Freedom of speech vs islam.

[gsvol]

I found a pic of three very attractive young ladies, fans of the Chargers, and can't attach it. So, mock me all you want, we are all victims here.

Your two hole cards are always the race card and the vitim card. :loco:

When you sit down at a poker table and look around to see who the turkey is, you're the turkey. :yes:

 

[VolinMichigan]

Why does it matter what religion he is?

 

[gorockytop101]

The siege of Vienna was broken on September 11, 1683, and the moslim army put to flight – effectively ending the second wave of jihad. It would therefore appear that the date of the attacks on New York City and Washington, D.C. in 2001 was not chosen at random.

Europe is again under siege by the forces of islam. America would do well to take heed of what is transpiring in Vienna.

Another Medieval Trial Begins – Austrian Defendant Sabaditsch-Wolff Cites America’s First Amendment | Here's The Right Side Of It

 

[gsvol]

Why does it matter what religion he is?

Why would it not?

 

[gsvol]

Oklahoma Judge Sides With CAIR and Blocks Sharia ban! | Logan's Warning

 

[DinkinFlicka]

Why would it not?

He asked you first.

However, it would be just about pointless to ask you because you allow it to dominate your life, given your opinions on other religions (Abrahamic or no), the basis of your ideologies, and your apparent disdain for anything that isn't white, Christian, or conservative.

 

[DynamiteMcGhee]

Why would it not?

Because it doesn't have to matter what religion he associates himself with. He's just as free as you to practice whatever religion he pleases. All the intentional wrong spellings, cutesy names, and random pictures you have in your arsenal can't deny that.

 

[gsvol]

He asked you first.

However, it would be just about pointless to ask you because you allow it to dominate your life, given your opinions on other religions (Abrahamic or no), the basis of your ideologies, and your apparent disdain for anything that isn't white, Christian, or conservative.

You paint with a broad brush grasshoppa!

Furthermore you give absolutely no evidence that islam doesn't infringe on the freedom of speech that we have established in this country.

Because it doesn't have to matter what religion he associates himself with. He's just as free as you to practice whatever religion he pleases. All the intentional wrong spellings, cutesy names, and random pictures you have in your arsenal can't deny that.

And you can't deny that islamic sharia law being promoted by moslems in this country and in Europe and other places infringes upon first amendment rights!

So you agree with obambi that moslems have the right to jihad??

If so, where do you draw the line about where the religious freedom of one group infringes upon the civil rights of others?

How about moslems who say that islamic sharia law should be the law of the land and in France have over 750 areas already where this is so and even French police don't set foot?

What do you think about the ruling of this Clinton appointed moslem judge who was educated in Ghana??

Federal judge keeps Sharia law restriction out of Oklahoma Constitution | NewsOK.com

What do you think of sharia law trumping Ameican law in courts in the USA??

Sharia in New Jersey: Muslim husband rapes wife, judge sees no sexual assault because Islam forbids wives to refuse sex - Jihad Watch

 

[utvolpj]

And you can't deny that islamic sharia law being promoted by moslems in this country and in Europe and other places infringes upon first amendment rights!

it only does if people choose to subject themselves to it in this country.

So you agree with obambi that moslems have the right to jihad??

link?

 

[DynamiteMcGhee]

And you can't deny that islamic sharia law being promoted by muslims in this country and in Europe and other places infringes upon first amendment rights!

So you agree with obama that muslims have the right to jihad??

If so, where do you draw the line about where the religious freedom of one group infringes upon the civil rights of others?

How about muslims who say that islamic sharia law should be the law of the land and in France have over 750 areas already where this is so and even French police don't set foot?

What do you think about the ruling of this Clinton appointed muslim judge who was educated in Ghana??

Federal judge keeps Sharia law restriction out of Oklahoma Constitution | NewsOK.com

What do you think of sharia law trumping Ameican law in courts in the USA??

Sharia in New Jersey: Muslim husband rapes wife, judge sees no sexual assault because Islam forbids wives to refuse sex - Jihad Watch

Where did I say anything about sharia law or supporting jihad? I was referring to you somehow having a problem with the President freely practicing the religion of his choice, a right that we all have. You dug too deep for stuff that wasn't there.

 

[utvolpj]

Where did I say anything about sharia law or supporting jihad? I was referring to you somehow having a problem with the President freely practicing the religion of his choice, a right that we all have. You dug too deep for stuff that wasn't there.

to some if you don't condemn Islam every chance you get then you're a practicing Muslim that should be deported

 

[NEO]

I don't agree with the deported thing. I do agree that the religion as a whole is not one of peace and that it preaches bloodshed and control.

 

[NEO]

I'll tell you guys a true story. A very good friend of mine who used to be a room mate was dating a girl who was Muslim from Morocco. She had to sneak around with my friend because she said her dad would kill her if he found out. When we joked about the killing part she didn't laugh. I came home one night and they were together on the couch and she was crying. I asked what was wring and she said she was never going to be able to see my friend again because her father was beginning to suspect and she was afraid. She used the words afraid. I never saw her again neither did my friend.

 

[lumberjack4]

I don't agree with the deported thing. I do agree that the religion as a whole is not one of peace and that it preaches bloodshed and control.

Isn't the point of every religion ultimately about control? Its all about telling people what not to do and how to live, instead of letting them have the responsibility to make their own choices.

 

[NEO]

Isn't the point of every religion ultimately about control? Its all about telling people what not to do and how to live, instead of letting them have the responsibility to make their own choices.

I can see your point to a certain degree. I would also say that there is a difference in levels of control. Big difference between don't cheat on your husband because it is a sin as oppose to don't cheat on your husband because he can beat the living crap out of you and kill you if he wishes.

Big difference between go out into the world and tell them about Christ as opposes to go out into the world and kill the Christian and Jew.

By the way, I'm not taking the Koran out of concept and if someone says I am I'm more than happy to turn this thread into a copy and paste of Koran passages straight from the Koran.

 

[lumberjack4]

I'm simply stating that one of your reasons for hating Islam is an integral part of every religion. If its the control you hate, then I hope you are not affiliated with a institution of any faith, because they're all knee deep in control.

I'm curious how would you take care of the Muslim problem?

 

[utvolpj]

By the way, I'm not taking the Koran out of concept and if someone says I am I'm more than happy to turn this thread into a copy and paste of Koran passages straight from the Koran.

so you take the Bible 100% literal with no interpretation at all?

 

[gsvol]

it only does if people choose to subject themselves to it in this country.



link?

So far what you may be true in this country but we only have to look to Europe to see that all are subjected to islamic law in areas that have come to be dominated by moslems.

And then too recall the Christians who were arrested in Deabornistan, Michigan for peacfully passing out Christian tracts and charged with creating a disturbance.

Not only that there is an ongoing case in Oklahoma where nearly 80% of the good people of that state voted to amend the state constitution to specifically not permit sharia law to be introduced into court proceedings and now have a legal battle on their hands by those who do want islamic law to be used in American courts.

Here is something for you to read while I look that up for you, I thought you were super duper using google yourself. Are you trying to say that Barry isn't on record as stating that moslims in America have the right to practice jihad??

Al-Qaeda Cleric Schools Obama on Meaning of “Jihad” | Floyd Reports

Obama’s Creative Interpretation Of ‘Jihad’ | Sweetness & Light

Where did I say anything about sharia law or supporting jihad? I was referring to you somehow having a problem with the President freely practicing the religion of his choice, a right that we all have. You dug too deep for stuff that wasn't there.

I probably read you wrong, that isn't what I thought you were trying to say.

I have no problem with him practicing whatever religion he so chooses, what I have a problem with is his trying to pass himself off a being a Christian if he is indeed a moslem and no one can deny that he is exceptionally moslem friendly when it comes to domestic and foreign policy.

I don't agree with the deported thing. I do agree that the religion as a whole is not one of peace and that it preaches bloodshed and control.

We could cut back drastically on the number of moslems entering this country legally and crack down on and deport those entering illegally.

 

[NEO]

I think if a christian church is ran biblically it does not throw any view into a normal living environment that a normal conservative who is anti-abortion would believe. The ONLY difference is one believes you are saved by grace. I myself am a christian. I have huge, huge issues that I deal with every day. I have friends who are non believers who I would consider live better lives than myself. The only thing I can say is that I try and that I am a better person today than I was 10 years ago. I try to be a better person because it is what I should do as a christian, not because my works get me somewhere. If I was going by works I'd be screwed, really, really screwed.

As far as what to do with the Muslim problem? I honestly don't have a clue. I do not think anything will ever change until the world is gone and it will only get worse.

 

[NEO]

so you take the Bible 100% literal with no interpretation at all?

There are some verses were interpretation is huge. Half of Revelation is that. Some is clear as day. Don't lust. Don't shed innocent bled which King james changed to though shalt not kill. These are pretty clear. It would depend on the verse you are speaking.

Beat your wifes, if I were Muslim, I would take as being pretty clear.

 

[NEO]

i agree with the entering part GSvol just said.

 

[utvolpj]

So far what you may be true in this country but

pretty much stopped right there but appreciate the effort

Here is something for you to read while I look that up for you, I thought you were super duper using google yourself. Are you trying to say that Barry isn't on record as stating that moslims in America have the right to practice jihad??

Al-Qaeda Cleric Schools Obama on Meaning of “Jihad” | Floyd Reports

Obama’s Creative Interpretation Of ‘Jihad’ | Sweetness & Light

those are blogeriffic interpretations on what he said but where did he say that "have the right to practice jihad"?

 

[utvolpj]

There are some verses were interpretation is huge. Half of Revelation is that. Some is clear as day. Don't lust. Don't shed innocent bled which King james changed to though shalt not kill. These are pretty clear. It would depend on the verse you are speaking.

Beat your wifes, if I were Muslim, I would take as being pretty clear.

so Christians can interpret the Bible's meaning as they see fit but Muslims must go with the written word exactly?

 

[NEO]

Look guys, I'm not going to profess to be a saint here. My first business was selling cigarettes and porn to junior high kids at my christian school. I was thrown out of that school. I was a bouncer in a strip club and then became the manager. I am not perfect. I'm not going to get up on any soap box and say I am. I have tried in the past couple of years to become a better person and not place money over people and other crap but I am still just a guy who has issues like everyone else. My faith though leads me to want to become a better person. It challenges me to strive to become a better husband, better father, and better person ... not to go beat my wife or kill a Jew because they disagree with me. That is all I am saying.

 

[utvolpj]

and there are lots of Muslims who feel the same way yet many want to lump them into the group with bombs strapped to their bodies blowing up schools.