to our strengths we have a damn good shot of winning.
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Bet that wasn't in the Mark Nichols' brfg during the visit. And it's going to pretty much be your game plan all year with Maymon and Stokes as anchors. Not being critical, they are your strengths; your backcourt is not.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
As to your first sentence, yes, he had a VERY bad game. The reason for which was Hall guarding him.

As to your second, you may, but then you'd have to explain why that was pertinent to the conversation.
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Because you're basically saying maymon will have a tough go of it just like last year...well ok...using that logic joe Jackson and Crawford will also have a tough time this year.
 
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dixiebullfrog said:
Bet that wasn't in the Mark Nichols' brfg during the visit. And it's going to pretty much be your game plan all year with Maymon and Stokes as anchors. Not being critical, they are your strengths; your backcourt is not.
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Playing slow down ball doesn't mean you don't get shots or score points...once again, for the uneducated crowd, look up our scoring last year, and martins year at MSU...his teams score points, they just do it with fewer shots. He prefers playing a bit slower, to get high quality looks, therefore resulting in a high fg%....

And in regards to what Martin showed the Nichols...it apparently worked.

Our strength is in the post right now, the ball will go there a lot...next year with hubbs, I'm sure the game speeds up a little and is a bit more perimeter orientated.
 
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dixiebullfrog said:
Bet that wasn't in the Mark Nichols' brfg during the visit. And it's going to pretty much be your game plan all year with Maymon and Stokes as anchors. Not being critical, they are your strengths; your backcourt is not.
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That has nothing to do with Austin Nichols. He doesn't play for us right now. Good coaches adapt to their players. First, Martin's motion offense wasn't fully implemented last year. Second, I guarantee you that Martin would love to get Robert Hubbs out in space. Totally irrelevant. When you have Jeronne Maymon and Jarnell Stokes down low, you feed the big guys. Not that difficult.
 
#73
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MemphisCanes said:
They had a tough go of it, and we won by 18. I'll take that this year.
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Against a Tennessee team who didn't have their best player, was just buying into a system under 1st year coach, had a banged up PF, and was playing in Memphis.....

Not sure how that relates to this years matchup?
 
#74
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In fact, if Stokers were to stay another year, it would open up alot for Austin Nichols. He will have his pick of shots- outside or going to the basket.
 
#75
#75
bleedingTNorange said:
And obviosuly the key to beating Tennessee wasn't shutting down maymon, since you won game won and he torched you guys...so what's your point exactly?
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You serious, Clark?

First game Maymon goes 16-17 from the foul line, grabs 20 rebounds and scores 32 points.

2 pt win in double overtime.

Second game, Maymon goes 4-15 from the field, only shoots 3 fts, grabs 9 rebs and 9 pts.

Tigers roll by 18.

Is this your final answer?
 
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